Schemmel: "The Ocean Group is doing their own dub"

[Super Sayian Prime]

Hunter x Hunter would be their latest DVD dub, but they've done some TV dubs more recently such as Pretty Cure, and Deltora Quest.

As for the quality of dubs, I'd say when Ocean's on their A-game, with a good budget, and good time, they can release some products that many have a hard time competing with (Death Note, The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, Sword of the Stranger, etc.). Ocean's dub of NANA is apparently pretty good, but I haven't seen it to say.

[DBwad]

What if Ocean made Kai with the original names and such? If something like that happened I might be inclined to get the Ocean dub version.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Hunter x Hunter would be their latest DVD dub, but they've done some TV dubs more recently such as Pretty Cure, and Deltora Quest.

Oh, I caught an episode of Deltora Quest on CN. The dub was pretty average.

[RazorX]

I wasn't saying that you personally have issues, it's just that I've watched enough dubbed Anime to know that the Blue Water GT dub is complete shit, just like the FUNimation's Z dub.

Your statement on Blue Water is opinion. Blue Water were the first (except Ocean with their DBZ movies 1-3) to give us an accurate dub of a DB series complete with original Japanese music and mostly uncut episodes. I have come across people in everyday life as well as message boards who prefer Blue Water to Funimation and even people on yahoo questions asking how to obtain the Blue water dub. Its not as bad as you think. For a dub that only had TV broadcasts as the revenue stream, it had to perform to expectation.

No, I haven't. When FUNimation started dubbing Anime, their dubs were crap. You, me and everyone can agree with this statement. But now, FUNi dubs are top notch and you could definately even say that they're the best in the Anime business currently (One Piece is solid proof of this).

I dont know too much about that due to a lack of interest, but the Death Note dub by Ocean seemed better than the One Piece dub.

Blue Water's dubs on the other hand, started off as complete shit and still are (that is, if they're still doing Anime dubs because I haven't heard from them in a while).

Blue Water's GT dub was good overall, and their Dragon Ball dub was very good. As for their other dubs, I dont know, havent seen enough of them.

What if Ocean made Kai with the original names and such? If something like that happened I might be inclined to get the Ocean dub version.

That would draw a lot of people to the Ocean dub.

[ThunderPX]

See, the problem is that you dismiss any other person's views as "just an opinion" (a statement that has no place in an actual discussion about the quality of something to begin with), and then proceed to state your own views as though they're definitive facts, without any sort of reasons given as to why that's what you think. That leaves very little reason for anyone to read your posts at all.

Honestly, I can't call Blue Water's GT dub "good overall." The voices are often miscast, the acting is mostly unbearable and a lot of the dialogue, while perhaps more accurate (I can't make a comment on this either way since GT doesn't interest me enough to do an in-depth comparison), sound awkward or inappropriate. FUNimation's early works were guilty of the latter, but it really doesn't help when everyone reads their lines like that guy who says "Dude if that is not the champ I will eat the hat I am wearing."

[RazorX]

See, the problem is......

You took my post and assumed off it, I did not present my views as definite facts and I didn't dismiss his views either, I did not agree and presented my post as such.

Blue Water GT had some acting that was not particularly good, but the main cast was generally good. There were some standout performances, such as Dr Myuu. When I mean the dub was "good overall" I am taking into account the casting, acting, music, dialogue, accuracy, production values and consistency. It appears that you simply formed an opinion on the acting and attributed that to the whole dub without consideration of other factors.

[ThunderPX]

You're completely disregarding the fact that I have mentioned the casting, dialogue and accuracy thereof (though I have to say, if I can't take the dialogue seriously then what does it matter whether it's the same thing as the Japanese dialogue?)

As for the music, that's become a moot point ever since FUNimation's season sets. I won't deny that it was a dumb move to replace the music in the first place, but it's not like it's ruined my childhood. Hell, the FUNimation dub didn't even air where I live, and if it did, I'd just shrug looking back at it and pop in the season sets.

I'm beginning to see a recurring theme where you accuse people of doing things (in this case, assuming information based on inaccurate reading) and then doing the exact same thing yourself.

[RazorX]

You're completely disregarding the fact that I have mentioned the casting, dialogue and accuracy thereof (though I have to say, if I can't take the dialogue seriously then what does it matter whether it's the same thing as the Japanese dialogue?)

As far as dialogue is concerned, you're going to get some lines you wont like, even Funimation's accurate Kai dub has some cringeworthy dialogue. But when I watched Blue Water GT, I didnt have a problem with most of the dialogue. You have to remember that in 2003, considering past treatment of the DB franchise, the Blue Water GT dub was more than you could hope for in terms of accuracy as well as artistic decisions regarding the usage of original Japanese bgm.

