Schemmel: "The Ocean Group is doing their own dub"

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

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Anyways, we don't even know what company licensed Kai. I'm hoping it's FUNi that's making the Ocean dub. It'd mean we'd the same awesome script for both voice casts. I'm being to hopeful, I know.

I'd say the closest Funimation will get to Oceans product is publishing rights. They might, at the most(from what you guys have told me) produce a DVD set with Oceans Dub on it and demand a cut of the profit. At the very least, and the most likely option(based on what you guys have told me), is that DVDs/Blu-Rays will be exactly the same as they are in the US.

My dream, would be to have a release that offered Ocean, Funi, and the Original audio track. Not only would that make everyone happy but I'd be able to have fun comparing all three on one Disc.

[Dayspring]

Actually, I think it's more the fact that they don't have a choice. Westwood doesn't have the home video rights to the series. FUNi has those in North America and I'm unsure who's got the Europe rights. So while they can make a dub, they're not allowed to release it to the home video market. Thus, TV is the only option.

Had Westwood Media wanted, they could've gotten the rights. AB Groupe holds the rights for most of Europe, and they're the company that Westwood got the rights to dub DBZ from, so they could've gotten the rights at the same time. Maybe it was too expensive, though? Well, you'd think it'd be worth it since DBZ prints money.

Anyways, we don't even know what company licensed Kai. I'm hoping it's FUNi that's making the Ocean dub. It'd mean we'd the same awesome script for both voice casts. I'm being to hopeful, I know.

That's not the same. FUNi has a huge foothold in Canada because it's part of North America. It also has much to lose if Canada has a competing dub, but not as much if there's one in Europe. Plus FUNi may have had the option to renew their rights prior to it going to market. On top of all this, FUNi has more capital to invest than Westwood if it came to competition for rights.

[mrzisawesome]

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Anyways, we don't even know what company licensed Kai. I'm hoping it's FUNi that's making the Ocean dub. It'd mean we'd the same awesome script for both voice casts. I'm being to hopeful, I know.

I'd say the closest Funimation will get to Oceans product is publishing rights. They might, at the most(from what you guys have told me) produce a DVD set with Oceans Dub on it and demand a cut of the profit. At the very least, and the most likely option(based on what you guys have told me), is that DVDs/Blu-Rays will be exactly the same as they are in the US.

My dream, would be to have a release that offered Ocean, Funi, and the Original audio track. Not only would that make everyone happy but I'd be able to have fun comparing all three on one Disc.

Yes, I would buy that.

The only way I would watch Funi's version is for free. The Ocean dub and Japanese versions are the best. Sean Schemmel loses to Kirby Morrow IMO, and I greatly prefer Drummond to/over Sabat.

[RazorX]

There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding the Ocean dub of Dragon Ball Z.

Due to fan outrage at the Funimation dub resulting in falling ratings, the Ocean Group were brought back to continue with DBZ. As well as that, AB Groupe are the license holders of the Dragon Ball franchise, they saw how great DBZ was doing on TV in the UK and Holland, they wanted their own English dub, and who better to dub DBZ than the Ocean Group, AB Groupe gave Ocean the job of dubbing DBZ and AB Groupe supplied the episodes for broadcast in UK, Europe, Canada and other countries.

As far as I know, the Ocean dub didnt have anything to do with Canada's cancon law. For starters, Canada didnt even get the Ocean dub until mid Cell Games, when Ocean had started all the way back to the latter half of the Trunks saga. I heard that Funimation wernt treating YTV well, and of course a superior dub produced in Canada must've been an attraction as well, so YTV purchased the Ocean dub.

As for an Ocean Group dub of Dragon Ball Kai, that is brilliant news and I'd say undoubtedly the Ocean Group will blow Funimation out of the water as they did with DBZ.

*slow blink*

I am interested in this. Very much so.

Does anybody know who stuck around from the Ocean cast through the whole run in Eurpoe and so? I know Scott was there the whole time, but what about people like Brian and Ted Cole?

