Trunks is SSJ2 (Theroy)

[dim_sum_boy]

The animation is the same; it might look like he's ssj2 from that angle but it's not. As you know that in episode that if they show a charecter from a distance it might be sketchy and if close up its more detail.

I just think that it's from that angle or distance that might look like that and plus as you can see that the hair wasn't well drawing. It just seem as if it's just sketchy. Just look at more of the screenshots from that same episode.

[Trunks Master Swordsman03]

I have, I can see a difference in all of them.

[lost in thought]

ASSJ

These aren't the forums to be bandying about fan names, thats why we have DaizEX's transformation guide! (Wow, a guide too?!)

Trunks was in fact 'USSJ2' (Sûpâ Saiya-jin dai ni-dankai,) not 'SSJ 2' (Sûpâ Saiyajin Tsû,) which the differences of are carefully laid out by Mike in his transformation guide (linked above.) It's also painfully clear that this is degenerating into a fanboy point pushing thread, because you're unable to accept the cold hard facts.

Bottom Line: Trunks is not Super Saiyan 2 in the anime while we see him, and as much as you want him to be will not change this.

)v(ajin Buu.

Also, try using an M from now on... it's Majin Buu, not bracket-v-bracket.

[*PINHEAD*]

)v(ajin....clever...

But anyway, it's impossible for a human hand to exactly replicate a previous work. In that same sense, of course there would be differences between Trunks in one part of an episode and Trunks in another, even if done in the same style. Or maybe in those three or whatever many years in between his confrontation with the Androids and Cell the way his hair went up changed. Just compare the normal Super Saiyan form of Son Goku when he first achieved that form to his hair during the Cell story arc.

[tealsmith]

ASSJ

These aren't the forums to be bandying about fan names, thats why we have DaizEX's transformation guide! (Wow, a guide too?!)

ASSJ isn't a fan name, it's the name Funi gave to USSJ. The A stands for 'Ascended' and those who've only watched the dub will know the form that Vegeta, Trunks, and eventually Goku all reach as 'Ascended Super Saiya-Jin'

(Also intresting to note - in the dub, the super buffed up form is referred to as Ascended Super Saiya-Jin, and in the Buu saga this is also the name they give Super Saiya-Jin 2 on several occasions, which could possibly create confusion as to the difference between the two forms. When Goku transforms in front of Majin Buu, he refers to SSJ2 as '"Ascended Super Saiya-Jin, or just Super Saiya-Jin 2." Then when talking about SSJ3, Krillin remarks "Man, what does that make him now? Double ascended?" This creates even further confusion. As far as I remember in the dub, 'SSJ2' as a term is only used once. 'ASSJ' is the term generally used for both buffed up SSJ and SSJ2.)

[Trunks Master Swordsman03]

ASSJ

These aren't the forums to be bandying about fan names, thats why we have DaizEX's transformation guide! (Wow, a guide too?!)

Trunks was in fact 'USSJ2' (Sûpâ Saiya-jin dai ni-dankai,) not 'SSJ 2' (Sûpâ Saiyajin Tsû,) which the differences of are carefully laid out by Mike in his transformation guide (linked above.) It's also painfully clear that this is degenerating into a fanboy point pushing thread, because you're unable to accept the cold hard facts.

#1- ASSJ is what Vegeta was, USSJ is ASSJ pushed further beyond. I will call it ASSJ if I please.

#2- Trunks was NOT USSJ when fighting Cell, he did not buff up at all =/

But anyway, it's impossible for a human hand to exactly replicate a previous work

Well of course, but I still see a pretty big difference in his hair.

[*PINHEAD*]

For his hair, as I've said, the way it goes up may have changed.

Now, for the whole Ultra Super Saiyan form and the Super Saiyan 2 form being confused, it could probably be a result of the way the Saiyans were trying to surpass the original state during the Cell story arc. When the characters reached USSJ, they all thought that had reached the "level beyond" Super Saiyan. But with the inclusion of SSJ2, it seems that this form was the actual "beyond" SSJ. Just as Super Saiyan 3 is the "level beyond the beyond Super Saiyan." Like that little tag under my name!

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[Super DC]

Well I see no electricity coming from Trunks so that means he wasn't a SSj2. Trunks didn't even need to power up to his USSj/ASSj form to beat the Androids and Cell.

[lost in thought]

I think this topic has reached a conclusion, it's a shame it hasn't closed yet.

Also, Super DC, your avatar is a little large- I am positive there is a rule about avatar size being of 80x80 pixels at maximum.

[Trunks Master Swordsman03]

Well I see no electricity coming from Trunks so that means he wasn't a SSj2. Trunks didn't even need to power up to his USSj/ASSj form to beat the Androids and Cell.

-_- As I already said, Gohan was SSJ2 when fighting Dabura & he did not have Lightning.

[Super DC]

Note this is before there were any other SSj2s and Toriyama wasn't forgetfull before he started to continue Dragonball.

[Trunks Master Swordsman03]

At this time it is 3 years later, since Goku was in other world for 7 & Goku reached SSJ3, we can assume that it took aroumd 3 years to go SSJ2. Which means that maybe AT wanted to give a hidden SSJ2.

[Deus ex Machina]

If Trunks had ever reached SSJ2 at any point in the story, there would be conclusive evidence for it. However there isn't, even the daizenshuu's put out by Toei never said so. So even if the anime was making stuff up, it would atleast be mentioned. Trunks becoming SSJ2 would simply be ridiculously over kill on 17, 18, and first form Cell. None of them could even stand up to his new SSJ power.

[lost in thought]

ASSJ isn't a fan name, it's the name Funi gave to USSJ.

