Schemmel: "The Ocean Group is doing their own dub"

[ohaimynameiserik]

this opening theme?

WHAT THE HELL DID I JUST HEAR?!

[Dayspring]

The law itself isn't crazy so much as the loopholes in it are. The purpose of the law is to get Canadian stations to commission more Canadian shows, movies, etc. Otherwise most stations just try and pick up American shows because it's cheaper to pay them a buttload for a show they know is tested and true than to pay to make a show that might flop altogether. It's a smart law that's good for our Arts and Entertainment departments, as well as for the economy. It's just that corruption is keeping the loophole in place, which fucks everything up. I mean hell, we've got BBC shows and American sitcoms and gameshows airing on CBC! CBC is Federally funded! It should be 100% Cancon!

Yeah, that does make sense, and I'm all for local arts being supported and not just relying on the lower cost of importing. Then again, I don't really believe it's the government's job to mandate things like that. Federally funded stations like CBC, I agree, could reasonably be under that law, but not privately owned stations. Then again, I'm not Canadian, so what do I know?

But that's neither here nor there. How about them thar Ocean Dub, huh?

The concept itself is sound. I've seen firsthand how letting people just import from the States can fuck over the entire arts and culture of Canada. The best thing would be to swap the rule to a certain amount of 100% Cancon. But instead the current law gets abused. It's not that every show needs to be 50% Canadian, just that the total of what's broadcasted in a week (or day or month, I forget) needs to be 50% Cancon. You can have your highest-rated timeslots filled with whatever you want, be it foreign content or domestic. Instead of dead air, you could put the oldest, cheapest piece of Canadian crap on for an hour and even claim that as 1/24th of your daily requirements.

But yeah, how this relates to Ocean's dub is that, if it's being made for Canadian broadcast, you'll see edits to meet our CRTC requirements both for Cancon (thus making it more sellable to broadcasters) and possibly for censorship (less likely; Canada's much more lax than the States when it comes to censoring for TV). So if an all-Canadian VA cast makes the show ''7% Cancon'', you'll also see diff music because it's cheaper than royalties for the original score and would boost it up to ''15% Cancon''. (Note that I'm pulling those numbers out of my ass; they're just to give an idea of how Cancon relates to the Ocean dub process)

So to answer B's question, if Kai were considered 30% Cancon, follow it up with a half-hour of 80% Cancon and you can claim that in that hour block you have 55% total Cancon (30+80 divided by 2), even though nothing shown was completely Canadian.

It's also possible FUNi never renewed its Canadian rights, and someone else is just hiring Ocean because it's cheaper.

[linkdude20002001]

Yikes.

I've seen a couple people mention how the Ocean dub used recycled music from Mega Man. Did that dub have any original music and did it take any music from anything else? Does anybody have any YouTube links to music from other shows that made it into the dub?

They use Monster Rancher music too. I haven't seen much of it myself, so I don't know if they used any other music.

[Dark Vegeta-Sama]

I've seen a couple people mention how the Ocean dub used recycled music from Mega Man. Did that dub have any original music and did it take any music from anything else? Does anybody have any YouTube links to music from other shows that made it into the dub?

Yes, the Ocean dub did eventually have some of its own original music late in the series. During the Kid Buu portion until the end of the series, the production costs seemed to improve a bit, and we finally had some new music mixed in with the recycled stuff from Mega Man and Monster Rancher. Funny enough, if you can put aside the fact that it was recycled, it's worth noting that the music from Monster Rancher was a very good fit for the series.

[penguintruth]

I wonder what the music they used in this clip was from.

(Peter Kelamis is not performing to his abilities in this bit, unfortunately.)

[Kirbopher]

I wonder what the music they used in this clip was from.

(Peter Kelamis is not performing to his abilities in this bit, unfortunately.)

That's Megaman music.

[Gaffer Tape]

What is up with Kelamis's pronounciation of Gohan in this clip?

[ohaimynameiserik]

What is up with Kelamis's pronounciation of Gohan in this clip?

Go HANN, Ti ANN, lawl.

He does however pronounce Goku correctly.

[Brad Redfield]

What's up with Kelamis sounding like John Wayne in that clip?

"Hey you guys, stay out of this."

I was waiting for him to say pilgrim.

[penguintruth]

Kelamis is better here. It's too bad Terry Klassen's Roshi is so bad.

[Solarmax20]

Seán Schemmel Here is why the Ocean group dub will suck.