If this came out on dvd with a good script I'd be pouncing on this bitch. I'd wade through anything to get to watch the series accurately with Scott as Pic.

Brian Drummond and Ted Cole stayed until the end of DBZ, most of Ocean's original cast did.

I'll talk as loudly as I want now, and I'll be heard. The reason is you're misunderstanding some things about companies and dubbing and how they control our mouths. Just because I was in the original DBZ, doesn't mean I liked it or supported it artistically. We were all frustrated with the old powers that be at Funimation, and for those of you who have never worked in show business professionally, which I would say is, all of you, you may not realize that many companies stance on gag orders is this. "Shut up or be fired."

Of course, you're free to voice your opinions, but it would be better if you elaborate on why you arent too fond of Ocean's new music for Kai, and did you like Ocean's music for DBZ?

if not we'll wind up with Yamcha and Trunks having the same voice actor...

Matthew Ericson voiced Trunks. Victor Atelevich voiced Yamcha.

that they're a B-list / C-list studio should tell you something right off the bat.

Who decided they're a B-list/C-list studio? Their dub of Dragon Ball was phenomenal.

[VegettoEX]

Who decided they're a B-list/C-list studio? Their dub of Dragon Ball was phenomenal.

The fact that they're most often given B-list/C-list anime to dub decided that they're a B-list/C-list studio.

Or rather, the folks in charge of producing those dubs.

Or rather, the audience that cares so little about those shows which in turn determines how little effort goes into them.

It's a brutal cycle .

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

The fact that they're most often given B-list/C-list anime to dub decided that they're a B-list/C-list studio.

Really? InuYasha and Death Note are B-list/C-list Anime?

[penguintruth]

Gundam is C-list?

I think Ocean is probably a middle-of-the-road dub studio, but I don't think more of Funimation.

[VegettoEX]

The fact that they're most often given B-list/C-list anime to dub decided that they're a B-list/C-list studio.

Really? InuYasha and Death Note are B-list/C-list Anime?

Did Blue Water handle those...? Those particular dubs got all the big-name, standard, A-list Ocean Group voices (Drummond, Swaile, Klassen, Cox, etc.).

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Did Blue Water handle those...? Those particular dubs got all the big-name, standard, A-list Ocean Group voices (Drummond, Swaile, Klassen, Cox, etc.).

Nope, Ocean Studios did those dubs.

[VegettoEX]

Did Blue Water handle those...? Those particular dubs got all the big-name, standard, A-list Ocean Group voices (Drummond, Swaile, Klassen, Cox, etc.).

Nope, Ocean Studios did those dubs.

Well that's what I'm talking about, then -- that was my exact point. Not sure what the relevance of that little discussion was .

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Well that's what I'm talking about, then -- that was my exact point. Not sure what the relevance of that little discussion was .

Sorry, I'm finding it hard to understand your two previous posts.


Let me get this straight. You said that Ocean Studios are given C-list/B-list Anime to dub, and I said that they are given great Anime to dub such as Death Note and InuYasha. Saying that Ocean Studios is only given small, mostly unknown titles is completely false.

[VegettoEX]

No, I specifically said that Blue Water (the related, side-studio in conjunction with Ocean) is given the B-list/C-list anime, which in turn makes them a B-list/C-list studio that produces B-list/C-list dubs.

[penguintruth]

Oh, sorry.

Blue Water isn't even C-list. Blue Water is more like D-list. AnimeEigo laughs at Blue Water.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

No, I specifically said that Blue Water (the related, side-studio in conjunction with Ocean) is given the B-list/C-list anime, which in turn makes them a B-list/C-list studio that produces B-list/C-list dubs.

Oh, okay then.


P.S Whether the dub of an Anime is B-list or C-list or not, has nothing to do with the actual Anime itself being B-list or C-list. There could be a bad Anime that no one has heard of, that gets a phenominal, accurate dub.

