Schemmel: "The Ocean Group is doing their own dub"

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Re: Schemmel: "The Ocean Group is doing their own dub"

Post by Adamant » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:37 am

Solarmax20 wrote: I'll talk as loudly as I want now, and I'll be heard. The reason is you're misunderstanding some things about companies and dubbing and how they control our mouths. Just because I was in the original DBZ, doesn't mean I liked it or supported it artistically. We were all frustrated with the old powers that be at Funimation, and for those of you who have never worked in show business professionally, which I would say is, all of you, you may not realize that many companies stance on gag orders is this. "Shut up or be fired." Also, I have a LOT more experience, writing, dubbing, directing and acting in anime than I did when I recorded DBZ the first time. That was my first acting audition. I understand Japanese culture, voice acting, adaptation, the differences between japanese and english significantly more, and, as far as music is concerned I have vast experience in that area, so when I tell you the music will suck, aside from your own subjective experience, I'm pretty qualified to talk about the suckiness of music or not. Of course to each his own at the end of the day. I will be silent about my opinions no longer. We did the best we could with DBZ with some really really crappy decisions that were made by people, who in my opinion, not only had zero artistic talent and experience, were also trying to appease american audiences to make money because perhaps they thought the Pokemon formula would work for DBZ. If America wasn't so uptight about things and parents didn't allow the tv to babysit their children, perhaps more shows would come the U.S. and be uncut. At the end of the day, I am, and have always been a freelance actor, and just because I work for a company doesn't mean I support their decisions. This is the first time I have supported Funi's decisions publicly, and the staff at Funi is now amazing. It's a completely different company.

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I understand all that. But gag orders or not, it still sounds rather hypocritical for you to badmouth what is essentially a competing product to the one you're currently working on and praising when, from the sounds of it, it'll still end up being better than the dub you've worked on for ten years and, regardless of (completely understandable) reasons, not said anything negative about. Of course you're not largely responsible for the lack of quality in that dub, but you're still one of the main representatives for it due to providing the main character's voice.
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Re: Schemmel: "The Ocean Group is doing their own dub"

Post by ohaimynameiserik » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:46 am

Xyex wrote:When you're under contract you do what the contract says, or you get canned, at the least. The contract for the old dub is no longer of importance, because new material is coming along, and so those involved can say what they want about them without issue. Simple as that.

You see it all the time with movies. People involved hype them up, then once they're away from their contractual obligations, out comes all of the complaints about how it was done.
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Post by Brad Redfield » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:50 am

Xyex wrote:You see it all the time with movies. People involved hype them up, then once they're away from their contractual obligations, out comes all of the complaints about how it was done.
Case in point: Bill Murray on Ghostbusters II. The dude has nothing good to say about it now (Its one of the reasons why he doesn't want to do a third movie) but back when it was coming out it was different story. :lol:

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Post by Innagadadavida » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:59 am

James Marsters. Nuff said.

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Post by Chuquita » Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:08 am

Innagadadavida wrote:James Marsters. Nuff said.
You just made me remember when they were still planning out the movie and James Marsters compared DB to Shakespeare's works, or something like that. I wish I had the quote, but it was forever ago. I'm still not sure how I was supposed to react to that comparison.

Now I kind of want to draw Piccolo dressed up as Hamlet, but it's too late at night for me to be working on something like that.
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Post by The Time Traveller » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:22 am

I'd rather have the Funimation dub now, the first DBZ dub was alright, it cut filler and had some awesome performances, the second Ocean dub was an abomination, it was mildly entertaining. The Funimation actors have come a long way, I'd rather have censored (toei) censored (nick) good script on TV than censored (toei) censored (Nick/CN/Cartoonito/Boomerang/Cartoonito/Pop/whoever shows it here) censored (Ocean) bad script.

I'd love Brad Swaile to play Goku in the ocean dub, he was THE best English Gohan, and he has the right pitch at least.

One thing that could save it is the missing filler, when they left filler in the dub it seemed amazingly boring, it's somewhat entertaining and fresh in Japanese but it has an unholy stink about it in English.

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Post by SSJSteve » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:32 am

Chuquita wrote:You just made me remember when they were still planning out the movie and James Marsters compared DB to Shakespeare's works, or something like that. I wish I had the quote, but it was forever ago.
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Post by Super Sayian Prime » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:44 am

The Time Traveller wrote:I'd love Brad Swaile to play Goku in the ocean dub, he was THE best English Gohan, and he has the right pitch at least.
Swaile's voice is a little bit too mellow (Death Note pun not intended) for Goku. In Dragon Drive he didn't sound that great in a role that had a bit of a happy go lucky vibe. He didn't sound bad, just not great. I think if he were to use his Light voice for a villian, that might be something that could work.
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Post by Kendamu » Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:42 pm

penguintruth wrote:How convenient for Sean Schemmel to come out against the old ways now that they've past. He didn't seem to have an opinion back then, now did he?
I've had experience quietly hating the higher-ups in my department until they were gone and we started fixing the damage and upgrading all the equipment while very loudly saying how much we hated the old higher-ups. I can sort of sympathize with his position.

