Schemmel: "The Ocean Group is doing their own dub"

[Gozar]

You know, I've got to say. Even as a Dub Fan and a Schemmel Fan...I think Mr.Schemmel is coming off as very rude here. I know this is a double standard, but bashing what Ocean will be doing just seems very disrespectful to people in your very field. I mean they're both artists trying their best to do a job for the exact same franchise. It reminds me of when Terry Klassen gave some snide remarks regarding Sonny Strait. It made me lose all respect for Mr. Klassen.

[Mewzard]

Well, I don't take it as an attack on the the voices, or them doing a dub, so much as falling into the same trap that many earlier dubs did that he finds distasteful. He probably cited Ocean doing such things to Kai because he can't do so to 4Kids, whom he works with a decent amount of the time, without getting in deep shit. Basically, he wants to be critical of certain things in the industry he doesn't like, but also wants to work for a living.

[Innagadadavida]

You know, I've got to say. Even as a Dub Fan and a Schemmel Fan...I think Mr.Schemmel is coming off as very rude here. I know this is a double standard, but bashing what Ocean will be doing just seems very disrespectful to people in your very field. I mean they're both artists trying their best to do a job for the exact same franchise. It reminds me of when Terry Klassen gave some snide remarks regarding Sonny Strait. It made me lose all respect for Mr. Klassen.

He said he has the upmost respect for the artists. He criticized the direction and treatment of the series.

[Gozar]

You know, I've got to say. Even as a Dub Fan and a Schemmel Fan...I think Mr.Schemmel is coming off as very rude here. I know this is a double standard, but bashing what Ocean will be doing just seems very disrespectful to people in your very field. I mean they're both artists trying their best to do a job for the exact same franchise. It reminds me of when Terry Klassen gave some snide remarks regarding Sonny Strait. It made me lose all respect for Mr. Klassen.

He said he has the upmost respect for the artists. He criticized the direction and treatment of the series.

I'm referring to his comments on the music. Actors and Musicians are both artists of sorts and they're both working on the same series. It just seems unprofessional.

[KaiserNeko]

You know, I've got to say. Even as a Dub Fan and a Schemmel Fan...I think Mr.Schemmel is coming off as very rude here. I know this is a double standard, but bashing what Ocean will be doing just seems very disrespectful to people in your very field. I mean they're both artists trying their best to do a job for the exact same franchise. It reminds me of when Terry Klassen gave some snide remarks regarding Sonny Strait. It made me lose all respect for Mr. Klassen.

He said he has the upmost respect for the artists. He criticized the direction and treatment of the series.

I'm referring to his comments on the music. Actors and Musicians are both artists of sorts and they're both working on the same series. It just seems unprofessional.

Well, to be fair, the last time Ocean touched DragonBall Z, they used some pretty terrible music from other shows. Yes, here I am insulting the music from those shows now, but... I'll be honest, the music in Megaman was pretty terrible and Monster Rancher wasn't that much better off. Furthermore, it's lazy as hell.

[NeoKING]

Oh, please. Let's not be fanboy-dramatic with whining about someone else's proverbial "asshurt". You're not going to be taken seriously if that's all you can bring to the table.

Lol. As dandy as that is, I really don't give a flying one about being "taken seriously on what I can bring to the table." I just don't get how anyone can expect someone to sound exactly like Masako Nozawa in completely different language and have it not sound awkward. Then again, I forgot who I'm dealing with - the hardcore DB fanbase can be the most demanding, lol.

Oh well, I don't mind. Goku's supposed to be a cocky, tough kid in GT, and Zoe Slusar made him sound like a cocky, tough kid in GT. I don't care if she doesn't go "OSSU! WAKU-WAKU SURU ZE!!" just like in the original Japanese, her performance is fine by me. And obviously she must have done well, seeing how she does Ocean Studios dubs now too.

