Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Scarz]

*Don't say anything bad, don't say anything stupid, don't say anything offensives.... Better yet just don't say anything at all.*

[jjgp1112]

I can't help but think that the last panel with Trunks in it was copied from a scene in Movie 9. I still don't have my main computer, so no screencap, but it was the scene at the beginning where Krillin thinks he actually has a chance in the tournament, only to find Trunks looking down from a cliff.

[MajinVejitaXV]

I can't help but think that the last panel with Trunks in it was copied from a scene in Movie 9. I still don't have my main computer, so no screencap, but it was the scene at the beginning where Krillin thinks he actually has a chance in the tournament, only to find Trunks looking down from a cliff.

Agreed, I know the exact scene you're talking about.

So far this is pretty disappointing. My interest in DBM has basically dwindled to nothing. It was an interesting idea, but much like a number of on-going projects it seems like no real outline was made and now they're just making it up as they go along. Too bad.

[Maphisto86]

Well I doubt they are pulling a "Dr. Jones looking for the Ark" method, making it up as they go. There is a rough plan but obviously Salagir and c.o. have changed their minds a lot. These "specials" are also pretty much filler so that Gogeta Jr can catch up on artwork and to try to show other artist's work.

[Xyex]

Yeah...no you didn't you said in order to criticize work you need to make something 10x better. Which isn't true even if you can't produce something 10x better you can still criticize someones work because you notice a low quality product.

Xyex's point is that you're not criticising, you're attacking. If it's bad, why was it bad? What would you have done or at least prefer to have seen done differently? That's criticism.

I'm fully aware of the point and I agree but it's the phrasing that's stupid. Xeyx didn't flat out say that. He claimed you need to be able to do better to be able to criticize peoples work which is just a point Devientarts use to stop any and all criticism on their work.

No, I didn't. I said that you can't bash someone elses work without being able to do much better. I never said you could provide constructive criticism. Constructive criticism is what any good (as in, actually cares to improve) artist/write/whatever wants. Just attacking something, complaining about how it's 'awful' or 'sucks' or whatever, without providing any kind of thoughts for improvement, is simply disrespectful, rude, and asshole-y. It's a waste of the poster's time, a waste of the artists time, and a waste of time for everyone forced to read it because it conveys absolutely nothing of value.

If he saw #16 to his left, then why is he towards his right in the next panel?

....because he turned around?

I can't help but think that the last panel with Trunks in it was copied from a scene in Movie 9. I still don't have my main computer, so no screencap, but it was the scene at the beginning where Krillin thinks he actually has a chance in the tournament, only to find Trunks looking down from a cliff.

Agreed, I know the exact scene you're talking about.

So far this is pretty disappointing. My interest in DBM has basically dwindled to nothing. It was an interesting idea, but much like a number of on-going projects it seems like no real outline was made and now they're just making it up as they go along. Too bad.

Yeah, because we all know Toriyama had everything outlined years in advance.

They obviously had an outline of events going into this. But it was started two years ago, things change, hence SSJ2 Vegetto, hence the edits to the first 10 pages and their reposting.

And these special chapters are not made by Salagir and Gogeta Jr. and I'm not even entirely sure if Salagir provides the scripts for them or if the artist just comes up with that themselves, designed to fit within some simple framework given to them by Salagir.

[MajinVejitaXV]

Yeah, because we all know Toriyama had everything outlined years in advance.

No offense, but are you a member of the creative team on this project? It seems every time someone says anything negative, you take it personally and jump in with a comment like this. And yes, I made my comment knowing full well that someone would undoubtedly jump in with the "Well, Toriyama improvised most of the series" card. Difference is, Toriyama knew how to improvise obviously, whereas the DBM team doesn't seem as gifted in that department. Is it horrible? No, but I'd put it more akin to Toei's filler improvisation than Toriyama's manga improvisation.

Try not to get so bent out of shape there, bud.

[Big Momma]

I'm fully aware of the point and I agree but it's the phrasing that's stupid. Xeyx didn't flat out say that. He claimed you need to be able to do better to be able to criticize peoples work which is just a point Devientarts use to stop any and all criticism on their work.

I don't think he's saying not to criticize it if you can't do better. I think he means just don't flat out bash someone's work if you yourself can't do a better job...and I agree. I'm not saying that's you were doing, I'm just saying I understand his point.

[Metalwario64]

....because he turned around?

I was stating that because it wasn't made clear at all in the art.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Better than the previous page, but still pretty bad. I mean, look at #16's face.

[Godo]

....because he turned around?

I was stating that because it wasn't made clear at all in the art.

Yeah, agreed. Even in "How to draw manga", written and drawn by Akira Toriyama and his assistant, they state how important it is to adjust the drawings in the panels to avoid confusion about the sides.
That panel was not that well executed, and you shouldn't have to concentrate to find out what's going on either.
Maybe it's obvious for you Xyex, but you are they only one that got it, and that's evidence enough that it wasn't a success drawing that panel in that way.
We all are manga readers here, and myself, I have read/am reading around 20 titles, and never ever have I seen such an awkward panel being used.
If Gothax didn't rush it, he would have noticed the error. He says so even himself that it was rushed in the comments section on DB:M.
At least I know that if I get a job like that, I try to stay artistically on the same level as the main comic, or even higher. But I guess that it's hard to do since Gogeta Jr. has very good drawings and is talented in Toriyama's style.

[Kaboom]

What is this slop?

