Dragon Ball Fantasies, anyone?

[Scarz]

I sometimes just wish I could fly on a goddamn cloud everywhere and sometimes imagine it.

But I'm far too evil to sit on Kinto'un.

Kinto'un wouldn't even come near me if I called.

[caejones]

I sometimes just wish I could fly on a goddamn cloud everywhere and sometimes imagine it.

But I'm far too evil to sit on Kinto'un.

I avoid imagining that simply because I know I'd just fall through and cry because of it.

[BobZ]

Ah, yes, Kinto-un - the ultimate test to decide whether you're pure hearted or not. I'd love to try it out.

[SilverPlaqueVII]

Easily, I almost show my true strength like Gohan to my friends at school.

[Xyex]

I sometimes just wish I could fly on a goddamn cloud everywhere and sometimes imagine it.

But I'm far too evil to sit on Kinto'un.

I could probably sit on.... *looks at avatar* Uh, er, yeah... never mind.

[DBZ_1997]

When Gohan was teaching Videl how to fly, I really wanted it to be real, if that counts.

Can't tell you how many times i tried to fly coz of that scene.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Well, Dragon Ball fantasies...I've gone through the whole she-bang. Stuff like what-if fights and what happened during time-skipsI've had one where I imagined what it would be like if Goku and Vegeta actually got to fight at the 25th Tenka'ichi Budokai. There was one detailing Son Goku's adventures in the three years before the 22nd Budokai. Various...um..."scenarios" between me and Bulma/Videl/Lunch/Chi-Chi. Adding bits onto existing battles like Yamcha vs. Tenshinhan & SSJ Goku vs. Cell. Twisting elements of the story. Etc, etc.

The power of imagination is an amazing thing, because you can literally think up anything.

[Big Momma]

Sometimes I imagine how sweet it would be if Brolli were to just burst through the wall, grab me by the face, and slam me through a wall like he did to Gohan in movie 8. Then, from the rubble, I would explode in a burst of power, blowing away all the rubble, then give Brolli the pounding of his life....all in a Public place, of course. Because if no one sees it,then what's the point?

[Daimo-Rukiri]

Ah, yes, Kinto-un - the ultimate test to decide whether you're pure hearted or not. I'd love to try it out.

Well I doubt anyone would pass, because of the internet and you know what..

[Piccolo Daimao]

Ah, yes, Kinto-un - the ultimate test to decide whether you're pure hearted or not. I'd love to try it out.

Well I doubt anyone would pass, because of the internet and you know what..

How can anyone ever really tell if they're pure-hearted or not (well, unless they've murdered someone or something like that)? I mean, it's about interpretation--how you interpret if someone's nature or actions are good or not? Does having sexual thoughts make you an impure person? In that case, practically everyone who has reached puberty would be considered unable to ride Kinto'un, and that should include Goku as well.

And how about Goku pursuing Tambourine, hoping for a revenge attack? Would the "Two wrongs do not make a right" apply here? Or because he's a bad guy, it doesn't? And some people believe that killing anyone is a sin--and seeing as how Goku has killed loads of people in Dragon Ball, does that make him impure? Or because, in some opinions, children are incapable of sinning, we can let that go?

Or maybe I'm thinking too hard about something Toriyama never intended me to. Meh.

[Rocketman]

Goku is mentally deficient, and therefore not responsible for his actions.

Except in Texas.

[Hero 004]

If I was to string together all of my imaginary scenes that I thought up through middle school and the begnning of high school, I'd have a series as long as the three anime runs put together.

[Hellspawn28]

In the 5th grade I would day dream about me going SSJ3 in combat. I had some fantasies of DBZ doing crossovers with other series too.

[ajf1515]

Goku is mentally deficient, and therefore not responsible for his actions.

Except in Texas.

Maybe a little at the beginning of Dragonball but that just added to his naivety, but then again what child isn't?? he then soon become mentally competent as he grew towards the end of DB and through the rest of the story, but one thing about Goku never changed and that was his Pure Heart, and that's what makes him special, IMO.

Also Goku killed but only because he had to, it's not wrong, it's more in the gray area, but still his heart remained pure because of his intent and the reason of why he did it, he didn't do it because it was wrong or cuz he wanted to, he did it cuz he had to.

