Xyex wrote:
No insult, just stating facts.
If it's fact, give me a source other than from yourself. Otherwise, it's still your opinion, no matter how you twist and turn it.
Xyex wrote:
What is "right" is a matter of opinion, however. They have a story they want to tell, they're telling it the way they want to tell it, and if you don't like it then don't read it.
That's one phrase I have heard a lot in this thread. And I have one thing to say: It's really stupid.
There are good parts with DB:M. What the main issue for me is the Broly vs. Vegetto fight. I don't care about the characters fighting per se, but that it's poorly executed.
Every man is a critic, and they like to criticize things. It's a part of our nature. I don't get how you haven't got this yet in your adult life, and also that you haven't got the fact that telling people phrases like the one in bold above won't do jack shit to help in the conversation.
Xyex wrote:
And it is.
There are two parts we have to take into consideration: The art, and the story.
The art itself is on a high level, and it hasn't deteriorated or anything. It has even improved.
And then we have the story. Whilst it doesn't have much to offer when it comes to drama, it's an interesting story worth to follow. But the problem is that I myself have a problem with the story that is going on for the moment.
That's completely normal for a fan. Some people here own lots of releases of the anime, but can confess that they don't like a part of it at all (DBGT, Garlic Jr. Arc ect.). This is normal.
Xyex wrote:
No, no one makes them do it. They do it for fun. For themselves. Everyone else is just along for the ride. And the free promotion thing is inconsequential. The chances of DBM itself landing them anything other than (angry) fans is quite small.
1 fan leads to two fans, and two to four, and so on. Many fans = money. Just look at the Youtube concept. They make partners with a person, and both make money. That's how many things work on the Internet so far.
Also, they have sold the minicomics at the Japan Convention, and they have been interviewed several times.
They are clearly trying to get somewhere with this, and it wouldn't be odd if you are a good artist. Don't be naive.
Xyex wrote:
Alternate Universes. Learn about them.
That's your answer to that statement?
What a huge disappointment. If you really had nothing to say to my comment, but to state that I don't know what alternate Universes are (really?), you could just have said nothing at all.
You are asking a grown man sitting on a forum where they discuss a kids manga to learn about Alternate Universes?
Xyex wrote:
I have nothing against criticism or critique where it helps one improve. What I do not like, and what I have seen almost nothing of for many pages, is incessant and pointless whining and bitching that Salagir's doing his own story and not making DBM go the way the want it to, and because Salagir's emphasizing a character they don't like. Well, tough shit, go make your own story then. Posting here whining is a waste of their time, your time, and mine.
Yet, as an artist one should take all criticism to one's heart, even though it doesn't have any ground to stand on. Why? Because of that some people are not good at expressing themselves.
And you tell people that they should make their own story, when all they are whining about is a segment of the whole manga. They really don't like
one segment, of all the other segments. Of course they are going to tell it in a forum, especially in a thread about said manga!
Xyex wrote:
I've never seen anything quite so ridiculous as this statement. ALL of my Fanfiction, all 800,000+ words of it, is done pretty much entirely for my own amusement. I use it as a means of improving my writing skills, but by and large it's just a way for me to kick back and have fun. I only post them on-line so that others can enjoy them as well, if they want, and to look for any constructive input for improvement someone might have to offer. But everyone else's enjoyment is quite secondary to my own. Clearly, something as long, and long running, as DBM is not done for the praise, but just because they feel like it, and it's only offered to others because, well, why the fuck not?
If you would let your guard down, you would understand why my statement wasn't that ridiculous to begin with, and also why your statement is even more ridiculous.
You compare Salagir and Gogeta Jr.'s work with your own, as if you were people with the same reasons.
I don't give a damn about your own reasons why
you write your fanfiction, to be frank, since it's irrelevant to why Gogeta Jr. and Salagir do their work.
There are plenty of other people out there that make artistic work just to be praised, and throw a fit when they are criticized. Even the great ones do sometimes, in passive aggressive statements.
You alone can't represent the overall base of fanfiction authors, yet you type as if you can do it.
That's why I noted that you were arrogant. You have the overall same tone in your posts in this thread.
Xyex wrote:
I couldn't care less about the people who are actually offering their opinions. My issue is with the rest who are basically doing nothing but pointlessly whining that Salagir isn't catering DBM to them,
Well, then you can actually quote people and ask them why they think what they do instead. We have that magic function in this forum. If someone says "DB:M is shit" then you can ask why. I use to do that sometimes on this forum, and it's a much more effective way to make people speak out properly than saying that they aren't capable to take 5 seconds to think, and then magically having the same opinion as you have.
Xyex wrote:
or that Salagir and Gogeta Jr. are offering us something to fill what could otherwise have been an empty gap of nothing while they work further ahead with the story pages.
But didn't you just say that they were doing this for fun, and that fanfiction writers like to share, but that the fans come secondary? They do it for the fans, at least according to your quote, and yet you claim the opposite just a couple of quotes above.
Xyex wrote:
Don't like what's happening with/in DBM? That's fine. Want to express that opinion? Sure, go ahead. But there's a fine line between criticism and bitching, and quite a few people crossed it a long time ago.
If that's the sole problem, I think that typing that quote out for itself would have done it.
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