Dragonball Kai (FUNimation English) Dub: General Discussion

[Flamzeron]

I can understand why they would do edits. I mean, it is Nicktoons, after all.

[Gaffer Tape]

Yep, this pretty much turned out just like I guessed it would... well, a bit further than I guessed it would. I would certainly label what we've seen thus far as "Saban-era" edits. But considering that CN had no problem with death and static blood... well, I just had a feeling that a Nickelodeon station wouldn't let that pass. Oh, well. I'm not watching it on TV, and I'm probably not getting any of the home releases either, at least not for a very long while... and, hell, I might just get the R2s instead. Anyway, I'm rambling now. I was surprised about the scar.

[Taku128]

Yeah, because Dragon Ball is totally for adults, right?

Equally as much as Detective Conan, at least. Didn't that end up there?

Yeah, but unfortunately it did horribly and got canceled. Bleach on the other hand is their most popular anime right now. If they're going to show kids cartoons on adult swim I wish they'd at least show the good ones.

Death Note is on Adult Swim too, at least they show one good shonen show...

[NeoKING]

I can understand why they would do edits. I mean, it is Nicktoons, after all.

Nicktoons has to be the most hypocritical network when it comes to edits and animation.

Right now, I'm watching Avatar: The Last Airbender. Do you know what the twist of the episode is? An old inn keeper turns out to be a "witch" that is a master Water Bender; a human adept at manipulating water. She learned to control water from anywhere and anything, even thin air. But the real kicker? Her ace-in-the-hole is the ability to Bloodbend, the ability to control other human beings via controlling their blood. Also, it was shown that she has a hobby of completely removing the blood from other people and keeping their bloodless bodies as puppets. Let me also add that the episode didn't end with a happy ending.

Also, they mention "death" and the words "kill" at various times in the series, especially during the final episodes where the main character has to find a way to kill the Fire Lord.

This isn't all either. Avatar has A LOT of crap that gets past the radar, yet they can't do that for KAI? Ok.

[ohaimynameiserik]

At least the accurate dialog is still there for the most part.

Everything Bardock said was pretty much on par with the original Japanese.

[Chuquita]

WOW at all the new edits. o_O

Definitely will wait for the uncut dvds or hope Funi streams the uncut version online somewhere.

[Mountain]

After watching the higher quality clips, I think I will stick with the Japanese version. I'm happy for those who like the FUNi dub, but I'm just not a fan of this voice cast. Props to FUNi, though, for a more accurate script.

[penguintruth]

At least the accurate dialog is still there for the most part.

Everything Bardock said was pretty much on par with the original Japanese.

I noticed that, too. In fact, I didn't even notice the missing blood at first because the dialogue was so good.

It's too bad the scene is ruined by Linda Young's Freeza, even if he doesn't say any actual lines.

[DB_Fan1991]

Young's Freeza wasn't that bad this time. The laugh she made was similar to Nakao's laugh, so at least it's better than Season 3 Linda Young Freeza.

[Vashkey]

I think they're going a bit far with the editing. Toonami was a bit more lax on it. It was acceptable. But no blood at all in Kai? Hopefully not, that would just be ridiculous. What are they going to do with all the scenes where characters regenerate their limbs or deaths?

And then theres going to be inconsistencies between the broadcast and the home video release. Whats going to happen when a parent buys their kids a DVD and find something they don't think is suitable? I'm not saying I don't want unedited releases but if they're going to edit this stuff so it can air on a kids television station then they should probably make edited releases as well for those same kids to watch without their parents making a fuss.

[Kaboom]

*Watches clips, soaks in over-zealous editing*

Yep. Bye-bye, any interest I had in watching this on TV.

Like NeoKING pointed out, other Nickelodeon properties, ones like Avatar, get away with all kinds of dramatic and death-oriented stuff all the time. There's no reason why DragonBall shouldn't be allowed the same.

I knew it was going to be edited, but this is way TOO edited for my taste. It's severely off-setting my enthusiasm from having a good dub in the first place. Looks like I might be investing in some more DVDs after all.

I wonder if I can comment on those videos on Nick's site anywhere. Just loudly and proudly declare: "Hey kids, guess what! Bardock was actually bleeding a LOT during that part! And Master Roshi was drinking beer, not water or milk or whatever! And guess what? People actually DIE in this show!"

[NeoKING]

*Watches clips, soaks in over-zealous editing*

Yep. Bye-bye, any interest I had in watching this on TV.

Like NeoKING pointed out, other Nickelodeon properties, ones like Avatar, get away with all kinds of dramatic and death-oriented stuff all the time. There's no reason why DragonBall shouldn't be allowed the same.