FUNimation refered to the next step as 'Ascending to a higher level', or 'he's ascended to the next level' kind of shit; I don't remember any instances of them ever specificly giving it a name in the dub, unlike the other *actual* levels. (This also goes for USSJ, which is a fan term as well.)
[Edit: In fact, that reminds me, I don't believe I've ever heard them say "Super Saiyan 2" either, if I remember correctly- everyone just states that it's "Beyond a Super Saiyan", (specificly Goku, and Gohan,) or a similar reference to the power.]

#1- ASSJ is what Vegeta was, USSJ is ASSJ pushed further beyond. I will call it ASSJ if I please.

#2- Trunks was NOT USSJ when fighting Cell, he did not buff up at all =/

'ASSJ' is your fan term for 'ascending' to the next level, i.e
- " Sûpâ Saiya-jin dai ni-dankai " and " Sûpâ Saiya-jin dai san-dankai " (which is are fan-titled as "USSJ" and "USSJ 2" respectively,) which are peaks in power above that of " Sûpâ Saiya-jin dai ichi-dankai " (SSJ.)
And when Trunks fought Cell after his fathers defeat, he was 'USSJ 2', and makes mention of it, because of how much slower he is, and how little damage he can do to Cell. This leads to the scene where Trunks tells Cell to take his life, but is ultimately spared on a whim.

Mike also makes it clear in the guide, that this is an open and shut case on the matter:

[From paragraph: "(FUTURE) TRUNKS", in the documentation on USSJ]
"While obvious that Trunks is able to reach USSJ1, he takes it one step further to USSJ2 (note: this is not SSJ2, which is explained below. Trunks never reaches SSJ2). His body mass increases along with his raw power, but his speed unfortunately decreases, as well. The energy consumption is also increased."

This is also accompanied by a picture, from the events I described above, in which Trunks transformed. Which finishes this topic with: Theory null and void.

[Xyex]

I still say the fandom needs to start using SSJU and SSJU2 to clear up all that confusion. And ASSJ was the original name FUNi gave to SSJU but later to SSJ2 once the Saiya-jins realized that SSJU wasn't ASSJ, and then ASSJ was dropped once SSJ3 was revealed.

[Super DC]

http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~vegex/guid ... ters.shtml

Just give him the rumor guide link and now it can be closed.

[lost in thought]

I still say the fandom needs to start using SSJU and SSJU2 to clear up all that confusion. And ASSJ was the original name FUNi gave to SSJU but later to SSJ2 once the Saiya-jins realized that SSJU wasn't ASSJ, and then ASSJ was dropped once SSJ3 was revealed.

1.) SSJU is no better or different than USSJ, if anything they should just tag it as 'beyond a super saiyan' or just 'beyond', like FUNi did, to differenciate the power increase between levels, which also included Super Saiyan 2, after Gohan achieved it.

2.) I don't remember FUNi declaring it, like they did for Super Saiyan, but rather using it in the same manner as 'beyond', in that the fighter has surpassed the power of said level. This would suggest that it was merely a 'reference' to greater power, instead of an actual title. (Which I am glad that FUNi didn't directly name the individual points of power, especially when Gohan has his training with the Elder Kaioushin, and has another hidden power unlocked... since that mystic, included, bullshit- was entirely annoying!)

3.) I am of the opinion that FUNi calling the power up SSJ-3 just that, a cop out, when they could have had some fun, and danced around the subject- like they'd been doing since the lot of the Saiyans went Super.

[Deus ex Machina]

2.) I don't remember FUNi declaring it, like they did for Super Saiyan, but rather using it in the same manner as 'beyond', in that the fighter has surpassed the power of said level. This would suggest that it was merely a 'reference' to greater power, instead of an actual title. (Which I am glad that FUNi didn't directly name the individual points of power, especially when Gohan has his training with the Elder Kaioushin, and has another hidden power unlocked... since that mystic, included, bullshit- was entirely annoying!)

I'm not sure what you mean by that. The term "Super Saiyan 2" was coined by Goku when explaining his transformations to Babidi and Majin Boo, and it was the same in the dub as well.

[lost in thought]

I'm not sure what you mean by that. The term "Super Saiyan 2" was coined by Goku when explaining his transformations to Babidi and Majin Boo, and it was the same in the dub as well.

Well, I am pretty much just saying that 'Ascended Super Saiyan/Saiya-Jin' is complete fan bullshit, like USSJ, and that other than calling their initial transformations 'Super Saiyan' and then 'beyond a Super Saiyan', there really wasn't any naming scheme, as to each level, other than yes, when Goku explains his transformations.
Other than that, were left pretty high and dry, and just get the power references, like: "He's ascended to the next level"...
...until Super Saiyan 3, then the whole 'dance around the obvious' thing goes right out the window.

At this time it is 3 years later, since Goku was in other world for 7 & Goku reached SSJ3, we can assume that it took aroumd 3 years to go SSJ2. Which means that maybe AT wanted to give a hidden SSJ2.

I missed this one. Hidden is laughable. You don't get hidden jack shit when you completely drop connections with someone in a story, unless they... oh I don't know... come back.

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Also, despite my dispute against 'ASSJ', I will still say the power reference within 'ascended' is still valid, and useful, since it's a good word to accurately point out a specific power change in a fictional story without giving it a stupid name like ASSJ, or USSJ.

[Adamant]

ASSJ isn't a fan name, it's the name Funi gave to USSJ. The A stands for 'Ascended' and those who've only watched the dub will know the form that Vegeta, Trunks, and eventually Goku all reach as 'Ascended Super Saiya-Jin'

This isn't a FUNi-dubbed DragonBall board, it's a DragonBall board. Not everyone watches the FUNi dub, not everyone knows what terms and names FUNi uses, and noone, as far as I've seen, uses "ASSJ" for SSJ2.

It's not like people refer to Piccolo as Satan on this board, even if they're from France, where that IS his name.