It's just like if someone had someone you love at gun point and said if you don't shoot me in the next five seconds I will kill the person you love. Will you kill them in order to save the one you love?? if you do and then kill that person does that make you impure or evil?? of course not, you did what you had to do in order to save the one you love, in Goku's case it was to protect the innocent and to save countless lives, you've got to take into account the situation that someone's put in and then speculate, if Goku hadn't killed all those he killed those that he killed would of killed a lot more. Goku knew exactly what he was doing and he did what he had to do while still remaining pure.

[Hellspawn28]

Back in 2000 or so, I wanted to see a Dragon Ball Z movie on the big screen. I remember reading that Funi will be releaseing one of the DBZ movies on the big screen back in 2000 or 2001. Too bad it never happen, and the only thing close to that is back in 2006 with Fusion reborn in theathers with a small screening.

[LilKokuLink]

It's just like if someone had someone you love at gun point and said if you don't shoot me in the next five seconds I will kill the person you love. Will you kill them in order to save the one you love?? if you do and then kill that person does that make you impure or evil?? of course not, you did what you had to do in order to save the one you love, in Goku's case it was to protect the innocent and to save countless lives, you've got to take into account the situation that someone's put in and then speculate, if Goku hadn't killed all those he killed those that he killed would of killed a lot more. Goku knew exactly what he was doing and he did what he had to do while still remaining pure.

There's a big philosophical view on this by Hobbes about the selfishness of man, read it and you'll see why it is possible one can be selfish from an action like that. (If you want to).

[ajf1515]

It's just like if someone had someone you love at gun point and said if you don't shoot me in the next five seconds I will kill the person you love. Will you kill them in order to save the one you love?? if you do and then kill that person does that make you impure or evil?? of course not, you did what you had to do in order to save the one you love, in Goku's case it was to protect the innocent and to save countless lives, you've got to take into account the situation that someone's put in and then speculate, if Goku hadn't killed all those he killed those that he killed would of killed a lot more. Goku knew exactly what he was doing and he did what he had to do while still remaining pure.

There's a big philosophical view on this by Hobbes about the selfishness of man, read it and you'll see why it is possible one can be selfish from an action like that. (If you want to).

Thank you and yes I did read it, it's good to read other perspectives and to be knowledgeable so thank you, well first of all, It's all about perspective, how you look at things, how you look at situations. We were talking about right and wrong and now you've brought up selfishness, what matters is the intent, is it for the greater good or for your own personal gain, so I read about Thomas Hobbes views and about his philosophical way of thinking and he "argued from a mechanistic view that life is simply the motions of the organism and that man is by nature a selfishly individualistic animal at constant war with all other men." that is his way of thinking, his perspective of man. So he basically says that no matter what situation we're put in we're going to act selfish. I do not believe that because I have many times acted unselfish/selfless and I have countless times put other people's desires and needs in front of mine and I have also many times done something nice for someone else without expecting anything in return. That is the same way Goku acts. I have also witnessed what I have just described in other people as well. I have done selfless/unselfish acts and have witnessed countless others and by no means was any of that selfish so how can he explain that?? Here is a quick read of why - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selflessness (if you want to lol). Now that is why I do not believe his theory, I believe that man is born with good inside, and I believe that was stated by John Locke and Jean-Jacques_Rousseau if i'm not mistaken. Now look many other people may think different, and it's ok, you and me can believe what we want to believe. Now when you take into consideration the above situation yes you can see the situation as killing someone to save someone else as selfish from hobbes perspective or you can see it as an act of love and as as a good/pure-hearted decision to save someone you love for the greater good, and yes you did what you had to do, and if the intent was good then by no means is that selfish, especially when someones life is being threatened by a killer. It would be selfish not to kill someone if you absolutely had to because that way you don't have to live with the guilt and pain of killing someone, you see the unselfish/selfless thing to do would be to kill because that way yes you've saved someone you love but now you have to live with the fact that you've killed someone even though you're pure hearted inside, that would be one of the most toughest decisions anyone could make, For Goku is was with Kid Buu he had to do it, with Frieza he gave him second chance and then after that he did what he had to do, that is my opinion and yours may be different but i'm just trying to explain where i'm coming from. Goku is selfless/unselfish, everything he did was for the greater good, when he killed it was because he had to, either to protect the ones he loved or to protect the innocent, or both, and even though it wasn't what he wanted, it's what he had to do, that is in my opinion the ultimate test, and by no means was any of that selfish. Now if you have a chance to save the killer and show them mercy that is also being selfless/unselfish just as Goku did with Piccolo/Vegeta/Frieza and a lot of other characters. Again it depends on the situation someones put in. Through all the situations Goku was put in and may be put in, he has always acted selfless/unselfish and he has always acted with a pure heart, and that is what defines someone IMO. So I am by no means arguing with you just letting you know my perspective on Right vs. Wrong, Selfish vs. Unselfish/Selfless. So in my eyes Goku always did the right thing and he always acted Unselfish/Selfless that is why I look up to him and that's why he's so special. Anyways, thanks you've made me go deep inside and bring out my feelings, god bless.