I knew it was going to be edited, but this is way TOO edited for my taste. It's severely off-setting my enthusiasm from having a good dub in the first place. Looks like I might be investing in some more DVDs after all.

I wonder if I can comment on those videos on Nick's site anywhere. Just loudly and proudly declare: "Hey kids, guess what! Bardock was actually bleeding a LOT during that part! And Master Roshi was drinking beer, not water or milk or whatever! And guess what? People actually DIE in this show!"

Yeah, like I said, NickToons are a bunch of hypocrites. Leave it to them to keep all mentions of death and murder in Wolverine and the X-Men or Iron Man Adventures or Avatar, but take it out of an actual anime.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Yeah, like I said, NickToons are a bunch of hypocrites. Leave it to them to keep all mentions of death and murder in Wolverine and the X-Men or Iron Man Adventures or Avatar, but take it out of an actual anime.

Did Nicktoons actually take out any mention of death in Kai? I thought they just visually edited stuff.

[Blue]

Young's Freeza wasn't that bad this time. The laugh she made was similar to Nakao's laugh

I...would disagree with that. Nonetheless a good script might do wonders when the time comes. Young actually pulled off some pretty cool,calm cockiness in the UUC version.

[Kaboom]

Yeah, like I said, NickToons are a bunch of hypocrites. Leave it to them to keep all mentions of death and murder in Wolverine and the X-Men or Iron Man Adventures or Avatar, but take it out of an actual anime.

Disney XD keeps all talk of the sort, as well as a plethora of violence, in The Spectacular Spider-Man, but they likewise edited Naruto: Shippuden to hell. What is it with anime getting chopped up and censored like all get-out but not any domestic shows getting held to the same standards?

[bkev]

Spectacular Spider-Man also has a lot less to edit, Kaboom. Just so you know.

[ohaimynameiserik]

Well we won't really be missing out on much seeing as the DVD and Blu-Ray for the first 13 episodes come out nearly a week before the show airs on TV.

Would have really sucked if the show aired and then a month later the home release came out and FUNi would have to beg us to buy it and say "NO, IT'S REALLY REALLY UNCUT THIS TIME!!"

[NeoKING]

Did Nicktoons actually take out any mention of death in Kai? I thought they just visually edited stuff.

Now that it's more apparent, something else I can mention I learned from Sabat a while back: The Nicktoons version will be pretty much devoid of "any mention of death".

Unfortunately. Oh, and to the person who mentioned Spectacular Spiderman, um... While it may not be the most violent cartoon(it does have a lot of action and is pretty much one of the greatest cartoons on TV), there is a lot of stuff that gets passed the radar. Honorable mentions goes out to the numerous sexual jokes(and no, I don't mean "Face it Tiger, you've hit the jackpot!"-kinds of sexual jokes, I'm talking the kind of stuff where Mary Jane would ask Randy if he was 'Randy,' only for him to reply "Very.") that they manage to squeeze in there somehow, and the whole Harry Osborne doing 'Green' ala drugs situation.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

All mention of death? I hope that doesn't mean we'll see a return of the next dimension.

[G1Ravage]

I can understand why they would do edits. I mean, it is Nicktoons, after all.

Nicktoons has to be the most hypocritical network when it comes to edits and animation.

Right now, I'm watching Avatar: The Last Airbender. Do you know what the twist of the episode is? An old inn keeper turns out to be a "witch" that is a master Water Bender; a human adept at manipulating water. She learned to control water from anywhere and anything, even thin air. But the real kicker? Her ace-in-the-hole is the ability to Bloodbend, the ability to control other human beings via controlling their blood. Also, it was shown that she has a hobby of completely removing the blood from other people and keeping their bloodless bodies as puppets. Let me also add that the episode didn't end with a happy ending.

Also, they mention "death" and the words "kill" at various times in the series, especially during the final episodes where the main character has to find a way to kill the Fire Lord.

This isn't all either. Avatar has A LOT of crap that gets past the radar, yet they can't do that for KAI? Ok.

I've been watching Nicktoons at night lately. All TV-Y7 programming. Ren & Stimpy had its usual blood and guts and other visual oddities related to nudity, Rocko's Modern Life had its innuendo, and Nicktoons was airing commercials for some show about farm animals that was a straight-up parody of Girls Gone Wild commercials, complete with flashy text over their "naughty regions", and using audio clips from the show, which taken out of context for the commercial, sound incredibly wrong.

It may be a time slot issue. If Kai were airing at night, perhaps they wouldn't edit it as much. Otherwise, I will have to simply chalk this up as anime being edited simply because it's anime, as is often the case.