The Merits of Dragonball GT

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Re: The Merits of Dragonball GT

Post by Cipher » Wed May 05, 2010 4:44 am

NeoKING wrote:I forgot to mention this, but there's another aspect I like about GT, and it concerns Goku. Although he's become a kid again in GT, we get to see a side of him that we've rarely - if never - seen in the other two series. One may argue that this may be Out-Of-Character for Son Goku, but in GT Goku's really cocky - to the extent that he holds back his true power on most of his enemies for nearly the entire first half of the series. This is most likely because he has over 50 years of fighting experience that he's always ready to see everything the opponent can do. Now, I'm not talking about Goku's usual love of fighting; I mean a quasi-Vegetto-like cockiness. You'll see what I mean.

Not only that, but even when he's on the verge of dying, Goku tends to "pack it in;" that is, he knows when he's defeated and is ready to die at anytime during GT. I've seen him do this three times in GT, but the third time was more hinted that than explicitly shown.

It's not all that like the Goku we've come to know, but it's an interesting side of him that we wouldn't really see otherwise. I think they did the Kid Goku GT thing perfectly, instead of just making his personality and character a copy-pasta Kid Goku from Dragon Ball.
You could call all of that out-of-character, but it's really where Goku should be by that point. It's the same situation he's been in since Buu's defeat: He's attained power greater than the gods and nothing can challenge or interest him anymore. In the manga, Uub relieved this, but obviously in the anime that didn't pan out as a permanent solution. He has to have as much fun as he can with the weaker opponents, and when ones stronger than him miraculously show up and are able to beat him down, he's comfortable with the idea of losing to them. Which is kinda/sorta what happens.

Goku's always been an adrenaline junkie. How's it going to affect him when there's literally nothing that can still thrill him?

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Re: The Merits of Dragonball GT

Post by EnmaDaiou » Wed May 05, 2010 9:17 pm

Rocketman wrote:GT doesn't deserve any credit for the theme music because it has nothing to do with GT. It's just some crappy boy band song slapped over animation that happens to be Dragonball.
But they are part of GT..
Someone chose them to be part of GT.

But I know it does not turn GT better..

I just like the OP and ED..

Specially BLUE VELVET.
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Re: The Merits of Dragonball GT

Post by Kaboom » Wed May 05, 2010 11:45 pm

Rocketman wrote:GT doesn't deserve any credit for the theme music because it has nothing to do with GT. It's just some crappy boy band song slapped over animation that happens to be Dragonball.
They're romance songs. Toei is declaring its undying admiration for Son Goku.
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Re: The Merits of Dragonball GT

Post by Chuquita » Thu May 06, 2010 12:46 am

Kaboom wrote:
Rocketman wrote:GT doesn't deserve any credit for the theme music because it has nothing to do with GT. It's just some crappy boy band song slapped over animation that happens to be Dragonball.
They're romance songs. Toei is declaring its undying admiration for Son Goku.
That makes me imagine some Toei executive at a karaoke bar singing those types of songs to Goku while poor Goku stands off to the side looking completely confused.


As for GT's merits.....I liked the IDEA of the cast traveling through space; though I'd rather have it been Goku, Goten, Trunks, and Vegeta in that ship instead.

I also thought Bebi was fairly creepy, as was the act of him literally changing Vegeta's body structure.

I also liked the IDEA of a set of evil dragons, but none of the dragons themselves were intimidating and evil enough for me.

Blue Velvet's a good song, and that final ED song is really nice in a melancholy way.
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Re: The Merits of Dragonball GT

Post by jda95 » Thu May 06, 2010 2:46 am

Chuquita wrote:I also liked the IDEA of a set of evil dragons, but none of the dragons themselves were intimidating and evil enough for me..
It was kind of ridiculous. About half of them were designed to be comical, and the others just suffered from poor designs. The only cool ones were Si (and San), as well as Yi, of course. But even then, Yi had good potential, and he had a great seiyu and some great attacks, but I still feel they tossed him aside too quickly.

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Re: The Merits of Dragonball GT

Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Thu May 06, 2010 3:42 am

Rocketman wrote:GT doesn't deserve any credit for the theme music because it has nothing to do with GT. It's just some crappy boy band song slapped over animation that happens to be Dragonball.
Just because the theme songs have nothing to do with the series, doesn't mean they're bad. Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku is an awesome song no matter what animation it's "slapped over".

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Re: The Merits of Dragonball GT

Post by NeoKING » Thu May 06, 2010 1:43 pm

Chuquita wrote:
As for GT's merits.....I liked the IDEA of the cast traveling through space; though I'd rather have it been Goku, Goten, Trunks, and Vegeta in that ship instead.
But then it wouldn't have that original Dragon Ball charm. In fact, there wouldn't even be much of a story to anything seeing how Goku and Vegeta would just take care of all the enemies without a problem, even with Goku as a kid. I think the reason they did Goku-Pan-Trunks is so that the group could be balanced and actually allow believable plots.
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Chuquita wrote:I also liked the IDEA of a set of evil dragons, but none of the dragons themselves were intimidating and evil enough for me..
It was kind of ridiculous. About half of them were designed to be comical, and the others just suffered from poor designs. The only cool ones were Si (and San), as well as Yi, of course. But even then, Yi had good potential, and he had a great seiyu and some great attacks, but I still feel they tossed him aside too quickly.
I think the reason they made them Monsters-of-the-Weeks is because if they actually focused on making all seven Dragons hardcore Freeza/Cell-level badasses, the battles and plot would be stretched even longer and as you all know Japan wasn't loving GT, so they didn't feel too compelled to extend their failure of a series.

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Re: The Merits of Dragonball GT

Post by Gaffer Tape » Thu May 06, 2010 1:52 pm

I agree. I've only watched that part of the series once, and I can't say the memories have stuck with me that clearly, but how tedious would it have been to have had seven villains, with each one of them taking ten or so episodes to defeat? Makes me wretch just thinking about it.
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Re: The Merits of Dragonball GT

Post by Silver Sinspawn » Fri May 07, 2010 12:26 am

Gaffer Tape wrote:I agree. I've only watched that part of the series once, and I can't say the memories have stuck with me that clearly, but how tedious would it have been to have had seven villains, with each one of them taking ten or so episodes to defeat? Makes me wretch just thinking about it.
Actually the first few only took an episode or so.
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Re: The Merits of Dragonball GT

Post by Gaffer Tape » Fri May 07, 2010 12:32 am

Um, I know... that was my point. The fact that they didn't each take several episodes to defeat was a good thing. See what I'm saying?
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Re: The Merits of Dragonball GT

Post by Dr. Casey » Fri May 07, 2010 12:44 am

I think GT's main merit is that it's a great series. I've only watched the first 16 episodes, but so far I have no complaints.

And Pan was chosen for the trip because she was part of the newest line of protagonists and it makes sense to give exposure to the character that hasn't done anything yet. Trunks was pretty random, though. I'd have expected Goku-Pan-Uub if anything (Main character plus newest protagonists) considering Dragon Ball's revolving door nature, where characters generally get the most attention whenever new.
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Re: The Merits of Dragonball GT

Post by Silver Sinspawn » Fri May 07, 2010 12:49 am

Gaffer Tape wrote:Um, I know... that was my point. The fact that they didn't each take several episodes to defeat was a good thing. See what I'm saying?
Oh right. I totally didn't read your post :lol:
Sorry.
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