Schemmel: "The Ocean Group is doing their own dub"

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Ocean did treat the series like shit

For seasons 1 and 2, Ocean was just doing the voices and I think they did a pretty good job of them


When they took over from FUNimation in the Trunks saga, that was when they treated the series like shit. The voice actors were no where near the standards they were in Seasons 1 and 2, it was edited more than FUNi's dub and they recycled shitty music from other series they did.

[penguintruth]

I wonder what cartoon Ocean's done recently that they'll be taking music from.

[Innagadadavida]

It'll have to be something Canadian. They need that 5% of original material to make it on TV. What a stupid goddamn law.

[Dayspring]

It'll have to be something Canadian. They need that 5% of original material to make it on TV. What a stupid goddamn law.

That's just not true at all, though. Or, if it ever was, it's changed considerably since.

Current TV Cancon laws:
1) 60% of what airs between 6:00am and midnight needs to be Cancon.
2) 50% of what airs between 6:00pm and midnight needs to be Cancon. (CBC, being the national broadcaster, needs 60%)
3) 0% of what airs between midnight and 6:00am needs to be Cancon.
4) If a Canadian Production that is a drama with key Canadian creative roles airs between 7:00pm and 11:00pm, it can count as 125% Cancon if it's half an hour and 150% if it's a full hour in length (To be considered a Canadian Production, at least 50% of the financial risk and at least 50% of the profits needs to belong to a Canadian production company).
5) Canadian-Foreign Co-Productions count towards Cancon requirements, but only in part (depends how much of it is Canadian).

There's also a bunch of laws involving commercials needing to be Canadian, but I don't know them all because nobody cares as it's always a win-win (outside the Super Bowl) for Canadian broadcasters to air Canadian commercials. The only law I know is that the Super Bowl must have Canadian commercials only.

Kai will obviously be a Canadian-Foreign Co-Production, since it's a dub of a completely foreign show. If they're doing their own music, it's because they can't afford the original score, so rather than pay for another foreign score, they can claim a higher Cancon percentage by putting something Canadian. So if you must knock them for not having the original score, please be more lenient if they make an original score. If they rehash from other shows, I'll be right there bitching with you.

[B]

Wait, so a company could theoretically crap out a Degrassi knockoff, put it at 7pm, air Lost and Heroes all day if they wanted, and fit the law?

[Innagadadavida]

Wait, so a company could theoretically crap out a Degrassi knockoff, put it at 7pm, air Lost and Heroes all day if they wanted, and fit the law?

That might explain why that terrible show exists in the first place, much less why it went on for so damn long.

[Dayspring]

Wait, so a company could theoretically crap out a Degrassi knockoff, put it at 7pm, air Lost and Heroes all day if they wanted, and fit the law?

That might explain why that terrible show exists in the first place, much less why it went on for so damn long.

Ehhh, no. It'd be 125% Cancon for that show, not the daily requirements. So out of your 60% of 18 hours minimum daily, Degrassi at 7:00 would count as 37.5 minutes worth instead of just 30, because it's 100% of 30 minutes + 25% of 30 minutes.

Take Being Erica. It's completely Canadian, so it would be 100% Cancon, meaning a full 60 minutes of your 648 minutes. As it's a Drama, airing it between 7:00pm and 11:00pm would let you count it as 90 minutes, since an hour of Canadian-produced drama in that timelot gets to count as 150%. So even though you only broadcasted 60 minutes of Cancon, you used up 90 minutes of your quota. But yeah, two hours of Canadian-produced drama between that timeframe would count as putting your entire quota for the 50% between 6:00pm-midnight. That's why there's so many American shows in Canadian primetime slots. It's reached the point where, when I get television (downloading's not the same!), I'm not going to bother getting ABC and CBS. Might skip NBC, too.

[Adamant]

The Cancon law isn't stupid, people. It exists for the support of the Canadian entertainment industry, so producers know they can produce material without worrying that they'll be outcompeted by cheaper, foreign alternatives. All countries have laws like that when necessary.

[Innagadadavida]

Well now you're getting into politics. I don't agree that it's a good thing to control the media that way. Be it Canada, United States, or any other country. If Canada wants their original programming on the air, make good shows. Not Degrassi .

At any rate, that stupid law is part of the reason the Ocean dub of Dragon Ball Kai is getting a replacement score. It's not important whether or not the score is good or bad, it's unnecessary. It's there to please the people who control the media, not the people who will enjoy the show.

[Dayspring]

Well now you're getting into politics. I don't agree that it's a good thing to control the media that way. Be it Canada, United States, or any other country. If Canada wants their original programming on the air, make good shows. Not Degrassi .

At any rate, that stupid law is part of the reason the Ocean dub of Dragon Ball Kai is getting a replacement score. It's not important whether or not the score is good or bad, it's unnecessary. It's there to please the people who control the media, not the people who will enjoy the show.

Funding, funding and more funding. We equal 10% of the American population. Hollywood is the world's leading TV and movie production location, which is in the US. We have less risk takers and, out of the ones that we do have, they have less capital than their American counterparts. You're basically saying we should do the equivalent of telling Mom and Pop stores to have better funding, marketing and distribution than Wal-Mart. Can a Mom and Pop survive when competing against Wal-Mart? Sure. But they won't even make a dent in Wal-Mart's earnings.