[RazorX]

Who decided they're a B-list/C-list studio? Their dub of Dragon Ball was phenomenal.

The fact that they're most often given B-list/C-list anime to dub decided that they're a B-list/C-list studio.

Or rather, the folks in charge of producing those dubs.

Or rather, the audience that cares so little about those shows which in turn determines how little effort goes into them.

It's a brutal cycle .

I see. Well, Dragon Ball GT was moved to Blue Water to save production costs. But whats interesting is that Blue Water licensed the original Japanese DBGT soundtrack (which presumably is more expensive than producing one yourself) and kept the script accurate and close to the original Japanese script, 2 things which both Ocean and Funimation didnt do.

Oh and thanks for approving my account, these discussions on the Ocean dub of Kai take me back to the discussions seen on Ocean dub DBZ fansites when DBZ was being broadcast. A deja vu perhaps shared by others.

A-list Ocean Group voices (Drummond, Swaile, Klassen, Cox, etc.).

The Ocean Group is an A list studio(s)

I'd rate the dubs as:

Dragon Ball (Blue Water Studios) A list (Higher than BLT though)
Dragon Ball (BLT productions) A list
Dragon Ball Z (Ocean Group; episodes 1-53 and 108-276) A* list
Dragon Ball GT (Blue Water Studios) B+ list

I havent seen much of the other stuff Blue Water has done, their GT dub was pretty decent and their DB dub was excellent, even better than the BLT DB dub (which used the same Vancouver voice cast Ocean's DBZ dub uses) Blue Water used Nyoibo throughout the series instead of that ridiculous power pole, among other things (Mafuba, Master Crane, Tao Pai Pai etc, Blue Water trounced Funimation, the latter going on a script and name change frenzy) So at least Blue Water's DB dub is A list and by far the most accurate and true to the original English dub of Dragon Ball there is.

Oh, sorry.

Blue Water isn't even C-list. Blue Water is more like D-list. AnimeEigo laughs at Blue Water.

From what I've seen of your posts, you dont seem to appreciate even the Ocean Group's DBZ dub, so I wouldnt've thought you'd think highly of Blue Water.

Going through the list at ANN of Anime dubbed by Blue Water, it seems G Gundam is among them, I dont watch Gundam but I thought Ocean dubbed it, maybe its an offshoot which got given to Blue Water to dub.

[penguintruth]

I can never forgive Blue Water for their horrific dub of Zeta Gundam, and their G Gundam dub is only decent because the show is intended to have bad acting, and they happen to be full of bad actors.

[RazorX]

Fortunately (or unfortunately?) for me, I'm not a fan of any Gundam series so I didnt assess Blue Water's Gundam dub. But I'm sure Ocean have dubbed a Gundam series as well because I remember watching the credits of Gundam one time when it used to be on Cartoon Network, and Ocean was credited.

[bkev]

Pretty sure Ocean did at least Wing.

[JulieYBM]

Pretty sure Ocean did at least Wing.

I'm not entirely sure, but I think while Ocean did produce it, the dub was recorded at Westwood Studios. Correct me if I am wrong.

[RazorX]

But Westood studios uses the Ocean cast, so it'll be the same as if it were recorded at Ocean Studios. Blue Water is different because it uses a completely different cast to Ocean Studios, Westwood Studios and Airwaves Studios. I think it was Wing that was on Cartoon Network, which means that some Gundam series got moved over to Blue Water, like GT & DB, but Blue Water did a good to excellent job with GT & DB.

It will be interesting to see who voices Goku on Ocean's Kai dub, what do people think are the chances that Ian Corlett will return? Ian is still voice acting and I think he's still in Vancouver.

Peter Kelamis left Ocean's DBZ dub to focus on his comedy tours, but I'm not sure if he's still doing them so he may make a return for Kai.

On the other hand, Kirby Morrow is still with the Ocean Group, if I were to guess, I'd say Morrow has the highest chances of making a return, but it'll be interesting to hear what others think of the issue.