Judging by panel 2 compared to the others, it seems obvious that he can't draw on his own very well at all. Every shot of Trunks in this and the previous comic are practically straight-up traced.

I don't know if he's just rushing or what. Maybe he does do a little better outside of a comic format. But with this, as it is... I'd rather we go back to Broly-wanking, because at least Gogeta Jr keeps his artwork consistently good.

... Yes, I can do better. You all already know I can. >_>

[Supreme Stephan]

[Xyex]

Yeah, because we all know Toriyama had everything outlined years in advance.

No offense, but are you a member of the creative team on this project? It seems every time someone says anything negative, you take it personally and jump in with a comment like this. And yes, I made my comment knowing full well that someone would undoubtedly jump in with the "Well, Toriyama improvised most of the series" card. Difference is, Toriyama knew how to improvise obviously, whereas the DBM team doesn't seem as gifted in that department. Is it horrible? No, but I'd put it more akin to Toei's filler improvisation than Toriyama's manga improvisation.

Try not to get so bent out of shape there, bud.

I'm not getting bent out of shape, I just think it's a bit of a ridiculous comment to make on a fan manga based on Dragonball considering Toriyama made up everything as he went along. And I really can't see where you think this was poorly improvised. The only place I can tell any improvisation occurred was with SSJ2 Vegetto and the re-done opening.

[Xyex]

Yeah, because we all know Toriyama had everything outlined years in advance.

No offense, but are you a member of the creative team on this project? It seems every time someone says anything negative, you take it personally and jump in with a comment like this. And yes, I made my comment knowing full well that someone would undoubtedly jump in with the "Well, Toriyama improvised most of the series" card. Difference is, Toriyama knew how to improvise obviously, whereas the DBM team doesn't seem as gifted in that department. Is it horrible? No, but I'd put it more akin to Toei's filler improvisation than Toriyama's manga improvisation.

Try not to get so bent out of shape there, bud.

I'm not getting bent out of shape, I just think it's a bit of a ridiculous comment to make on a fan manga based on Dragonball considering Toriyama made up everything as he went along. And I really can't see where you think this was poorly improvised. The only place I can tell any improvisation occurred was with SSJ2 Vegetto and the re-done opening.

... Yes, I can do better. You all already know I can. >_>

I wont know until you finish my fanarts.

[Scarz]

Oh god's sake... This artist destroying my Trunks fantasies. Okay, I just need concentrate really heard and pretend it's the best ertotic non traced future Trunks art I've ever seen. NNNNGGGGGGGHHHH! Ugh, It's not working.

Going off topic for a sec, I've sent Salagir an email a couple of days ago, asking what takes to be a guest artists on DBM. Haven't received an answer yet but I'll be waiting patiently.

[Godo]

Guys, I made my own ending of the Broly vs. Vegetto fight!



All hail the mighty booger who is the one of Vegetto's!

[Dayspring]

@Godo: The plausibility of that comic made me chuckle.

[verto]

Guys, I made my own ending of the Broly vs. Vegetto fight!

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All hail the mighty booger who is the one of Vegetto's!

These were entertaining at first, now theres just WAAAAY too many...
I understand you guys don't like Broly, but c'mon, its a god damn fan manga about ALTERNATE UNIVERSES. In one of those universes Kuririn beat Frieza, thats way worse than this....

[Kaboom]

These were entertaining at first, now theres just WAAAAY too many...
I understand you guys don't like Broly, but c'mon, its a god damn fan manga about ALTERNATE UNIVERSES. In one of those universes Kuririn beat Freeza, thats way worse than this....

Actually, that's pretty awesome because it takes a usually under-powered, often-pushed-to-the-background character like Kuririn and turned him into something really potent and powerful.

Broly is the opposite. We've been getting 'BROLY BROLY BROLY HE GUYS LOOK AT BROLY HE'S AWESOME BROLY BROLY BROLY BROLY' thrown at us far too much and too often from a wide range of sources, both official and non. A lot of folks are already outright sick of the character in general; and yet this comic, which is super-cool and creative in so many other ways, decides to waste its own potential by god-modding him and continuing the overexposure.

I certainly don't mean any offense or personal insult to DBM's creative team. But it just seems like Broly-wanking is a big waste of their time and talent.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

These were entertaining at first, now theres just WAAAAY too many...
I understand you guys don't like Broly, but c'mon, its a god damn fan manga about ALTERNATE UNIVERSES. In one of those universes Kuririn beat Freeza, thats way worse than this....

Actually, that's pretty awesome because it takes a usually under-powered, often-pushed-to-the-background character like Kuririn and turned him into something really potent and powerful.

Broly is the opposite. We've been getting 'BROLY BROLY BROLY HE GUYS LOOK AT BROLY HE'S AWESOME BROLY BROLY BROLY BROLY' thrown at us far too much and too often from a wide range of sources, both official and non. A lot of folks are already outright sick of the character in general; and yet this comic, which is super-cool and creative in so many other ways, decides to waste its own potential by god-modding him and continuing the overexposure.

I certainly don't mean any offense or personal insult to DBM's creative team. But it just seems like Broly-wanking is a big waste of their time and talent.

They're just giving the fans what they want, and that's Broly.



May not be us fans here on the Daizex forums, but some fans are actually like: "BROLY BROLY BROLY HE GUYS LOOK AT BROLY HE'S AWESOME BROLY BROLY BROLY BROLY"