Dragonbox VS Orange Brick Sets....a few questions

[Big Momma]

Well, and the credits and previews.

That kinda goes in the "video" category. I'd better just change it to "video", then.

[Greenman]

Well, and the credits and previews.

And the audio is better too.

[Questrider]

If they really wanted to make everyone happy, they should have released the Dragonbox WITH the option to listen to Falconer's score.
I know, I know:
This goes against the purpose of the dragonbox but who exactly is it hurting in the long run to include the addtional audio track? More options = more value.

And who knows? Maybe fans from Japan (who can scoop this up) would WANT to listen to Falconer to go along with the Japanese voices. It is possible, right??

[TonyTheTiger]

I'm not sure whether or not there was room for Faulconer's music. If they could have included it without sacrificing anything else then they probably should have. No loss to anybody else by including extra features if they don't reduce the bitrate or anything. But I've heard mixed reports whether or not it was possible. Squeezing an extra episode on each disc didn't help matters, that's for sure.

[DBfan4life]

I can't remember where I read it , but weren't people saying that by adding Falconer's score there might be a chance that the video quality might be lowered or something of that sort? I forgot whether or not it was true, but that was the reason the Dub score wasn't included is what they were essentially saying.

[TonyTheTiger]

That's the thing. I've heard that there was enough disc space and the addition wouldn't have hurt any other part of the product. I've heard that there was enough disc space but the inclusion would have dropped the video bitrate lower than it should go. I've heard that there was not enough disc space. I'm no expert so I don't know what explanations are bullshit or not.

[Gaffer Tape]

And who knows? Maybe fans from Japan (who can scoop this up) would WANT to listen to Falconer to go along with the Japanese voices. It is possible, right??

While I'm not arguing the possible validity of such an argument, that audio track would just be impossible, at least for FUNimation. Well, first of all, even if it was, that would make four proposed audio tracks: Japanese, English with Japanese score, English with American score, and Japanese with American score. There'd simply be no room. But like I said, FUNimation wouldn't be able to do this as they don't have access (assuming it still exists at all) to the raw voice recordings. The audio track they received is premixed, and you can't take the background music out of it.

[Kaboom]

I take it you won't miss Falconer's score?

I'll miss the "Super Saiyan 3" track for nostalgia reasons. Seeing that particular transformation scene and subsequent fight against Fat Boo was what firmly transformed my "curiosity" about DragonBall into a full-blown fandom. But that's about it. Otherwise I've all but "outgrown" most aspects of the dub, especially its "unique" BGM.

[FDLink]

Questrider, your fandom of the Faulconer score aside, I can't recommend the Dragon Boxes enough. The quality of the content in the Dragon Boxes is unmatched here in the US and highly-coveted in Japan. (Seriously... the original Japanese Dragon Boxes cost nearly $2000 altogether). To put it mildly, the Orange Bricks are a hack-job of the most egregious order. With the Dragon Boxes, you get the truly-remastered video, original aspect ratio, clean audio, every opener, recap, eyecatch, preview and credits sequence, and all for cheap.

Yes, I was also introduced to the series via the dub (circa 1999), and I'll admit that the Faulconer score has its moments-- but really, it makes no more sense to change the music of Dragon Ball Z than it does to change the music of Star Wars. IMO, Faulconer's never-ending Casio keyboard stylings cheapened the series for mass-consumption by hyperactive preteens, and I don't miss it at all.

[MetalMadness]

You know, you could always edit the Dragon Box footage on your computer to sync with Faulconer music if you really wanted

It definitely isn't that difficult, I know from experience. Though it is time consuming.

[Puto]

And who knows? Maybe fans from Japan (who can scoop this up) would WANT to listen to Falconer to go along with the Japanese voices. It is possible, right??

I don't think even the original Japanese animation company, Toei Animation, has the original separate voice track for the Japanese voices of Z (Toei from 80 to 95 were known for regularly throwing away that kind of thing after the episodes aired to save space, unfortunately). So it's impossible to mix the Japanese voices with anything other music.

[Gozar]

How many of you OWN the bricks and are STILL buying the Dragonboxes?
If you are buying these up, it's all about the picture and sound, right?
Any other reasons?

