Trunks is SSJ2 (Theroy)

Trunks Master Swordsman03 · Post by **Trunks Master Swordsman03** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:32 pm

First let me say this.......Please Don't Bash me....I've gotten bashed enuff for this theroy. All I want to here is what you think about the theroy, & if it's believable. (This is a topic referencing the Funi Dub, so please don't let me here "Manga")

Back in Trunks time, when he fought Cell he was SSJ2.

When he fought the Androids (in the same ep):
.his SSJ Hair was flopped to the side like normal
.his hair was yellow

When he fought Cell:
.his hair was super spiked, dead straight
.it was also radiant gold

Now, the whole lightning thing is not necisary, when Gohan fought Dabura, he was SSJ2 but did not have lightning.

Here are some pics that you can compare the hair.....

Vs.Droids (SSJ)

Vs.Cell (SSJ2)

Other Vs.Cell (SSJ2)

Pedro The Hutt · Post by **Pedro The Hutt** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:48 pm

Or it's an effect of the angle.. Ah well, one could theorise endlessly about this.

And I believe you don't want to "hear" manga.

And well, it's entirely possible that he reached SSJ2 in his own timeline, but what kind of training and/or emotional event would've triggered that? Let alone, when could it have happened?

Trunks Master Swordsman03 · Post by **Trunks Master Swordsman03** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:11 pm

Well, you could undergo intense training, I mean Trunks was a dedicated fighter from what we knew of him, so who is to really say he'd stop training.

Now, Goku & Vegeta underwent training & became SSJ2 (Goku for sure). We know Goku was able to do it, & Vegeta is a maybe (but lets not get into that).

We know it was 3 years later.......

Demi · Post by **Demi** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:40 pm

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tealsmith · Post by **tealsmith** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:57 pm

Demi wrote:I hate that website. When are they going to fix it so there aren't two navigation bars on the left?

I get that too, but only with Firefox. I tried viewing the page in IE and it the second bar was on the right.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:04 pm

I'm not going to bash you, but you can't seriously ask anyone to believe that theory. There's no reason why Trunks would become SSJ2 in his future world; when Trunks defeated the artificial humans it was easy, but not "one-hit-makes-you-explode" easy.

When he went back to his world, he was already plenty strong enough to deal with them. Why would he need to transform higher? Trunks' regular SSJ was more than enough to handle the second form of Cell.

Trunks Master Swordsman03 · Post by **Trunks Master Swordsman03** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:27 pm

LOL, why would Goku & Vegeta go any further? With that ligic Goku & Vegeta would have no reason to ascend further either.

*PINHEAD* · Post by ***PINHEAD*** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:38 pm

Actually, your theory is somewhat plausible. He may have reached Super Saiyian 2 level, maybe not. The way I see it, is that Super Saiyan levels aren't clear cut transformations; SSJ2 is just an especially powered up Super Saiyan 1. With my kind of thinking, Trunks possibly could have reached that level.

However, I disagree with that idea. In the future, not only would he have no reason to strive to achieve that level (that would just be overkill against Cell), but normally when a character becomes SSJ2, the lightning is shown and the hair becomes much more spiked and straight. Now, I see what you're saying with those images and all, but to me they seem just like a different shading, angle, and way the hair goes up. Remember, as explained in a thread here a while back, there are many different styles the anime is conveyed in, and each of those renderings has a different coloring scheme.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:42 pm

Trunks was different than goku or Vegeta; he didn't crave power for its own sake, he only wanted enough strength to defeat his opponents so he could live in peace. There's nothing to sugest Trunks did anymore training after returning to his own world, nor did he have any reason to.

lost in thought · Post by **lost in thought** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:56 am

Deus Ex Machina wrote:Trunks was different than goku or Vegeta; he didn't crave power for its own sake, he only wanted enough strength to defeat his opponents so he could live in peace. There's nothing to sugest Trunks did anymore training after returning to his own world, nor did he have any reason to.

I agree.

Also, as far as I can remember of the Cell Saga, Trunks' only reached 'USSJ 2' ("Sûpâ Saiya-jin dai san-dankai",) which was proven to be far too slow, and bulky- between this time we don't see any signs that Trunks has reached any new levels, and as the arc comes to an end we see him return to the future and exterminate the threats of his time, including Cell; once Trunks gives his goodbyes, his part of the story is closed, and we lose all contact with him, thereby nulling any chance of knowing whether Trunks ever made it to SS-J 2, or higher.