As for the music, that's become a moot point ever since FUNimation's season sets.

Irrelevant to the TV broadcasts, Funi's original intention for the show and even the original DVD releases. I'm not going to watch Funi's dub again just because they did something they should have done from the start. Even then, if you read my previous posts, I mention the direction is not suited for the original Japanese bgm.

I won't deny that it was a dumb move to replace the music in the first place, but it's not like it's ruined my childhood. Hell, the FUNimation dub didn't even air where I live, and if it did, I'd just shrug looking back at it and pop in the season sets.

You're ignoring the fact that not every GT fan buys the season sets, what those fans would've seen was the TV broadcasts, which is why I was focussing on the TV runs of both dubs.

I'm beginning to see a recurring theme where you accuse people of doing things (in this case, assuming information based on inaccurate reading) and then doing the exact same thing yourself.

I'm beginning to get the impression you have a bit of an issue with someone liking the Blue Water dub. I have no problem engaging in discussions relating to the DB series. It seems you erroneously took my pointing out an opinion as a disregard of someone's views. In which case, I would point out that my preference on the Blue Water voices is my opinion however I'm looking at the bigger picture of both dubs as they aired on TV and solidifying my views further on both dubs based on how each company handled the production and artistic direction. To me, Blue Water wins by far, not just based on the voices, but the overall direction. Fans longed for an accurate dub with original bgm, and Blue Water provided that. Of course, not everyone will like the voices, just as not everyone likes Funimation's voices. For those who are able to like the voices, they would find enjoyment of Blue Water's GT dub as it is significantly closer to the original Japanese version than Funimation's dub.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Your statement on Blue Water is opinion. Blue Water were the first (except Ocean with their DBZ movies 1-3) to give us an accurate dub of a DB series complete with original Japanese music and mostly uncut episodes.

It was the first, but not the best. The FUNi dub had all that on the Season Sets and fully uncut episodes, something the Blue Water dub didn't have.

I have come across people in everyday life as well as message boards who prefer Blue Water to Funimation and even people on yahoo questions asking how to obtain the Blue water dub. Its not as bad as you think. For a dub that only had TV broadcasts as the revenue stream, it had to perform to expectation.

And that expectation wasn't particularly high, going by the voice work quality of the dub.

I dont know too much about that due to a lack of interest, but the Death Note dub by Ocean seemed better than the One Piece dub.

Agreed, but we're talking about Blue Water Studios here, who's dubs are sub par (not only going by their GT dub, but also their Zoids, Deltora Quest and Hoop Days dubs).

Blue Water's GT dub was good overall, and their Dragon Ball dub was very good. As for their other dubs, I dont know, havent seen enough of them.

Again, you've just stated you're opinion for the millionth time. Care to explain what you're seeing in Blue Water's dubs, that the majority of Anime fans aren't?

[RazorX]

It was the first, but not the best. The FUNi dub had all that on the Season Sets and fully uncut episodes, something the Blue Water dub didn't have.

Funi still had their old dub on the season sets with the Japanese music slapped on, didnt bother to change their direction.

And that expectation wasn't particularly high, going by the voice work quality of the dub.

The Blue Water dub, unlike the Funimation dub, relied solely on broadcast revenue. If people didnt like the dub, they wouldnt watch it, which could've resulted in its cancellation. They needed to pull in high ratings. Clearly they did for the Westwood Studios/Ocean dub and the Blue Water studios dubs. Not only did they complete their runs, they were repeated many, many times over the years. The Funimation dub was cancelled in European territories, clearly it didnt do as well.

Agreed, but we're talking about Blue Water Studios here, who's dubs are sub par (not only going by their GT dub, but also their Zoids, Deltora Quest and Hoop Days dubs).

Having seen very little of their other dubs, I cant judge them with as much certainty as the DB and DBGT dubs.

Again, you've just stated you're opinion for the millionth time. Care to explain what you're seeing in Blue Water's dubs, that the majority of Anime fans aren't?

I dont recall the "majority of Anime fans" voting you as their spokesman.

I have explained what I see in the Blue Water dubs, but in summary, I liked the direction they took. They used original Japanese music, they had accurate scripts bar minor dialogue change, it had a good atmosphere. Their casting and voice acting is not as strong as the Ocean Group but I found a lot of them good in their own way, bar a couple which wernt so good.

Of the 2 Blue Water dubs in question, I'd say their Dragon Ball dub is the better one. The acting was generally better than DBGT, casting was better and some of the voices, such as Tenshinhan, had standout Ocean quality performances. Blue Water had an excellent King Piccolo, he sounded like an older version of Scott McNeil's Piccolo.

