filler question

ruffriles19 · Post by **ruffriles19** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:13 pm

I was wondering if Dragonball Ep. 129 (the one where Goku goes back in time, meets young Crane and Turtle, etc) is filler or not. I wondered because in the episode, Goku is no match for Mutaito, even though Goku beat Piccolo, who Mutaito was no match for, etc.
And if this episode was filler as I suspect, were there quite a few other eps. in the original series that were anime-only? Some of the episodes right after the Uranai Baba bit seem filler-ish.
I've never read the manga, but I've still always had a pretty good idea which episodes in Z are filler. But I don't really know as well about DB.

Kodoshin · Post by **Kodoshin** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:19 pm

Your suspicions are correct (in both cases).

*PINHEAD* · Post by ***PINHEAD*** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:38 pm

It's pretty much filler...I've read all the manga (at least, from tankoubon 1 - 16) and don't remember Mutaito or young Kame sennin or Tsuru sennin being shown except for the small little flashbacks shown during the Piccolo story arc.

tealsmith · Post by **tealsmith** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:04 pm

I was actually wondering the exact same thing yesterday. Mutashio was no match for Piccolo Daimao, and Goku beat Piccolo. Yet when Goku goes back in time, Mutashio blocks his attacks with ease. Then there's also the fact that in Roshi's flashbacks of Daimao's rule, Crain and himself were bald, they looked the same. When Goku goes back in time, they look just like younger versions of themselves.

Anyways, as said above, it's filler. Filler creating inconsistances, now there's a new concept

ruffriles19 · Post by **ruffriles19** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:05 am

Yeah, I've also always wondered about the thing with Roshi's flashback with the different looking Crane and Hermit students. It's definitely an inconcistency, but then again I'm not sure if even those flashbacks in question may be filler themselves.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:26 am

Didn't they ever run any of these filler ideas by Toriyama?

Kodoshin · Post by **Kodoshin** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:33 am

I'd be shocked if they could have, animation production is a constant rush job according to various magazine articles I've read.

And besides that, several Toriyama interviews show that he's not exactly an expert on his own series continuity

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:14 am

Acutally, from what I've heard (Mike or Julian would have to verify) a lot of the filler material was developed by Toriyama-sama himself.

Gamingdevil · Post by **Gamingdevil** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:31 am

Maybe the basics, but I would think he would at least try to maintain the consistancy.

Sho™ · Post by **Sho™** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:11 am

Filler can be pretty good. Only bad thing I have to say about it...it's the main cause of many endless debates over who is stronger than who.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:08 am

ruffriles19 wrote: Some of the episodes right after the Uranai Baba bit seem filler-ish.

They're all filler. The manga jumps right from Goku running away from Baba's palace to the group headed towards Papaya Island by plane three years later.

tealsmith · Post by **tealsmith** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:32 am

Sho™ wrote:Filler can be pretty good.

Driving Episode.

'nuff said

Kodoshin · Post by **Kodoshin** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:01 pm

Well I found a site that prints a translation for the interview from Daizenshuu TV Animation 1, I was gonna link it but I think it was stolen from another (now defunct) site so I dont want to give him free hits.

Apparently Toriyama at times had input and even a hand in the creation of at least one filler character (Gregory), but liked to remain hands off as much as possible and thus would often be (happily) surprised by some of the anime-only episodes.

EDIT: One thing that seemed really interesting was that he gave a lot of credit for the evolution in his drawing style to the anime.

alakazam^ · Post by **alakazam^** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:58 pm

Well, I thought that Mutaito was able to block Goku's attacks because he was a master of martial arts and Goku couldn't really hold himself and he didn't have some basics that Kami-sama and Mr. Popo later teached him.

MyVisionity · Post by **MyVisionity** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:17 pm

alakazam^ wrote:Well, I thought that Mutaito was able to block Goku's attacks because he was a master of martial arts and Goku couldn't really hold himself and he didn't have some basics that Kami-sama and Mr. Popo later teached him.

That's exactly what I always thought. Popo was trying to teach Goku some specific techniques that he wasn't properly trained in. Mutaito was an older and experienced martial arts master, who had the skills to back himself up. I think the point was that Goku had more power, but lacked the training to take Mutaito.

Caracal · Post by **Caracal** » Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:55 pm

tealsmith wrote:Then there's also the fact that in Roshi's flashbacks of Daimao's rule, Crain and himself were bald, they looked the same. When Goku goes back in time, they look just like younger versions of themselves.

I noticed that as well.

Sho™ wrote:Filler can be pretty good. Only bad thing I have to say about it...it's the main cause of many endless debates over who is stronger than who.

I feel that way as well. I don't really have a major problem with them unless they're something really pointless and stupid, like when Goku went to the theme park with everyone (DB filler during the Red Ribbon Saga).

ruffriles19 · Post by **ruffriles19** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:32 pm

Caracal wrote: I feel that way as well. I don't really have a major problem with them unless they're something really pointless and stupid, like when Goku went to the theme park with everyone (DB filler during the Red Ribbon Saga).

I never knew that the theme park episode was filler. I didn't know that ALL of those eps right after Uranai Baba were filler either.
I've heard that many of the eps during the Piccolo Jr. saga part 1 are filler. Is this true? How about the following eps:

-Goku on Mt. Thunder to get the crown
-Goku meeting the old man and his family, goes fishing, etc
-Goku fighting his doll
-Kuririn, Yamucha, Tenshinhan, and Chaozu going to that village and saving it from the volcano.

How much of this is filler? And one last question, are the episodes after Piccolo's defeat dealing with the wedding dress, Pilaf's last appearance, and Goku's wedding filler as well?

tealsmith · Post by **tealsmith** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:47 pm

As far as I know, pretty much all of Goku's training at the Lookout is filler, as is most everything (or everything period, not quite sure) following the defeat of Junior.

*PINHEAD* · Post by ***PINHEAD*** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:43 pm

Son Goku's actual training, not including the test to meet Kami, is all filler. The manga only shows a panel or two of his training.

ruffriles19 · Post by **ruffriles19** » Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:55 pm

How about the episodes showing Kuririn, Yamucha, Ten, and Chaozu journeying to Karin tower, saving the village from the volcano, etc. Filler?
I only just recently thought that DB was much less heavy on the filler than Z, but it sounds like DB has maybe the same or even more amount of filler episodes. Oh well, I generally don't mind them at all, at least most of it makes sense and is entertaining.

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