[Note: I am pretty sure the above even though pretty vague, is as accurate as need be for this situation, but if I've missed something, or gotten things turned around a bit, feel free to correct me!]

( 'USSJ 2's true name was pulled directly from the DaizEX transformation guide, it's such a great help!!)

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:21 am

I see it as a possibility, and a probability, that he would have kept training and eventually reached SSJ2. He would have probably slowed it down compared to his Android/Cell saga training, but he would have trained.

Gamingdevil · Post by **Gamingdevil** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:26 am

If Trunks would've reached that level before he went back to his time, then why didn't he just beat up Cell and why did he even bother (and went through this much trouble) to reach USSJ1 and USSJ2?
Although it is probable that he reached it in the Future Timeline, we'll never know and he certainly didn't reach it in the Cell Saga.

Fuujin · Post by **Fuujin** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:32 am

The difference between SSJ and SSJ2 is pretty apparent in the manga, so arguing about it is pretty much pointless.

Trunks Master Swordsman03 · Post by **Trunks Master Swordsman03** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:42 pm

there are many different styles the anime is conveyed in, and each of those renderings has a different coloring scheme.

But this was in the exact same episode, not like from the Trunks Saga to Cell Games.

he didn't crave power for its own sake, he only wanted enough strength to defeat his opponents so he could live in peace

So that's why Trunks went like 3x over the power of Vegeta?

The difference between SSJ and SSJ2 is pretty apparent in the manga,

grrrrr

tealsmith · Post by **tealsmith** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:50 pm

Trunks Master Swordsman03 wrote:
he didn't crave power for its own sake, he only wanted enough strength to defeat his opponents so he could live in peace
So that's why Trunks went like 3x over the power of Vegeta?

If you're referring to why Trunks went USS2 while Vegeta only went USSJ, it's because Vegeta realized the limitations of the new form (dramtically decreased speed), and thus didn't use it. Trunks didn't realize this though, and just kept buffing up.

Besides, Trunks didn't train to reach USSJ/USSJ2 just for his own pride, or the desire to be the best fighter there was. He was driven by the desire to not let the timeline he was in be brought to chaos like his own timeline. Vegeta trained so he could be the strongest and keep his ego and pride happy.

El_Diablo · Post by **El_Diablo** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:56 pm

Well, well. Look who it is.

Anyway, the anime is directly based on the manga, so the dub version of that scene wouldn't be different

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:37 pm

First of all it still looks super saiyan by the size of the hair strands - they just move to a diffrent angle. Secondly in the manga it is not so - now I know you dont want manga evidence but hold on here. If Toei wanted to differenciate this from the manga they would have included the lightning to make you go "Oh in this version he hit SSJ2".

Thirdly as far as Trunks is concerned, he does train, but only hard training comes when it is necessary to fend off something. He thought he surpassed Vegeta but that was an effort to be sure to defeat second form Cell (he wasnt even thinking of perfect cell yet).

Now then, knowing the strengths and weakness' of Cell, and knowing he'd obliterated 17 and 18 in his timeline, he knew he was dealing with form 1 Cell. Who he knew could have his ass handed to him by any Super Saiyan form, and he did not even show signs of going to the ultimate stages for the fight. He used only what was necessary to defeat the enmies within his timeline. Now its entirely possible that over a long time of training he might reach SSJ2. My guess would be frustration over even defeating the enemies, he still cannot revive those who were lost could fuel a SSJ2 transformation (if he was already in SSJ1 and training).

Trunks Master Swordsman03 · Post by **Trunks Master Swordsman03** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:50 pm

laserkid- Now there is a difference between SSJ2 & ASSJ.

In order for Trunks to go ASSJ he would have needed to put in effort, like Vegeta did.

However, SSJ2 once mastered can be reached easily, as Goku showed when going SSJ2 Vs.)v(ajin Buu.

dim_sum_boy · Post by **dim_sum_boy** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:03 pm

I can clearly say that trunks wasn't ssj2 when he fought cell because I think it was the episode's animation that made the it look that way.

Notice that each episodes has different animation, like some are better drawing then others. 'Save the world' for example has a extremly well done drawing. So I don't think he was ssj2; it may look like it but it's not cause of the episode's animation.

Trunks Master Swordsman03 · Post by **Trunks Master Swordsman03** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:17 pm

But my point is, this is the same episode, why would they change animation in the same ep?