Just because you dont like the Blue Water dub, doesnt mean its poor. Clearly enough people liked the Blue Water dubs to make them a success. They didnt have DVD sales backup, if it didnt do well on TV, it may have got cancelled because at the end of the day, everyone involved needs to make money off it.

[VegettoEX]

Let's all remember that if you type poorly (wrong words, missing letters)... you won't be taken very seriously. Make a good and educated impression. Follow the forum rules.

Also, let's drop the snotty attitudes. As cleverly hidden as you think they are, they're still apparent, and it's not welcome.

[linkdude20002001]

Having seen very little of their other dubs, I cant judge them with as much certainty as the DB and DBGT dubs.

I have explained what I see in the Blue Water dubs, but in summary, I liked the direction they took. They used original Japanese music, they had accurate scripts bar minor dialogue change, it had a good atmosphere. Their casting and voice acting is not as strong as the Ocean Group but I found a lot of them good in their own way, bar a couple which weren't so good.

Of the 2 Blue Water dubs in question, I'd say their Dragon Ball dub is the better one. The acting was generally better than DBGT, casting was better and some of the voices, such as Tenshinhan, had standout Ocean quality performances. Blue Water had an excellent King Piccolo, he sounded like an older version of Scott McNeil's Piccolo.

For the most part, Blue Water Studios produces English dubs that feel very fake. The acting is just difficult to bare. Now, I'd say their dub of Dragon Ball is an exception, and has good acting. DBGT, from what I remember, was as bad as most Blue Water Studios dubs, but some of the actors (young Gokuh's for example) were actually good. Though, voice wise, I liked a some of their decisions in DBGT. I've only ever seen a couple episodes of their dub of DBGT, so I can't say a whole lot about it. Someone really needs to record the episodes next time they air. I'm not especially interested in DBGT, but I really want to watch their dub of DB.

[Velasa]

I was really interested in this thread at first, but it's devolved into ten pages of bickering >< I'd love to be able to actually get reliable information out of this guys, comeon. Stop arguing already

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Funi still had their old uncut dub on the season sets with the Japanese music slapped on, didnt bother to change their direction.

Fixed for you.

The Blue Water dub, unlike the Funimation dub, relied solely on broadcast revenue. If people didnt like the dub, they wouldnt watch it, which could've resulted in its cancellation. They needed to pull in high ratings. Clearly they did for the Westwood Studios/Ocean dub and the Blue Water studios dubs. Not only did they complete their runs, they were repeated many, many times over the years. The Funimation dub was cancelled in European territories, clearly it didnt do as well.

Seriously, do you think that little kids can tell a good dub from a bad dub? They just watched the show for the action like many other kids.

Having seen very little of their other dubs, I cant judge them with as much certainty as the DB and DBGT dubs.

Honestly, don't even bother. They're terrible.

I dont recall the "majority of Anime fans" voting you as their spokesman.

Just ask any respectible Anime fan what they think of Blue Water's dubs.


Yes, the Blue Water GT dub had the original music (like the FUNi dub), a fairly accurate script (General Lock WTF) and a "dubbed" (I'm using that term loosely) opening theme song (again, like the FUNi dub).


But it's lacking on one of the major points that makes a dub good. The voices. A good dub has both well acted voices and an accurate script. The Blue Water GT dub has (for the most part) an accurate script, but is lacking in the voice department.


I'm begining to think the reason why you're defending the Blue Water GT dub, isn't because you actually like the dub, but rather, because you hate FUNimation's dub.

[ohaimynameiserik]

I'm begining to think the reason why you're defending the Blue Water GT dub, isn't because you actually like the dub, but rather, because you hate FUNimation's dub.

Or he's bored and has to be arguing with someone to feel like he has a purpose. You're only making it worse though.

At the end of the day, it's GT. So in that regard it's not even worth arguing about this much. The show won't be that good either way.

Wasn't this thread supposed to be about Ocean dubbing Dragon Ball Kai, anyway? Don't we have zero confirmation for any of this, and Schemmel deleted his posts probably because they weren't true? Why the hell is this thread still open? It's becoming nothing but multiple paragraph long posts by RazorX about how Blue Water's GT dub pwnz FUNi's.

Mods? Anybody?

[Paradox295]

I'm begining to think the reason why you're defending the Blue Water GT dub, isn't because you actually like the dub, but rather, because you hate FUNimation's dub.

Or he's bored and has to be arguing with someone to feel like he has a purpose. You're only making it worse though.

