Schemmel: "The Ocean Group is doing their own dub"

[Greenman]

I just spoke to dagame and he said Sean deleted all of his facebook comments. That should be proof that he was wrong. Why are people ignoring this fact?

The fact that his Facebook comments were deleted wasn't ignored. It was mentioned. It's not "proof" that he was wrong. For all we know the higher-ups at FUNimation didn't like him talking about it. And it would be odd for him to be "wrong" without him also being a liar since he says he's heard it.

As far as I know, the Ocean group dub is going to have this really shitty music (some of which I have heard) and a whole host of added sound effects such as "doinks" and "boinks" and even in one scene, where Bulma ... See Moresimply turns her head in a conversation you hear a "whoosh" sound ala a bad martial arts movie. We are giving you the purest DBZ experience possible, and if you don't like that, then you don't like DBZ.

[RazorX]

Also, if you're going to slam FUNimation for accuracy, that's fine. I can understand completely where you're coming from.

But don't proceed to immediately defend a Blue Water dub.

If Blue Water did a better job, then I don't see why not.

and Brad Swaile was a fine teen Gohan, every bit as good as Kyle Hebert.

I find that statement rather insulting because Kyle Hebert's portrayal of Teen Gohan is cringeworthy, his school stuff sounds like a 40 year old trying to be a kid again.

Brad Swaile's portrayal of Teen Gohan is perfect, I prefer Brad's over even Masako's, and thats saying a lot.

Say what you will about either Shuky Levi or Bruce Faulconer's compositions, at least they were composed for DBZ and some effort was put in to choose the right piece for a particular mood. Monster Rancher and Mega Man cartoon music doesn't sound like it belongs in the slightest. Hell, the Mega Man cartoon's music didn't even sound like it belonged in the cartoon it was composed for! Anyone remember that cartoon? The opening sequence was the only good part!

You cant judge that based on clips, in particular if you've been watching Funi's dub all these years and suddenly came across clips of the Ocean dub. You need to see whole episodes of the Ocean dub to get a proper feel of it. Personally I thought the Monster rancher music fit really well, its orchestral type, varied and sets the mood, they should've used it much sooner but better late than never. Its interesting to note that the original themes created for the Westwood Studios/Ocean dub turned out to be among the best musical pieces.

Okay yes, I'd say the Blue Water GT dub was better than FUNi GT dub during it's run on T.V (when it had the rap opening, the techno BGM and the "lost episodes").

But there's just no comparison between the green bricks and the Blue Water GT dub. The green bricks have the original Japanese score, accurately dubbed openings and endings and actually bearable voices.

I had the TV broadcast runs in mind when I was talking about both dubs.

Even with the green bricks, Funi's dub is below Blue Water's dub. The direction of Funi's dub doesnt fit with the Japanese music, the Para brothers and the narrator's style are good examples of that.

[ThunderPX]

You cant judge that based on clips, in particular if you've been watching Funi's dub all these years and suddenly came across clips of the Ocean dub. You need to see whole episodes of the Ocean dub to get a proper feel of it. Personally I thought the Monster rancher music fit really well, its orchestral type, varied and sets the mood, they should've used it much sooner but better late than never. Its interesting to note that the original themes created for the Westwood Studios/Ocean dub turned out to be among the best musical pieces.

I saw the Ocean dub. The music was crap.

[Blue]

You cant judge that based on clips, in particular if you've been watching Funi's dub all these years and suddenly came across clips of the Ocean dub. You need to see whole episodes of the Ocean dub to get a proper feel of it. Personally I thought the Monster rancher music fit really well, its orchestral type, varied and sets the mood, they should've used it much sooner but better late than never. Its interesting to note that the original themes created for the Westwood Studios/Ocean dub turned out to be among the best musical pieces.

I saw the Ocean dub. The music was crap.

Hey I really liked the Megaman cartoon's bgm!

[El Diabeetus]

Even with the green bricks, Funi's dub is below Blue Water's dub. The direction of Funi's dub doesnt fit with the Japanese music, the Para brothers and the narrator's style are good examples of that.

That's still opinion. I'd rather watch the FUNimation dub with Japanese BGM. The Blue Water dub is a good idea in theory; but, fails to deliver (which you can turn on me and say THAT's my opinion, which would be correct). If following the Japanese that literally, results in stale acting... I'd rather have the slightly less accurate; but, at least bearable acting. Yeah, no doubt the Blue Water casting is more accurately chosen. But, voice is only half of Voice Acting.

Plus, the Blue Water dub has it's own "urgh" moments. Against Yi Xing Long, he stabs Vegeta and uses Dragon Thunder after piercing his arm with spikes. He says "Shocking, ain't it?!" which isn't accurate at all. Actually, 63 seemed to get a ton of ad-libbed or just as bad as the b.s. lines FUNimation made up. Goku in that episode when he comes up with the Genki-Dama says something about exercising if I remember correctly. So, all I'm trying to say while it maybe more accurate than FUNimation at some points, they're just as bad if not worse when they make up their own lines. I'm just tired of the people going "Yep, the Blue Water dub is completely accurate." when the example I provided would counteract that.

Plus, with the example of the Para brothers, they're supposed to be odd, so FUNimation while not following the Japanese for them, it still seemed to work.

But, the Narrator I'll agree 100% with you, out of place. But, that was still better than Z's narrator was.

[RazorX]

Which is why I added that Blue Water had minor dialogue changes. They kept the important stuff accurate, unlike Funimation.

Of course if you prefer the Funi voices, its your opinion, which you are entitled to. Blue water's acting isnt up there with the Ocean cast but I found it acceptable.