And clearly Cancon requirements work. Montreal's numerous arts and television productions are WORLD famous, not just Canadian famous. CBC produces big hits like Being Erica, Little Mosque On The Prairie and the televised versions of Canada's major comedy festivals. CTV brings us Corner Gas and Degrassi (whether you like Degrassi or not), and is a co-production company on Vampire Diaries and countless other American shows. I can't even begin to describe how monumental Nelvana has been in the animation industry since it first began; it's even dominating US airwaves with most of its current shows.

As for the music score change being completely unnessecary, that's your bias as a DB fan. Personally I want English dubs to be identical except for the fact that spoken audio is now in English. But it makes economic sense for the company to switch the music, because they don't have the funding to use it. So instead of trying to raise funds and therefore take a much bigger risk, they're saving money in a way that makes the show more sellable. Only the hardcore fans will care about the change. Without it, Kai may never get picked up in Canada at all.

[Xyex]

And if things go as they did before, anyone who wants the original JP music only has to buy the DVDs anyway, since later Ocean never got a DVD release (FUNi has those rights, don't they?) and Kai is likely to be the same. Granted, Ocean fans will then have to make do with the FUNi cast instead, but they'll have the original music (and possibly a more accurate script).

[ohaimynameiserik]

Ocean did treat the series like shit

For seasons 1 and 2, Ocean was just doing the voices and I think they did a pretty good job of them


When they took over from FUNimation in the Trunks saga, that was when they treated the series like shit. The voice actors were no where near the standards they were in Seasons 1 and 2, it was edited more than FUNi's dub and they recycled shitty music from other series they did.

Well I personally cannot bear to watch 1 full episode of any Ocean DBZ. Same thing with FUNi DBZ aside from UUC or the Boo arc with Japanese BGM.

But Ocean even more so.

[Dayspring]

And if things go as they did before, anyone who wants the original JP music only has to buy the DVDs anyway, since later Ocean never got a DVD release (FUNi has those rights, don't they?) and Kai is likely to be the same. Granted, Ocean fans will then have to make do with the FUNi cast instead, but they'll have the original music (and possibly a more accurate script).

Not sure anymore who has the DVD rights in Canada, but I don't see someone comissioning Ocean for a DVD release. Unless Kai shows up on Teletoon.

[Dayspring]

Ocean did treat the series like shit

For seasons 1 and 2, Ocean was just doing the voices and I think they did a pretty good job of them


When they took over from FUNimation in the Trunks saga, that was when they treated the series like shit. The voice actors were no where near the standards they were in Seasons 1 and 2, it was edited more than FUNi's dub and they recycled shitty music from other series they did.

Well I personally cannot bear to watch 1 full episode of any Ocean DBZ. Same thing with FUNi DBZ aside from UUC or the Boo arc with Japanese BGM.

But Ocean even more so.

In all fairness, that was then, this is now. We're not going to assume the FUNi version of Kai is at most as good FUNi's worst version of Z, so why are people doing that with Ocean? It completely depends on who's paying them to do what, as well as if what they did in the past worked out negatively or positively for their goals.

[linkdude20002001]

And Ocean did cooridinate the #123-291 dub...so...well, we can blame them for that. Should, more like...

That was Blue Water. Ocean just did the voice work.

No, Blue Water Studios is the recording studio where DB and DBGT were dubbed. The English dub of DBZ (as well as DB and DBGT) was produced by Westwood Media in association with Ocean Productions and AB Groupe. Ocean Productions was not in charge of the dub any more than they were during the FUNi/Ocean dub.

[SylentEcho]

This is good news. I hope they get Jason Gray Stanford to do Raditz again. He was the only good Raditz I've ever heard apart from Shigeru Chiba. If they get Ian Corlett to do Goku again, it would be awesome, but if they replace Brian Drummond, then I'm not watching.

[SilverPlaqueVII]

And Ocean did cooridinate the #123-291 dub...so...well, we can blame them for that. Should, more like...

That was Blue Water. Ocean just did the voice work.

No, Blue Water Studios is the recording studio where DB and DBGT were dubbed. The English dub of DBZ (as well as DB and DBGT) was produced by Westwood Media in association with Ocean Productions and AB Groupe. Ocean Productions was not in charge of the dub any more than they were during the FUNi/Ocean dub.

I get 10 cents of this. Ocean Productions is also called Ocean Sound Corp. As well, the scripts are far from perfect. FUNimation dub with the 1996 Ocean cast is maybe called the "Pioneer dub" and were supplied by the now-defunct Geneon.

On second thought, i'll watch the FUNimation dub of the Dragon Ball series instead.

[El Diabeetus]

This may be interesting to some. Someone on Seán Schemmel's fanclub wall on Facebook, they re-asked "Are you sure Ocean's dubbing it?" response "Actually I'm not sure about that..." So, this might not even happen now...

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2328268374

Three posts down.

[SSJmole]

I hope this happens. Only reason is I'm pretty sure they won't show Funimation's dub here in the UK. But this dub is a lot more likely to show here.

[Dayspring]

This may be interesting to some. Someone on Seán Schemmel's fanclub wall on Facebook, they re-asked "Are you sure Ocean's dubbing it?" response "Actually I'm not sure about that..." So, this might not even happen now...

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2328268374

Three posts down.

He's not even sure?! Yet he badmouthed them anyway?! What a douche!