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Re: Schemmel: "The Ocean Group is doing their own dub"

Post by Dayspring » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:24 pm

Xyex wrote:When you're under contract you do what the contract says, or you get canned, at the least. The contract for the old dub is no longer of importance, because new material is coming along, and so those involved can say what they want about them without issue. Simple as that.

You see it all the time with movies. People involved hype them up, then once they're away from their contractual obligations, out comes all of the complaints about how it was done.
All true, but it IS still hypocritical of him to bad mouth the other company for being under those same contracts.
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Re: Schemmel: "The Ocean Group is doing their own dub"

Post by Amigo Ten » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:27 pm

Chuquita wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:James Marsters. Nuff said.
You just made me remember when they were still planning out the movie and James Marsters compared DB to Shakespeare's works, or something like that. I wish I had the quote, but it was forever ago. I'm still not sure how I was supposed to react to that comparison.

Now I kind of want to draw Piccolo dressed up as Hamlet, but it's too late at night for me to be working on something like that.
I remeber some hyped up press conference with him at the front shouting out "WHO THINKS DRAGON BALL IS THE GREATEST CARTOON OF THE LAST 50'000 YEARS! YEEEEAAAHH!". There more than a few audible boos from the audience.

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Re: Schemmel: "The Ocean Group is doing their own dub"

Post by Big Boss » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:37 pm

Dayspring wrote:
Xyex wrote:When you're under contract you do what the contract says, or you get canned, at the least. The contract for the old dub is no longer of importance, because new material is coming along, and so those involved can say what they want about them without issue. Simple as that.

You see it all the time with movies. People involved hype them up, then once they're away from their contractual obligations, out comes all of the complaints about how it was done.
All true, but it IS still hypocritical of him to bad mouth the other company for being under those same contracts.
Everyone's hypocritical sometime in their life, especially when it comes down to money and your job at stake. I don't really give a crap about what Sean says about the old FUNi, considering what he's just said is what we, on these forums, have been saying for years.

I really don't see what the issue or basis for discussion is here.

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Post by SilverPlaqueVII » Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:45 pm

Clearly, I know Jeremiah Yurk (as you know from Westwood's DBGT) will do Kai soon enough. Either the Canadian production companies will team up with either Atomic Cartoons (Atomic Betty's cast) or even CinéGroupe with their cast along with Westwood/AB to do so if that's the case. That dub can have the choice to air in Europe or Canada (actually, FUNimation is technically North America - US/Canada) in the near future.
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Post by penguintruth » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:26 pm

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The Time Traveller wrote:I'd love Brad Swaile to play Goku in the ocean dub, he was THE best English Gohan, and he has the right pitch at least.
Swaile's voice is a little bit too mellow (Death Note pun not intended) for Goku. In Dragon Drive he didn't sound that great in a role that had a bit of a happy go lucky vibe. He didn't sound bad, just not great. I think if he were to use his Light voice for a villian, that might be something that could work.
Brad Swaile should still be the voice of teen Gohan, but I agree that he's not right for Goku. Neither is Kirby Morrow, though. I mean, I'm basing this off of clips I've seen of Kirby Morrow as Goku, though, I don't have as much experience with his Goku, but it doesn't sound that great. Morrow is one of my favorite VAs, but as Goku, he's also a bit too mellow, and too smooth-sounding, like when Steven Blum voiced him once for a video game.
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Post by SonEric84 » Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:51 pm

penguintruth wrote:Kelamis is better here. It's too bad Terry Klassen's Roshi is so bad.

Man, that voice is all wrong for Roshi. Whatever happened to the guy who used to do Roshi's Ocean dub voice? I liked that one a lot better. (Whoever voiced him in movie 2 was awful too.)
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Post by penguintruth » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:13 pm

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penguintruth wrote:Kelamis is better here. It's too bad Terry Klassen's Roshi is so bad.