[ohaimynameiserik]

Well, to be fair, the last time Ocean touched DragonBall Z, they used some pretty terrible music from other shows. Yes, here I am insulting the music from those shows now, but... I'll be honest, the music in Megaman was pretty terrible and Monster Rancher wasn't that much better off. Furthermore, it's lazy as hell.

This. I'm thinking some of you are are actually forgetting that Ocean did treat the series like shit, and are basically taking advantage of the opportunity to say how unprofessional Schemmel was being. Especially since he was telling the truth, and basically repeating what we've all thought for the past decade and a half.

[Xyex]

This. I'm thinking some of you are are actually forgetting that Ocean did treat the series like shit, and are basically taking advantage of the opportunity to say how unprofessional Schemmel was being. Especially since he was telling the truth, and basically repeating what we've all thought for the past decade and a half.

It's a catch 22 damned if you do, damned if you don't, situation. He's getting flak for not speaking out about it sooner, and getting flak for speaking out about it at all. You make the criticisms you can, when you can, and that's all you can do. Seriously, 'unprofessional' would have been calling everyone at Ocean talentless hacks or something. Not saying that you actually like their work, but do not like the treatment their version will be giving to the show. And it's not like he's saying what FUNi did before is better than what Ocean would be doing now. He derides it just as much.

[penguintruth]

Ocean did treat the series like shit

Funimation produced the first dub. They were calling the shots. It was them treating the series like shit. And when they started doing things themselves? They still treated it like shit.

Funimation has, up until recently, treated the series like shit. It's not Ocean's fault.

[JulieYBM]

Ocean did treat the series like shit

Funimation produced the first dub. They were calling the shots. It was them treating the series like shit. And when they started doing things themselves? They still treated it like shit.

Funimation has, up until recently, treated the series like shit. It's not Ocean's fault.

And Ocean did cooridinate the #123-291 dub...so...well, we can blame them for that. Should, more like...

[penguintruth]

Ocean did treat the series like shit

Funimation produced the first dub. They were calling the shots. It was them treating the series like shit. And when they started doing things themselves? They still treated it like shit.

Funimation has, up until recently, treated the series like shit. It's not Ocean's fault.

And Ocean did cooridinate the #123-291 dub...so...well, we can blame them for that. Should, more like...

In my opinion, it was no worse than the in-house Funimation dub of that material, aside from the Mega Man music.

[Dark Vegeta-Sama]

Ocean did treat the series like shit

Funimation produced the first dub. They were calling the shots. It was them treating the series like shit. And when they started doing things themselves? They still treated it like shit.

Funimation has, up until recently, treated the series like shit. It's not Ocean's fault.

And Ocean did cooridinate the #123-291 dub...so...well, we can blame them for that. Should, more like...

Westwood's 123-291 dub was a very low-budget production meant to capitalize on the fact that international audiences hated FUNimation's in-house voices in season 3. Because it was a low-budget dub, they could sell it to the TV stations for significantly less money as well. Recycling music was all about saving money, just as FUNi using Faulconer's music back in the day was about making money rather than forking over more cash to Toei to use the original Japanese score. It may suck for the fans, but it's simple economics.

That said, none of this is the cast's fault. And granted, due to the low production and rushed schedule of the Westwood/Airwaves Studios (Ocean) dub, the actors were not being directed to give their best performances, but the quality of voice actors like Brian Drummond and Scott McNeil, even at their worst, is still a lot better than Chris Sabat even on his best day. Hence why so many people will defend the Ocean dub despite all its faults. The voices are better, period, because they are industry veterans.

[KaiserNeko]

In my opinion, it was no worse than the in-house Funimation dub of that material, aside from the Mega Man music.

It was worse, though. I've heard about the production for the Internation versions. They rushed those episodes horribly and the direction was awful. At least the actors at FUNimation were putting in good, solid performances, despite the actual direction and dialogue. Ocean just took FUNi's script, got back most of the old actors, censored the dialogue a little more and then rushed them through production.

