Toyble's AF Anime Project

[Big Momma]

@Big Momma: I think you should whip up a tv sized version, just to hear how it sounds.

Done: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=B6YMFNYW

It's not a FINAL FINAL copy, but the general gist is down. I had trouble with the beginning, I'm not sure if I'll have it just start like that or not, though.

[GenerationII]

Thanks.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

(bah, screw gender XD)

You sound like the people who picked the Japanese voice actors for Dragon Ball Z.

[Scarz]

@Big Momma: I think you should whip up a tv sized version, just to hear how it sounds.

Done: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=B6YMFNYW

It's not a FINAL FINAL copy, but the general gist is down. I had trouble with the beginning, I'm not sure if I'll have it just start like that or not, though.

I like what you've done with the song so far. You're right when you said you've got the main point of it down. I've been listening to it along side the original this morning. Well it looks like we're serious about going forward with the animated intro. I have to read DBAF doujin again to plant some ideas into my head.

GenerationII since you want to direct, you have any brain storming ideas for the intro now that you've heard Big Momma's "Soul Dragon Soul intro (WIP)"?

[GenerationII]

Opens with a slow pan over a deserted landscape. Music starts with two space-pods chrashing violently into the ground. Soon after the crashing, a close-up of Xicor is shown with his mother in the background. This will be during a five scond period of scilence in the begining of the intro.

As soon as the vocals come in the main protagonists (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Uub, Piccolo, Tien, Kuririn, and Shin) are shown doing various physical activities like running and flying all tranforming into the a form that we haven't yet seen them in (example: SSJ4 Gohan). In between a few of these shots will be a couple of battle scenes.

During the first bridge, a quick pan of those in the first battle with Xicor will occur, then a quick pan of Xicor and his mother will occur, then a scene showing the forces of the opposing sides colliding. Battling with Xicor, Gohan will ascend into the sky, transform into his SSJ4 fom and then fly quickly off screen (to the lower right corner) leaving the "camera" focused on the sky. The "camera" will then zoom through the clouds past shenlong and the nimbus cloud, all the while you can see a shadow produced on the botom clouds in the same fashion that can be observed in the opening for Budokai 3.

The Chorus opens with chibi forms of the supporting protagonists (Paihukan, Pan, Dende, The Elder Kai, Mr. Popo, Bulma, Chi Chi, Bulla, and Taipon) along with full size forms of the main protagonists all dancing in unison.

Cut to a few clips of Goku sparring with Paihukan and the main characters in a casual setting, having fun all the while this dance thing interupting that.

End with the Z Warriors (whatever they may be defined as now) standing in that group thing that they do, without Goku, then Goten, who is to the far right, pulls Goku from of screen and places Goku in the center of the

[Scarz]

Alright let me make sure I have everything straight before I take the time to make a rough thumbnail of the intro.

Opens with a slow pan over a deserted landscape. Music starts with two space-pods chrashing violently into the ground. Soon after the crashing, a close-up of Xicor is shown with his mother in the background. This will be during a five scond period of scilence in the begining of the intro.

-5 seconds of panned shot of the desert. (No music)
-At 0:06 sec music starts at 0sec with two space pods crashing into the ground. Soon after revealing Xicor and his mother. Close up shot of Xicor

- 0:12 sec vocals begins @ 0:06sec and

... (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Uub, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Kuririn, and Shin) are shown doing various physical activities like running and flying all tranforming into the a form that we haven't yet seen them in (example: SSJ4 Gohan). In between a few of these shots will be a couple of battle scenes.

- First bride starts, I believe 0:41sec into song were

... a quick pan of those in the first battle with Xicor will occur, then a quick pan of Xicor and his mother will occur, then a scene showing the forces of the opposing sides colliding. Battling with Xicor, Gohan will ascend into the sky, transform into his SSJ4 fom and then fly quickly off screen (to the lower right corner) leaving the "camera" focused on the sky. The "camera" will then zoom through the clouds past shenlong and the nimbus cloud, all the while you can see a shadow produced on the botom clouds in the same fashion that can be observed in the opening for Budokai 3.

And here's where you lost me...

The Chorus opens with chibi forms of the supporting protagonists (Paihukan, Pan, Dende, The Elder Kai, Mr. Popo, Bulma, Chi Chi, Bulla, and Taipon) along with full size forms of the main protagonists all dancing in unison.

I've tried to pin point exactly when this dance scene takes place during the song but it doesn't seem to fit. Literally, how many seconds in does this scene takes place exactly? And just to voice my opinion here, the dancing chibis sounds a tad bit out place for this type of intro. I understand having something humorous during the intro, after all it is Dragonball, but perhaps something better is needed. For example, remember in those old intros Bulma was being being chased by a dinosaur in head-cha-la, then years later during the 10th Jump special they showed Bulma, Chichi, and Videl being chased by the same dinosaur.

