"Ultimate Uncut Edition" DVDs Discussion

leowong1 · Post by **leowong1** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 5:55 pm

I would give u guys the same capture screen of raditz right after I arrived home. Just a question, if you guys mean 2nd generation tape has been enlarged, how come HK dvd has no magnification? Can you explain that? Then what generation tape does the HK dvd encoded from?

leowong1 · Post by **leowong1** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 5:58 pm

Timo wrote:Mhm, I'm interested in the chinese dub and I collect DBZ DVDs from different countries, so...

I 've added you in msn. I might help u buy it as I live in Hong Kong, but u have to wait till end of May(end of my exam)...

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:04 pm

http://www.daizex.com/interaction/board/

Watch your grammar and spelling...

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:48 pm

leowong1 wrote:Then what generation tape does the HK dvd encoded from?

There is a set of liscenced Hong Kong DVDs out there that use the video from the Dragon Boxes (it's like the Chinese version of Dragon Box, I actually think Toei released them). Even if it's not them, not every scene is going to be zoomed in on. Only scenes that had misaligned frames in them would be magnified.

Finally, I'm not trying to claim that FUNimation doesn't zoom in on the picture, because they *might*. I'm just saying that Toei themselves have stated that they often zoomed in on the picture to hide cel errors, so all the blame can't lie with FUNi. The only version that exists with absolutely no magnification is the Dragon Box version, and obviously any copies of that. All second gen copies are magnified at least in certain scenes.

leowong1 · Post by **leowong1** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:54 am

From the site, I can see that only DB has been zoomed in, but not DBZ...
And also, I do not think that Toei would give HK their remastered copy.
See the picture below, the "licensed" DVD do not even have the official DVD logo although there is a logo of Toei...

Sho™ · Post by **Sho™** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:10 am

We had this discussion before didn't we? On the DaizenshuuEX chat. I told you that those DVD's were bootlegged copies. They do not look official to me.

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:40 am

leowong1 wrote:
Timo wrote:Mhm, I'm interested in the chinese dub and I collect DBZ DVDs from different countries, so...
I 've added you in msn. I might help u buy it as I live in Hong Kong, but u have to wait till end of May(end of my exam)...

Okay. No problem. I can wait.

Nice covers. Sho™, are you sure that those are bootlegs? My HK bootlegs (YES, SHAME on me!) look different.

leowong1 · Post by **leowong1** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:54 am

If it is bootleg, why were they allowed to sell on all dvd store, even in block buster? I would say they didn't use the official dvd logo, but they are really licensed. As you can see there is Toei's logo.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:24 am

leowong1 wrote:If it is bootleg, why were they allowed to sell on all dvd store, even in block buster? I would say they didn't use the official dvd logo, but they are really licensed. As you can see there is Toei's logo.

You can put any logo you want on anything you want. Does that mean it's official? No. It means you know how to use a computer.

I've seen plenty of bootlegs (both anime and not) at regular video and game stores. Why? Because they don't have a freakin' clue what they're doing, and will buy anything in order to try and turn around and sell it for more.

leowong1 · Post by **leowong1** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:31 am

But it was advertised by magazines and newspapers. Would a bootleg company wanna raise the concern of local Police by telling the world "I am selling bootlegs"?

The DVDs are not cheap also, They are $35 per box which has 3 DVDs and 24 episodes...

A DVD can only be called as bootleg when it costs $1 or less. In mainland China I saw bootleg DBZ DVDs everything which costs less than $1 per disc.

So, to me, I still think that the DVDs of HK is licensed, as they are about $12 per disc.

Entropy · Post by **Entropy** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:39 am

The DVD was worth the money in my opinion.
I genuinely enjoyed the "Goku vs. Vegeta" extra, even though certain sentences were cringe-worthy.
The video quality was decent and any flaws, such as grain, didn’t really effect my viewing.
At least this time round there is consistency in the art and DVD actually looks like it belongs in the box
set rather than looking like a random DVD in a random box. (Which a lot of Funimation’s other box sets look like)
However the box is made from more flimsy material than previous ones.
And finally the subtitles were spot-on for non-intrusiveness and pace.

leowong1 wrote: A DVD can only be called as bootleg when it costs $1 or less.