Is this where we make snarky comments about how he's pretty much saying "it will suck because it's going to be like our old dub, just a lot better, and that dub was so horrible simply making it "a lot better" isn't enough"? Mr. Schemmel really shouldn't talk too loudly about lack of quality of other companies' Dragonball dubs.

I'll talk as loudly as I want now, and I'll be heard. The reason is you're misunderstanding some things about companies and dubbing and how they control our mouths. Just because I was in the original DBZ, doesn't mean I liked it or supported it artistically. We were all frustrated with the old powers that be at Funimation, and for those of you who have never worked in show business professionally, which I would say is, all of you, you may not realize that many companies stance on gag orders is this. "Shut up or be fired." Also, I have a LOT more experience, writing, dubbing, directing and acting in anime than I did when I recorded DBZ the first time. That was my first acting audition. I understand Japanese culture, voice acting, adaptation, the differences between japanese and english significantly more, and, as far as music is concerned I have vast experience in that area, so when I tell you the music will suck, aside from your own subjective experience, I'm pretty qualified to talk about the suckiness of music or not. Of course to each his own at the end of the day. I will be silent about my opinions no longer. We did the best we could with DBZ with some really really crappy decisions that were made by people, who in my opinion, not only had zero artistic talent and experience, were also trying to appease american audiences to make money because perhaps they thought the Pokemon formula would work for DBZ. If America wasn't so uptight about things and parents didn't allow the tv to babysit their children, perhaps more shows would come the U.S. and be uncut. At the end of the day, I am, and have always been a freelance actor, and just because I work for a company doesn't mean I support their decisions. This is the first time I have supported Funi's decisions publicly, and the staff at Funi is now amazing. It's a completely different company.

Have a nice day.

-Sean Schemmel

[Big Momma]

Seán Schemmel Here is why the Ocean group dub will suck.

Is this where we make snarky comments about how he's pretty much saying "it will suck because it's going to be like our old dub, just a lot better, and that dub was so horrible simply making it "a lot better" isn't enough"? Mr. Schemmel really shouldn't talk too loudly about lack of quality of other companies' Dragonball dubs.

I'll talk as loudly as I want now, and I'll be heard. The reason is you're misunderstanding some things about companies and dubbing and how they control our mouths. Just because I was in the original DBZ, doesn't mean I liked it or supported it artistically. We were all frustrated with the old powers that be at Funimation, and for those of you who have never worked in show business professionally, which I would say is, all of you, you may not realize that many companies stance on gag orders is this. "Shut up or be fired." Also, I have a LOT more experience, writing, dubbing, directing and acting in anime than I did when I recorded DBZ the first time. That was my first acting audition. I understand Japanese culture, voice acting, adaptation, the differences between japanese and english significantly more, and, as far as music is concerned I have vast experience in that area, so when I tell you the music will suck, aside from your own subjective experience, I'm pretty qualified to talk about the suckiness of music or not. Of course to each his own at the end of the day. I will be silent about my opinions no longer. We did the best we could with DBZ with some really really crappy decisions that were made by people, who in my opinion, not only had zero artistic talent and experience, were also trying to appease american audiences to make money because perhaps they thought the Pokemon formula would work for DBZ. If America wasn't so uptight about things and parents didn't allow the tv to babysit their children, perhaps more shows would come the U.S. and be uncut. At the end of the day, I am, and have always been a freelance actor, and just because I work for a company doesn't mean I support their decisions. This is the first time I have supported Funi's decisions publicly, and the staff at Funi is now amazing. It's a completely different company.

Have a nice day.

-Sean Schemmel

This post made my day.

[penguintruth]

How convenient for Sean Schemmel to come out against the old ways now that they've past. He didn't seem to have an opinion back then, now did he?

Let's decide for ourselves if the Ocean dub is going to suck, maybe after we've heard some of it. If it's going to have replacement music or other Saban-era tactics, yeah, I can see where it might suck, but Ocean is also full of experienced voice actors and other talents, and they're at least as good as Funimation at English dubs for anime.

[ohaimynameiserik]

How convenient for Sean Schemmel to come out against the old ways now that they've past. He didn't seem to have an opinion back then, now did he?

Let's decide for ourselves if the Ocean dub is going to suck, maybe after we've heard some of it. If it's going to have replacement music or other Saban-era tactics, yeah, I can see where it might suck, but Ocean is also full of experienced voice actors and other talents, and they're at least as good as Funimation at English dubs for anime.

Dude, next time you're at work (if you're employed), approach your boss and tell him he made a stupid decision and that he has no idea what he's doing.

