Muten Roshi Translation?

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Muten Roshi Translation?

Post by The S » Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:59 pm

What is the exact translation of Muten Roshi? Viz translated it as "Invincible Old Master", but I've also seen it translated as "Invincible Master", and in a completely unrelated book, Roshi was translated as "Zen Master".
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Post by DBW » Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:13 am

Muten Roushi

武天　老師

武 - Warrior, Military, Chivalry, Arms
天 - Heavens, Sky, Imperial

老 - Old man, Old age, Grow old
師 - Expert, Teacher, Master, Army, War

I really don't know how you would translate this into a proper name. I guess "Great Warrior Old Master" or something like that...?
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Post by Ash » Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:50 am

"Invincible" probably comes from a translation of Muten ~>

"Martial Arts equaling Heaven"

Maybe you could go for Old Master of Martial Arts equaling Heaven?
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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:32 am

It definitly has the word "old" in it, because of the "Rô," as in "Rô Kaiôshin," (Old/Elder Kaiôshin) and "Saichôrô," (or The Great Elder).
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Post by Fuujin » Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:09 pm

Oh, about that... In Polish manga it's "Boski Miszcz" - a somewhat ironical misspelling of "Boski Mistrz", which means loosely "Divine Master". It can't be just a random idea of translators, because at some point, someone in a gag scene says something in the lines of "Now I understand why it's "Miszcz", not "Mistrz"...". So, my question is to the resident Japanese experts - where do you think it came from?
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Post by Ash » Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:37 pm

Isn't that just the translation of Sennin?
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Post by Fuujin » Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:22 pm

No, "Kame Sennin" has (pretty obviously) a separate translation - "Zolwi Pustelnik", a literal translation of "Turtle Hermit".
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Post by Tim » Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:12 am

Maybe It's a reference to Goku's title in Journey to the West: "Great Sage, Equal of Heaven".
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