Again that's just my opinion and we haven't yet actually story boarded anything so at this point anything goes.

[GenerationII]

Okay, I knew that one would throw you a little. First of all, the first bridge starts out at 28 seconds into the song, and the chorus starts off at 41 seconds. I can understand your initial disdain for the chibi dancing thing, but if done correctly, it'll look less corny, and more epic along with the other stuff. I'll make a mock up out of preexisting footage to show what I mean. Just to help you out a bit.

[macho_man]

Watch to this, entirely and patiently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5wIdECixLU
Just focus on the edited frames... is there anyone here able to do something similar, or better?

[Scarz]

Okay, I knew that one would throw you a little. First of all, the first bridge starts out at 28 seconds into the song, and the chorus starts off at 41 seconds. I can understand your initial disdain for the chibi dancing thing, but if done correctly, it'll look less corny, and more epic along with the other stuff. I'll make a mock up out of preexisting footage to show what I mean. Just to help you out a bit.

Okay that makes a lot more since to me now. The mock would also be very helpful.

Watch to this, entirely and patiently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5wIdECixLU
Just focus on the edited frames... is there anyone here able to do something similar, or better?

I watched, and it's bettered muted (can't stand that movie trailer music). Could anyone best that? Only time will tell, right? We haven't even really started, unless you mean you're looking for a good editor?

[GenerationII]

I'd like to say that I'm a pretty decent editor, but my goal isn't to edit something out of preexisting footage, it's to create something entirely new.

EDIT: Here's that Mock Up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivdn0pWtC9s

[Scarz]

Not going to lie this... This was a pretty horrifying image. But I did get it.


Moving on to the mock up video, it was good and it gave me a pretty good idea what the intro would turn out like. But I have one suggestion and that is, once again, the chibis. In fact, I like the idea of the chibi Paihukan, Pan, Dende, The Elder Kai, Mr. Popo, Bulma, Chi Chi, Bulma, and Taipon doing a dance of some sort but along side the main protagonists like Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta (especially him) dancing together? Wouldn't that be odd and comical to sense it would be out place? Vegeta... Dancing? Goku and the others I can understand but their not even in chibi form themselves. Also we have six scenes of the chibis dancing. Maybe a bit much?

Once we get into more details on the intro I can draw some Character design sheets. I know that the DBAF comic already has the character visuals but we need to see them from all sides and angles. Not to mention the colors schemes. For example:

[GenerationII]

okay, so we just leave in the supporting protagonists. That's cool. And the only reason that there are so many scenes of the chi bi dance ting is because the video wasn't quite long enough. So, let's see what you can do.

Character design sheets would be cool. For the princess Lila character, you should use the same coloring as the supreme Kai's first appearance back in the Boo saga. Uhhh... I don't know for Xicor. All other characters can be figured out from the past.

This video has some pretty good color schemes, as well as multiple angles on SSJ5 Goku and Xicor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqvYxfjajbk

[Big Momma]

I always pictured Lila's skin being a more pinkish tone.

[GenerationII]

Pink's good too!

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

The chibi dancing thing would be funny, but it just wouldn't fit the tone of the series.

[Scarz]

I always pictured Lila's skin being a more pinkish tone.

I can draw the same characters and copy the drawing and give it a different color every time. That's how it's usually done with concept art:

Example from Jak and Daxter early concept art:

The chibi dancing thing would be funny, but it just wouldn't fit the tone of the series.

When we do the story board and the dancing chibis are too out of place for the intro, it can always be edited out. I have an idea myself what can be filled in that part of the video, but I want to see how this goes first before I go off and add my own scenes.

Speaking of story boards, yes I did agree to jump on it later but GenerationII, you have to go into some serious details about each scene in the intro. I understand you did a mock up video, which was extremely helpful, but now it's time to get into the nitty gritty details.

Just do it the same way you described the first 5 seconds of the opening: "Opens with a slow pan over a deserted landscape. Music starts with two space-pods chrashing violently into the ground. Soon after the crashing, a close-up of Xicor is shown with his mother in the background. This will be during a five scond period of scilence in the begining of the intro."

Now you need to do that with every thing! At least give us a general idea. Like for instance when you said ... (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Uub, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Kuririn, and Shin) are shown doing various physical activities like running and flying all tranforming into the a form that we haven't yet seen them in (example: SSJ4 Gohan). In between a few of these shots will be a couple of battle scenes.

What kind of things are they're doing? Yes you said physical activities but you need go a little bit more in depth. For example, Vegeta is training in the gravity room, Gohan and Trunks are flying along side each other towards the camera, Piccolo standing on what looks like a peak then suddenly Cell and Freeza shows up and Piccolo goes into a fight stance, Tenshinhan is training his students. Etc.