If you're comparing Funimation's Z narrator to Funimation's GT narrator, I agree with you that the GT narrator was better, despite the direction it took. His voice had the potential to give decent narrations but the direction really let him down. Ocean's Doc Harris and Kai's Doc Morgan are better than both of them though, they were helped by good direction and good voices in combination to give decent narrations.

[El Diabeetus]

Which is why I added that Blue Water had minor dialogue changes. They kept the important stuff accurate, unlike Funimation.

Of course if you prefer the Funi voices, its your opinion, which you are entitled to. Blue water's acting isnt up there with the Ocean cast but I found it acceptable.

If you're comparing Funimation's Z narrator to Funimation's GT narrator, I agree with you that the GT narrator was better, despite the direction it took. His voice had the potential to give decent narrations but the direction really let him down. Ocean's Doc Harris and Kai's Doc Morgan are better than both of them though, they were helped by good direction and good voices in combination to give decent narrations.

Yeah, true. Actually, that's one of the very few Blue Water episodes I got to see, so my judgement may be clouded; but, yeah.

Yeah, I was comparing FUNimation's narrators between Z and GT. No doubt about both Doc's narrations. They're as good as you're gonna get to a Japanese-esque narrator without it feeling awkward.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I had the TV broadcast runs in mind when I was talking about both dubs.

Even with the green bricks, Funi's dub is below Blue Water's dub. The direction of Funi's dub doesnt fit with the Japanese music, the Para brothers and the narrator's style are good examples of that.

You're still forgeting that the voices are complete fucking shit.


You know what? I'm done reasoning with you. I'm just going to post this video and if anyone thinks that this is actually good acting, you have serious issues.

[Blue]

Woah, did the Blue Water guys do the voices for English Final Bout? That Goku sounds familiar.

[Metalwario64]

Woah, did the Blue Water guys do the voices for English Final Bout? That Goku sounds familiar.

No, it wasn't them.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Woah, did the Blue Water guys do the voices for English Final Bout? That Goku sounds familiar.

No, the English Final Bout voices were done by a company called Bang Zoom! Entertainment.

[Blue]

Aw, I was hoping to hear more grandpappy Vegeta.

[RazorX]

Yeah, true. Actually, that's one of the very few Blue Water episodes I got to see, so my judgement may be clouded; but, yeah.

Yeah, I was comparing FUNimation's narrators between Z and GT. No doubt about both Doc's narrations. They're as good as you're gonna get to a Japanese-esque narrator without it feeling awkward.

Yeah. Doc and Doc also brought their own interpretations and it works.

You're still forgeting that the voices are complete fucking shit.

Of the Funimation dub? If you mean Blue Water, thats your opinion, I dont agree so I'm not forgetting it.

You know what? I'm done reasoning with you. I'm just going to post this video and if anyone thinks that this is actually good acting, you have serious issues.

Attack others for differing with you, a sign of no longer being able to defend your opinion. Where have I seen that before.......

What you've done is shown how much better Blue Water were when they started compared to Funimation when they started.

[linkdude20002001]

You're still forgeting that the voices are complete fucking shit.


You know what? I'm done reasoning with you. I'm just going to post this video and if anyone thinks that this is actually good acting, you have serious issues.

Wow. That was actually pretty good. Sure, Dende and adult Gokuh sounded bad, but the other characters sounded fine. Most importantly, young Gokuh sounded great. He even spoke with words like somethin'.

[RazorX]

You're still forgeting that the voices are complete fucking shit.


You know what? I'm done reasoning with you. I'm just going to post this video and if anyone thinks that this is actually good acting, you have serious issues.

Wow. That was actually pretty good. Sure, Dende and adult Gokuh sounded bad, but the other characters sounded fine. Most importantly, young Gokuh sounded great. He even spoke with words like somethin'.

Young Goku's voice actress for the Blue Water dub was a teenager when she recorded his lines, same goes for Pan's voice actress. Both did a very good job.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Attack others for differing with you, a sign of no longer being able to defend your opinion. Where have I seen that before.......

I wasn't saying that you personally have issues, it's just that I've watched enough dubbed Anime to know that the Blue Water GT dub is complete shit, just like the FUNimation's Z dub.

What you've done is shown how much better Blue Water were when they started compared to Funimation when they started.

No, I haven't. When FUNimation started dubbing Anime, their dubs were crap. You, me and everyone can agree with this statement. But now, FUNi dubs are top notch and you could definately even say that they're the best in the Anime business currently (One Piece is solid proof of this).


Blue Water's dubs on the other hand, started off as complete shit and still are (that is, if they're still doing Anime dubs because I haven't heard from them in a while).

[penguintruth]

I wouldn't go as far as saying Funimation's dubs are "top notch". There are a few stand-out dubs and the rest are "okay". Most of the best anime dubs come out of L.A., from studios like Animaze and Bang Zoom.

Ocean proper is decent, but Blue Water is pretty atrocious.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I wouldn't go as far as saying Funimation's dubs are "top notch". There are a few stand-out dubs and the rest are "okay". Most of the best anime dubs come out of L.A., from studios like Animaze and Bang Zoom.

Ocean proper is decent, but Blue Water is pretty atrocious.

I love Ocean's dubs, but Blue Water's dubs don't even come to be able to be called "okay".

[linkdude20002001]

Blue Water's dubs on the other hand, started off as complete shit and still are (that is, if they're still doing Anime dubs because I haven't heard from them in a while).

I believe their most recent anime was Hunter x Hunter in 2008.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Blue Water's dubs on the other hand, started off as complete shit and still are (that is, if they're still doing Anime dubs because I haven't heard from them in a while).

I believe their most recent anime was Hunter x Hunter in 2008.

That would explain it, I never really got into Hunter x Hunter.