I bought all 9 Season Sets and am still buying the Dragon Boxes. I think the DBOX picture quality and color is absolutely beautiful and well worth the buy.

[Metalwario64]

How many of you OWN the bricks and are STILL buying the Dragonboxes?
If you are buying these up, it's all about the picture and sound, right?
Any other reasons?

I bought all 9 Season Sets and am still buying the Dragon Boxes. I think the DBOX picture quality and color is absolutely beautiful and well worth the buy.

Yes, same here. Although I think Kai will take preference if I have to choose one or the other at any given time, but I intend on getting future Dragon Boxes whenever possible.

[Big Momma]

I'll be picking up the Boxes, as I only have Season 3 of the sets. However, I'm gonna wait until they're all released, and a lot cheaper.


Until then...I'll just be picking up the entire series of Kai.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

How? Just like a translation should stay true to what the creators of the show intended the script to be like and won't always be 100% accurate, the dub voices should stay true to what the creators of the show intended those characters to sound like, though they won't be 100% accurate to what they sounded like in Japanese. It's not possible for the English voice to sound exactly like the character did in Japanese, but most of the time it's possible to find a voice that fits the character without doing a complete 180 from how they sounded in Japanese.

A dub voice is entirely subjective because it's up to the viewers' to say whether they like the voice and whether it fits the character based on their appearance and personality. For example, I personally think Sean Schemmel's version of Goku does this, while Masako Nozawa's version doesn't. A dub voice doesn't have to sound at all like the Japanese voice. It has happened many a time.

Okay, so a translation isn't entirely subjective and it isn't entirely objective. I say it isn't entirely objective because it's debatable whether a certain translation is accurate or not (there have been many of such on these very forums). I also say it isn't entirely subjective because a translation can be flat out wrong. For example, it wouldn't be subjective if I translate the phrase: "俺はベジータ/Ore wa Bejiita/I'm Vegeta" as "what's for dinner?".

[Kaboom]

This thread was never intended as a 'Sub vs Dub' "debate," so let's try not to let it veer down such a path any more than it already has, okay?

[Majin Buu]

A dub voice is entirely subjective because it's up to the viewers' to say whether they like the voice and whether it fits the character based on their appearance and personality.

But going by that logic, bad translations (IE, dialogue changes) are subjective as well because it's ultimately up to the viewers to say whether they like it or not based on what they think fits the show and the characters, regardless of accuracy to the original. Why is it only voices that are subjective? I think the varying opinions about both versions of the show proves that it's not just the voices that are subjective.

But regardless of subjectivity, when all of those things are changed they're going against what the creators of the show intended the show to be like (IE, the way it was meant to be seen). It's not a dubbing company's place to change the show like that when they don't need to (again, sometimes things need to be changed for various reasons).

[Big Momma]

But regardless of subjectivity, when all of those things are changed they're going against what the creators of the show intended the show to be like (IE, the way it was meant to be seen). It's not a dubbing company's place to change the show like that when they don't need to (again, sometimes things need to be changed for various reasons).

Let's say a knife-maker is a murderer. He creates a knife for the sole purpose of executing a political figure. It's sharp, smooth, and designed for a quick and silent kill/getaway. However, he is discovered, and arrested. One of the officers who arrested him then takes the knife home and gives it to his wife, who then uses it to chop and dice various fruits and veggies. Is the wife wrong for going against what the creator of the knife intended it to be for?





(I dunno how well this applies...I just wanted to make a silly analogy )

[Castor Troy]

But regardless of subjectivity, when all of those things are changed they're going against what the creators of the show intended the show to be like (IE, the way it was meant to be seen). It's not a dubbing company's place to change the show like that when they don't need to (again, sometimes things need to be changed for various reasons).

Let's say a knife-maker is a murderer. He creates a knife for the sole purpose of executing a political figure.

Gen Fukunaga or Barry Watson?

[Majin Buu]

Well the situations are different. Therefore, the standards for evaluating them will be different. We're talking about a TV show here, no one's life is on the line. I'm not going to rationally argue that the knife should continue to be used to kill people simply to uphold the intentions of its creator. On the other hand, no one loses their life from a dubbing company staying true to the creator's intent while dubbing a show.