Details like that are needed for the story board.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUrnAzmxbJQ

Thanks, to be honest I had no idea Xicor costume was green. I might have to do alternative colors because the green color scheme seems a little bit bland. Am I the only one who thinks so?

[GenerationII]

Okay, wasn't sure how much artistic license you wanted to take. I will post a revised edition of the description with haste. also, I agree that the green color scheme on Xicor is a little bland.

[Scarz]

Okay, wasn't sure how much artistic license you wanted to take.

Sorry, I really hope it didn't seem as if I was trying to take over this project. I was just giving examples. Unless you meant that as a good thing? I'm not entirely sure.

[Big Momma]

I'm sure he meant in a good way. You seem like you've got a full grasp of the process, Scarz. And, at least the way it looked to me, you didn't seem at all like you were trying to be controlling. Just trying to help.

[GenerationII]

I meant it in a good way. Just because I'm directing, doesn't mean that I'm God of DBAF. You guys have a say too.

Hopefully, this is detailed enough for you no, if not, feel free to ask questions

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Opens with a slow pan over a deserted landscape. Music starts with two space-pods chrashing violently into the ground. Soon after the crashing, a close-up of Xicor is shown with his mother in the background. This will be during a five scond period of scilence in the begining of the intro.

As soon as the vocals come in Goku is seen training with Paihukan. The camera then zooms in on just goku to show him transforming into SSJ5 and then fly off scree. Cut to Vegeta. Vegeta is seen in a hella intense training session. He is in the Capsule Corop. gravity room doing one fingered push-ups as a SSJ4. The lighting is red. The camera zooms in on his head, neck, and shoulders area. The camera is zoomed enough to see the beads of sweat falling off of his face. The camera follows a single bead and observes it's falling on splashing to the ground below. Cut to Gohan. Gohan is seen studiously working in his office. Cut to Gohan in battle against Xicor. Gohan is seen transforming into ssj4, and then charging off screen. Cut to Trunks. Trunks is shown jumping out of the CC building window, going SSJ, and then meeting Goten up in the sky, above the clouds. Goten pushes a button, transforms into The Great Saiyaman 3, and the both fly off bottom right. Cut to Uub. Uub is show for only a couple of seconds, transforming into Papayaman and then charging the camera much in the same manner shown in the Mock Up. Cut to Piccolo. Piccolo is floating and meditating in front of a large waterfall of lava. He opens his eyes sharply. Cut to Piccolo throwing Cell and Frieza like rag-dolls into a nearby mountain. Cut to Tien. Tien is shown for a brief moment standing with a group of younglings as he stare intently toward the upper right of the screen, much in the same fashion as shown in his appearance in the doujinshi. Cut to Krillinn. Krillin is shown diving into the water at Kame house. He is laughing. As he comes out of the water, he brushes his longish, saltandpepper hair with his hands and the six dots on his head are briefly revealed. Cut to Shin. Shin is shown yelling toward the camera(presuming the Z Sword) with his hands outstretched.

During the first bridge, a quick pan of SSJ4 Gohan, SSJ4 Vegeta, Shin, and Trunks all standing in a line staring angrily off camera (presumably at XIcor) while Goten lays half dead near their feet. Cut to a quick pan of Xicor and Lila in the same fashion, but from the opposite angle and side.Cut to a couple very quick battle scenes between Vegeta & Xicor, Gohan & Xicor, Trunks & Xicor, and Shin and Xicor. Then at clash between SSJ5 Goku & Xicor much in the same fashion as the "clash" between Goku and Broly in the Mock Up. While Battling with Xicor, The camera will track around the fight as Gohan ascend into the sky, transforms into his SSJ4 form, and then flies quickly off screen (to the lower right corner) leaving the "camera" focused on the sky. The "camera" will then zoom through the clouds past shenlong (on the right) and the nimbus cloud (on the right), all the while you can see a shadow produced on the bottom (bottom of camera) clouds in the same fashion that can be observed in the opening for Budokai 3.

The Chorus opens with chibi forms of the supporting protagonists (Paihukan, Pan, Dende, The Elder Kai, Mr. Popo, Bulma, Chi Chi, Bulla, and Taipon) all dancing in unison.

Cut to a few clips of Goku sparring with Paihukan and the main characters in a casual setting, having fun all the while this dance thing interrupting that.

End with the Z Warriors (whatever they may be defined as now) standing in that group thing that they do, without Goku, then Goten, who is to the far right, pulls Goku from of screen and places Goku in the center of the group, shoving Vegeta out of the way. Goku transforms into SSJ4, and cut.