At the end of the day, it's GT. So in that regard it's not even worth arguing about this much. The show won't be that good either way.

Wasn't this thread supposed to be about Ocean dubbing Dragon Ball Kai, anyway? Don't we have zero confirmation for any of this, and Schemmel deleted his posts probably because they weren't true? Why the hell is this thread still open? It's becoming nothing but multiple paragraph long posts by RazorX about how Blue Water's GT dub pwnz FUNi's.

Mods? Anybody?

I agree, this thread is meant to be about info if AB Group are hiring out Ocean Productions to dub Kai, and there's no new info as of yet..

[Goku100xKamehameha]

So Ocean gonna dub Z Kai or not?

[Paradox295]

So Ocean gonna dub Z Kai or not?

Depends if they get hired out to do it =/

[RazorX]

For the most part, Blue Water Studios produces English dubs that feel very fake. The acting is just difficult to bare. Now, I'd say their dub of Dragon Ball is an exception, and has good acting. DBGT, from what I remember, was as bad as most Blue Water Studios dubs, but some of the actors (young Gokuh's for example) were actually good. Though, voice wise, I liked a some of their decisions in DBGT. I've only ever seen a couple episodes of their dub of DBGT, so I can't say a whole lot about it. Someone really needs to record the episodes next time they air. I'm not especially interested in DBGT, but I really want to watch their dub of DB.

If their dubs have the quality of the couple of voices which in my view were miscast in GT, then I can picture it. (Though they didn't detract much from the general viewing)

Once Kai starts broadcasting in European territories, the Ocean/Blue Water dubs should come back on air.

Fixed for you.

You mean uncut after finally dropping their "lost episodes" line.

Seriously, do you think that little kids can tell a good dub from a bad dub? They just watched the show for the action like many other kids.

They seemed to have done a good job of it when Funi season three aired.

Honestly, don't even bother. They're terrible.

Unless they dub something else which interests me, I probably won't.

Just ask any respectible Anime fan what they think of Blue Water's dubs.

Depends what dub it is. GT does get mixed reaction but their DB dub generally gets positive feedback.

Yes, the Blue Water GT dub had the original music (like the FUNi dub), a fairly accurate script (General Lock WTF)

Perhaps not quite as bad as Syn Shenron
....
Or is that Omega Shenron....

From what I remember, when it came to Gill's name, the Japanese call him Gill but they pronounced it slightly like Girr because their L equivalent is pronounced that way. Blue Water understood that and called him Gill, Funimation on the other hand called him Giru, (which is annoying considering he repeats his name over in the show) it was spelt as Gill on a screen.

and a "dubbed" (I'm using that term loosely) opening theme song (again, like the FUNi dub).

Funimation's "Take the grand tour" rap opening is perhaps the lowest point a DB dub has got to, it doesn't even compare to the Blue Water opening.

But it's lacking on one of the major points that makes a dub good. The voices. A good dub has both well acted voices and an accurate script. The Blue Water GT dub has (for the most part) an accurate script, but is lacking in the voice department.

If the Blue Water voices had the casting and quality of their GT Krillin you'd have a point. (Ironically, BW's DB Krillin is very good) I found most voices to be either good or acceptable. We'll have to agree to disagree on this point.

I'm begining to think the reason why you're defending the Blue Water GT dub, isn't because you actually like the dub, but rather, because you hate FUNimation's dub.

I can sit down and enjoy a Blue Water dub episode, I can't do that with Funimation's dub.

So Ocean gonna dub Z Kai or not?

At the moment we only have "confirmation" of it from a Funimation insider. If an Ocean Productions dub of Kai is being produced and it was AB Groupe who hired them, they might announce it when Kai is announced for the European territories.

[Metalwario64]

From what I remember, when it came to Gill's name, the Japanese call him Gill but they pronounced it slightly like Girr because their L equivalent is pronounced that way. Blue Water understood that and called him Gill, Funimation on the other hand called him Giru, (which is annoying considering he repeats his name over in the show) it was spelt as Gill on a screen.

What? Girr? His Japanese name is romanized as Giru, and is pronounced as such, but you roll the "r" sound. I have no idea where you get "Girr" from...

What is wrong with FUNimation simply using his romanized name?

and a "dubbed" (I'm using that term loosely) opening theme song (again, like the FUNi dub).

Funimation's "Take the grand tour" rap opening is perhaps the lowest point a DB dub has got to, it doesn't even compare to the Blue Water opening.

He is referring to the actual FUNimation dub of the opening. Vic Mignogna's "Bit-by-Bit" blows away Blue Water's "DRAGON BALL GT", both in lyrics and singing.