Man, that voice is all wrong for Roshi. Whatever happened to the guy who used to do Roshi's Ocean dub voice? I liked that one a lot better. (Whoever voiced him in movie 2 was awful too.)
Well, actually, much like Goku, the voice of Roshi was Ian Corlett, and then Peter Kelamis! Then later Terry Klassen. I guess in Ocean, he's doomed to be voiced by his students!
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Post by JulieYBM » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:16 pm

Funny, the site says Dave Ward voiced Kame-sen'nin. Was this only for the films?
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Post by MajinVejitaXV » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:33 pm

Solarmax20 wrote:I'll talk as loudly as I want now, and I'll be heard. The reason is you're misunderstanding some things about companies and dubbing and how they control our mouths. Just because I was in the original DBZ, doesn't mean I liked it or supported it artistically. We were all frustrated with the old powers that be at Funimation, and for those of you who have never worked in show business professionally, which I would say is, all of you, you may not realize that many companies stance on gag orders is this. "Shut up or be fired."
So...from a completely objective standpoint...what you're saying is you can't be trusted with regards to any positive comments about a show you're currently contractually bound to. I mean, I'm not going to go digging, but I'm positive you've given interviews and the like wherein you said positive things about DragonBall Z...and now a decade later, give or take, you're pulling a 180 and declaring that your hands were contractually bound.

You can see how this presents a problem, I'm sure. :P

And BTW, while it may be a safe bet to say the vast majority of us haven't dealt with show business on a professional level, it's slightly asinine to make a blanket generalization that none of us have. Besides, gag-orders and NDAs extend far beyond show business. I work in the health care industry for instance and I've encountered them quite often with regards to contracts and settlements.
Also, I have a LOT more experience, writing, dubbing, directing and acting in anime than I did when I recorded DBZ the first time. That was my first acting audition. I understand Japanese culture, voice acting, adaptation, the differences between japanese and english significantly more, and, as far as music is concerned I have vast experience in that area, so when I tell you the music will suck, aside from your own subjective experience, I'm pretty qualified to talk about the
suckiness of music or not.
This interests me and I'd love to hear more about it. I've been a musician for 21 years off and on, playing drums and guitar primarily. I'm self-taught and believe I have a good ear, so I'm typically able to discern the good from the bad (and not solely based on technical proficiency, à la Yngwie Malmsteen). While I'm admittedly not a huge fan of your voice over work, I always welcome the opportunity to hear about someone else and their studies/love of music. It would probably help me develop a greater respect for you as a person overall.
Of course to each his own at the end of the day. I will be silent about my opinions no longer. We did the best we could with DBZ with some really really crappy decisions that were made by people, who in my opinion, not only had zero artistic talent and experience, were also trying to appease american audiences to make money because perhaps they thought the Pokemon formula would work for DBZ. If America wasn't so uptight about things and parents didn't allow the tv to babysit their children, perhaps more shows would come the U.S. and be uncut. At the end of the day, I am, and have always been a freelance actor, and just because I work for a company doesn't mean I support their decisions. This is the first time I have supported Funi's decisions publicly, and the staff at Funi is now amazing. It's a completely different company.

Have a nice day.

-Sean Schemmel
Alright, allow me to make a simple counter then.

I appreciate your need to maintain employment and not be outwardly hostile towards FUNimation "back in the day." I fully understand that FUNimation made many poor choices and that you had little or nothing to do with them. I also respect that you have grown as an actor and in fields that correlate to that. I'm happy that you feel you've become more cultured. And yes, America has a strange view when it comes to television and the role it plays in raising children. I agree with you 100%, as I think almost all of us would.

The problem is your approach, in my opinion. You'll note many of your peers who have been in the industry much longer have a decidedly greater amount of couth. I'm not busting your balls but I do feel like you've come out here basically to completely waive any responsibility you had with regards to the old dub, grandstand about how much experience you've gained and how much more knowledgeable you must therefore be than any other member of this community.

And, in all honesty, to me this is the same tone you had ten years ago in interviews and on Planet Namek's website. I think that's my chief concern here. Your experience in a multitude of facets of the industry hasn't served to humble you, but rather to give you ammunition to assert a sort of superiority over the fans you depend on for your livelihood. Maybe it's just me, but that seems...not too bright. And I'm assuming that's why most of your colleagues in the industry don't use the same "nuclear missile to kill a house fly" approach. People who already have some sort of bias against you aren't going to be wooed by an approach like this, if anything you might have people on the fence decide to jump onto the side against you because you come off as arrogant.

After all, remember that your presence here was apparently provoked by a single member who will realistically have no bearing on the overall opinion of how your performance is in this or any other show. Most would see this and realize that his comments will fade in obscurity, save for among those who already shared his opinion. So, why give him more publicity?

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Post by Gaffer Tape » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:31 pm

Wow, that was... all kinds of joyous to read. Blows my one-off remark of "condescending" out of the water...
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Post by penguintruth » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:40 pm

JulieYBM wrote:Funny, the site says Dave Ward voiced Kame-sen'nin. Was this only for the films?
Just for the second film.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.


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