I can understand your opinions most of the time, but to ask "WELL, why didn't you say all this before when you were working for FUNimation?" is just a really stupid question with an obvious answer that he already gave. Which was they were basically told "Shut up or be fired".

[Gaffer Tape]

Oh, wow! Sean Schemmel showed up after all!

Well, while I found parts of that post to be slightly condescending, he is right on the money about everything he said. I've never had any doubt that FUNimation kept its actors from speaking out against it. Remember how much more open they used to be when they first started dubbing in-house, and people like Jon Allen actually got invited to take an inside look at it? Now that they're a much bigger company, the corporate mandates and PR are much bigger. And at the end of the day, Schemmel is, like he said, a "freelance actor," but he has worked extensively for FUNimation. It certainly wouldn't have been worth it for him to have spoken out against FUNimation's bad decisions. What good would that have brought him? None. He just would have gotten fired. Unfortunately, most voice actors don't have that much job security.

At any rate, it's nice to hear him take those old days to task now.

[penguintruth]

Dude, next time you're at work (if you're employed), approach your boss and tell him he made a stupid decision and that he has no idea what he's doing.

I can understand your opinions most of the time, but to ask "WELL, why didn't you say all this before when you were working for FUNimation?" is just a really stupid question with an obvious answer that he already gave. Which was they were basically told "Shut up or be fired".

You're proving my point, not disproving it.

If Mr. Schemmel is going to tow the company line, he should continue to. To suddenly bash the old ways just as they're fading comes off as being disingenuous from a guy who is heavily associated with that part of the show, and as a poor last-ditch attempt to connect with the people who were dissatisfied with that version.

It's too late for that. He was already part of that, he's not scoring points by going, "Oh yeah, I never liked what we were doing." Nobody was forcing him to be in it.

And I know what will be said, "Oh, that's naive, he has to work." That's true. But his after-the-fact criticisms come off as a little odd. Giving that this is coming out with the Kai dub coming out, it seems like a hype tactic more than genuine disclosure.

[Big Momma]

If Mr. Schemmel is going to tow the company line, he should continue to. To suddenly bash the old ways just as they're fading comes off as being disingenuous from a guy who is heavily associated with that part of the show, and as a poor last-ditch attempt to connect with the people who were dissatisfied with that version.

Well, he wasn't as high-calibur back then as he is now. I'm sure that back in those days, he was much more expendable.

[Gaffer Tape]

I admit they do sound a little odd, but you notice that he didn't mention anyone by name. Granted, key players like Fukunaga are still around. But at this point, considering they're hyping Kai as the new awesomeness and trying to get the support of old dub fans who might feel a little to very upset about their nostalgia being stepped on, as well as old school fans who need to be convinced FUNimation is taking it seriously this time, speaking out against the "old regime" might be in their best interests at the moment.

[ohaimynameiserik]

Dude, next time you're at work (if you're employed), approach your boss and tell him he made a stupid decision and that he has no idea what he's doing.

I can understand your opinions most of the time, but to ask "WELL, why didn't you say all this before when you were working for FUNimation?" is just a really stupid question with an obvious answer that he already gave. Which was they were basically told "Shut up or be fired".

You're proving my point, not disproving it.

If Mr. Schemmel is going to tow the company line, he should continue to. To suddenly bash the old ways just as they're fading comes off as being disingenuous from a guy who is heavily associated with that part of the show, and as a poor last-ditch attempt to connect with the people who were dissatisfied with that version.

It's too late for that. He was already part of that, he's not scoring points by going, "Oh yeah, I never liked what we were doing." Nobody was forcing him to be in it.

And I know what will be said, "Oh, that's naive, he has to work." That's true. But his after-the-fact criticisms come off as a little odd. Giving that this is coming out with the Kai dub coming out, it seems like a hype tactic more than genuine disclosure.

I doubt you would have reacted any differently than he has in his position is all I'm saying.

And neither would I.

If I were a voice-over actor, I wouldn't throw away my employment in some vain attempt to protect the original intent of a TV show I'm working on.

If you want to somehow distort my words in some weird way and think that it only helps prove your argument is right, no ifs ands or buts, then go ahead.

[Xyex]

When you're under contract you do what the contract says, or you get canned, at the least. The contract for the old dub is no longer of importance, because new material is coming along, and so those involved can say what they want about them without issue. Simple as that.

You see it all the time with movies. People involved hype them up, then once they're away from their contractual obligations, out comes all of the complaints about how it was done.