If you couldn't already tell, anyway. The acting in the international Ocean dub version was -bad.-

That said, none of this is the cast's fault. And granted, due to the low production and rushed schedule of the Westwood/Airwaves Studios (Ocean) dub, the actors were not being directed to give their best performances, but the quality of voice actors like Brian Drummond and Scott McNeil, even at their worst, is still a lot better than Chris Sabat even on his best day. Hence why so many people will defend the Ocean dub despite all its faults. The voices are better, period, because they are industry veterans.

Ok, while I'll entire agree with you that it's none of the casts fault, it's incredibly unfair to start bashing Sabat like that. Sabat IS a veteran now, he's a talented and complex actor, he cares a lot about the series, and I actually prefer his acting and performance in DBZ than McNeil and Drummmond's in the Ocean international version even though I prefer both McNeil and Drummond as those characters.

[JulieYBM]

I'd say there's hardly a difference. Sabat, McNeil, and Drummond were all playing cartoony characterizations of the characters, and experienced be damned, Drummond and McNeil proved with #123-291 that they can't just do the one take and produce a product anywhere near being worthy of being called 'good'. I don't know if these same rushed practices will be used for Ocean's supposed dub of Dragon Ball Kai, but it's looking pretty clear that the FUNimation dub of Dragon Ball Kai will be better than either studios' dubs of Dragon Ball Z.

[The Tori-bot]

And Ocean did cooridinate the #123-291 dub...so...well, we can blame them for that. Should, more like...

That was Blue Water. Ocean just did the voice work.

[Dark Vegeta-Sama]

Ok, while I'll entire agree with you that it's none of the casts fault, it's incredibly unfair to start bashing Sabat like that. Sabat IS a veteran now, he's a talented and complex actor, he cares a lot about the series, and I actually prefer his acting and performance in DBZ than McNeil and Drummmond's in the Ocean international version even though I prefer both McNeil and Drummond as those characters.

I'm talking more about back around the year 2000-2001 when the Westwood/Ocean dub started being produced as a response to the negative reception of season 3. At that time, there's no question that FUNi's actors were inexperienced and didn't compare to Ocean's more professional cast.

If we're talking nowadays, a decade later, sure, I definitely respect Sabat's love for the series and am curious as to how he'll perform in Kai. And for me, that's saying a lot, because I've always been an Ocean guy, but for the first time ever I'm actually looking forward to seeing FUNi's dub (of Kai). They finally seem to have gotten it right.

I don't know if these same rushed practices will be used for Ocean's supposed dub of Dragon Ball Kai, but it's looking pretty clear that the FUNimation dub of Dragon Ball Kai will be better than either studios' dubs of Dragon Ball Z.

That's pretty much a given, yeah. It's the first time that FUNi can honestly say that they're producing a quality product in regards to DBZ.

[penguintruth]

At least the actors at FUNimation were putting in good, solid performances,

Sure, sure. I was riveted by Tiffany Vollmer's amazing performance as Bulma.

[KaiserNeko]

At least the actors at FUNimation were putting in good, solid performances,

Sure, sure. I was riveted by Tiffany Vollmer's amazing performance as Bulma.

Hey!

Hey.

... Yeah, I'll give you that. Was never a huge fan of Tiffany, God bless her. Same goes for a select few who just... lord help'em...

[Blue]

At least the actors at FUNimation were putting in good, solid performances,

Sure, sure. I was riveted by Tiffany Vollmer's amazing performance as Bulma.

With the exception of the Boo saga I have to say the voice work was equally as terrible, just in different ways.

[Dark Vegeta-Sama]

At least the actors at FUNimation were putting in good, solid performances,

Sure, sure. I was riveted by Tiffany Vollmer's amazing performance as Bulma.

She was one of three FUNi voices that annoyed me the most. Thankfully, two of them are being replaced for Kai. The new Kai Bulma is a million times better.