[Rocketman]

Through all the situations Goku was put in and may be put in, he has always acted selfless/unselfish and he has always acted with a pure heart

No he does not. He spares Piccolo/Vegeta because he wants to fight them again. He asks for Buu's reincarnation because he wants to fight him again.

[ajf1515]

Through all the situations Goku was put in and may be put in, he has always acted selfless/unselfish and he has always acted with a pure heart

No he does not. He spares Piccolo/Vegeta because he wants to fight them again. He asks for Buu's reincarnation because he wants to fight him again.

Yes thank u for pointing that out, that was ONE of the reasons of why he let piccolo/vegeta live, but the main reason was to show them mercy compassion and love in hopes that they would turn good, to give them a second chance to redeem themselves, and because it's the right thing to do, with kid buu he felt bad because he had to kill him so he wished for him to be reincarnated to give him a second chance and then to have another fair fight, and then if any of them did or didn't turn good then he would hope to fight them again, hoping to fight them again was always secondary to showing them mercy compassion and love and to give them a second chance to redeem themselves, remember he let frieza live, but didn't hope to fight him again, with vegeta when he was talking to krillin it was first to show him mercy compassion and love and so vegeta could redeem himself and then if he did or didn't then he hoped to fight him again in the future. Goku is pure hearted and always did the right thing, that's what I believe and that's how I interpret it, although this can be debated it's the way I look at it, u may look at it differently and that's the beauty of DBZ

[Piccolo Daimao]

Through all the situations Goku was put in and may be put in, he has always acted selfless/unselfish and he has always acted with a pure heart

No he does not. He spares Piccolo/Vegeta because he wants to fight them again. He asks for Buu's reincarnation because he wants to fight him again.

Yes thank u for pointing that out, that was ONE of the reasons of why he let piccolo/vegeta live, but the main reason was to show them mercy compassion and love in hopes that they would turn good, to give them a second chance to redeem themselves, and because it's the right thing to do, with kid buu he felt bad because he had to kill him so he wished for him to be reincarnated to give him a second chance and then to have another fair fight, and then if any of them did or didn't turn good then he would hope to fight them again, hoping to fight them again was always secondary to showing them mercy compassion and love and to give them a second chance to redeem themselves, remember he let frieza live, but didn't hope to fight him again, with vegeta when he was talking to krillin it was first to show him mercy compassion and love and so vegeta could redeem himself and then if he did or didn't then he hoped to fight him again in the future. Goku is pure hearted and always did the right thing, that's what I believe and that's how I interpret it, although this can be debated it's the way I look at it, u may look at it differently and that's the beauty of DBZ

Actually, no, the only reason Goku spared Vegeta is because he wanted to fight him again. If you read the manga, Kuririn actually asked Goku if he was sparing Vegeta in the hope that he'd become good, and Goku replied that wasn't the case, that he just wanted to fight him again.
With Piccolo, it was that he wanted to give him a chance to train and get stronger so he could fight him again, as well as not wanting to kill Kami in the process. Nothing hints at the fact that Goku spared either of them because he hoped that they'd become good.

With the Kid Boo thing, I truly think that he intended just to battle Boo again, one-on-one.