A bootleg is something which is produced illicitly.
No matter how high or low the price this fact is invariant.

You could easily be charged $35 for a bootleg.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:47 am

leowong1 wrote:But it was advertised by magazines and newspapers. Would a bootleg company wanna raise the concern of local Police by telling the world "I am selling bootlegs"?

The DVDs are not cheap also, They are $35 per box which has 3 DVDs and 24 episodes...

A DVD can only be called as bootleg when it costs $1 or less. In mainland China I saw bootleg DBZ DVDs everything which costs less than $1 per disc.

So, to me, I still think that the DVDs of HK is licensed, as they are about $12 per disc.

A couple years ago while still in school, there was a guy that was sponsored by my college's student center selling bootleg American movie DVDs in the student center.

Your point?

leowong1 · Post by **leowong1** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:55 am

Maybe you are true.
But I wanna ask one thing, does a licensed dvd MUST have the official dvd logo? Is there any circumstances that a DVD is licensed but it does not have the official dvd logo?

Post by **VegettoEX** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:58 am

Here's a better question.

Can we get an official, sticky-ed thread back on topic? Thanks.

Mattias · Post by **Mattias** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:55 pm

What I'm wondering is why FUNimation continues to release them at a "three episode per disc" rate. With other shows, they cram about four and sometimes five episodes (didn't they cram 6 on each one of Fruits Basket?). It's certainly poor marketing, considering that the Dragon Ball DVDs had at least 10 episodes and two discs.

Naturally, with fans of the series, it's going to sell anyway. So, why don't they reward the fans with two extra episodes per disc? They may argue that this ultimate uncut edition is already rewarding the fans (in a way it is), but not at a release rate such as this.

Kodoshin · Post by **Kodoshin** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:14 am

The reason for the release rate being what it is, is at this point obvious: Profit

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:42 am

Mattias wrote:What I'm wondering is why FUNimation continues to release them at a "three episode per disc" rate. With other shows, they cram about four and sometimes five episodes (didn't they cram 6 on each one of Fruits Basket?). It's certainly poor marketing, considering that the Dragon Ball DVDs had at least 10 episodes and two discs.

Naturally, with fans of the series, it's going to sell anyway. So, why don't they reward the fans with two extra episodes per disc? They may argue that this ultimate uncut edition is already rewarding the fans (in a way it is), but not at a release rate such as this.

There's a couple reasons why.

1) Consistancy. The other's are all only 3 episodes per disc.

2) Profit. They can make more money selling them 3 per disc, 1 disc at a time. Why not do the same with DB? Profit. They don't think they could make one using the DBZ format.

Mattias · Post by **Mattias** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 2:03 pm

If they want to be consistent, they'll keep on par with the other series they are releasing, or do they release other series at a three episode rate as well?

Dragon Ball Z is also a damn long series. 291 episodes being released at a three episode rate? That's 97 volumes of DVDs! That's ridiculous!

ruffriles19 · Post by **ruffriles19** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:26 pm

Mattias wrote:Dragon Ball Z is also a damn long series. 291 episodes being released at a three episode rate? That's 97 volumes of DVDs! That's ridiculous!

Not quite 97. Some Z DVDs have 4 eps, and one (Trunks saga) has 5. I believe the total expected is around 85 or so.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:37 pm

Mattias wrote:If they want to be consistent, they'll keep on par with the other series they are releasing, or do they release other series at a three episode rate as well?

Dragon Ball Z is also a damn long series. 291 episodes being released at a three episode rate? That's 97 volumes of DVDs! That's ridiculous!

They also release the Yu Yu Hakusho volumes with the same amount of episodes.