Who Hates Dragon Ball?

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Re: Who Hates Dragon Ball?

Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:53 pm

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Rocketman wrote:Dragonball is not an adventure manga, why do people keep saying that.
Because it is? It is to them. Why is that such a big deal? It's got action, comedy, adventure. So therefore if they want to say it's action manga they can. If they want to say it's a comedy manga they can. What are you saying dude? :roll:
He's saying that Dragon Ball isn't an adventure Manga. Didn't you read his post? He's right in saying that because 90% of the Manga consists of fights.

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Re: Who Hates Dragon Ball?

Post by Makaioshin » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:57 pm

It's easily the best of the four anime series, in my opinion. The 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai is also my favorite arc in the series.

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Re: Who Hates Dragon Ball?

Post by SSVegetto » Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:59 pm

Rocketman wrote:
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Rocketman wrote:Dragonball is not an adventure manga, why do people keep saying that.
Because it is? It is to them. Why is that such a big deal? It's got action, comedy, adventure. So therefore if they want to say it's action manga they can. If they want to say it's a comedy manga they can. What are you saying dude? :roll:
I'm saying they're wrong. The very first arc is the only one of the entire gigantic mass that's adventure. In a pinch, you can spot the Red Ribbon Army arc as half-adventure. But that's it. DB has three martial arts tournaments and the King Piccolo arc that aren't adventure in any way.

If you think DB is all adventure, then I have to ask if you've seen anything past Pilaf.
You just contradicted yourself. Proving that they aren't wrong. Who said anything about that it didn't have comedy in it? And since it does have adventure in it. Someone calling it an adventure manga doesn't mean they are wrong. So why is it a big deal if someone calls it a adventure manga when it has adventure in it? And then you turn around and say they are wrong?

It maybe more of gag manga starting out then it is an adventure. But that doesn't mean it's not an adventure manga also.
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Re: Who Hates Dragon Ball?

Post by Kaboom » Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:06 pm

SSVegetto wrote:You just contradicted yourself. Proving that they aren't wrong. Who said anything about that it didn't have comedy in it? And since it does have adventure in it. Someone calling it an adventure manga is not wrong. So are you going to get pissy if someone calls it a adventure manga when it has adventure in it. And then turn around and say they are wrong?
It maybe more of gag manga starting out then it is an adventure. But that doesn't mean it's completely not an adventure manga. Talk about freaking arrogant, Geesh.
How can you spout facts about a cartoon that are opinion based? You must be an extremist? But I suppose everyone is all wrong that has an opinion on how they interpret things huh?
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Re: Who Hates Dragon Ball?

Post by SSVegetto » Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:09 pm

Kaboom wrote:
SSVegetto wrote:You just contradicted yourself. Proving that they aren't wrong. Who said anything about that it didn't have comedy in it? And since it does have adventure in it. Someone calling it an adventure manga is not wrong. So are you going to get pissy if someone calls it a adventure manga when it has adventure in it. And then turn around and say they are wrong?
It maybe more of gag manga starting out then it is an adventure. But that doesn't mean it's completely not an adventure manga. Talk about freaking arrogant, Geesh.
How can you spout facts about a cartoon that are opinion based? You must be an extremist? But I suppose everyone is all wrong that has an opinion on how they interpret things huh?
"ThEy Think It's aN aDVenTure MaNgA!!!!!" "ThEy aRe WrOnG bEcAuSe I dOnt iNtErpRet iT tHaT waY!"
Enough of this attitude, please.
As you wish, I will try to use a friendlier tone, but it kind of seemed like he was being arrogant with his post also.

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Re: Who Hates Dragon Ball?

Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:11 pm

But again, it's more of an action Manga than it is an adventure Manga. It has adventure elements and comedy elements, but the series is mainly about action and fighting. It's like calling the TV show Scrubs a comedy when it's only sometimes funny or Tony Hawk's Pro Skater an RPG when it only has RPG elements.

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Re: Who Hates Dragon Ball?

Post by SSVegetto » Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:18 pm

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:But again, it's more of an action Manga than it is an adventure Manga. It has adventure elements and comedy elements, but the series is mainly about action and fighting. It's like calling the TV show Scrubs a comedy when it's only sometimes funny or Tony Hawk's Pro Skater an RPG when it only has RPG elements.
If you want to think that, that's alright with me. But if someone wants to interpret as an adventure manga. It seems to me, that would be okay. And that doesn't make a person wrong. I just thought he was being extremely arrogant. I mean later on the series, they collect Dragon Balls all the time. Looking for it. To me that strikes adventure. Beginning of the series, then going to Namek. There is a lot of adventure to me. So therefore I would call it an action, adventure manga myself. I wouldn't even call it a comedy manga. Although, I wouldn't deny it started out that way. But it faded so fast. Anyways, why does this have to be a fact? Why does someone have to be wrong for interpreting it that way? Unless it is far fetched. But I don't think someone thinking it has adventure in it is too far from wrong.

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Re: Who Hates Dragon Ball?

Post by MCDaveG » Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:06 am

Dragon Ball is hentai manga, because you can see Bulma's titties few times.
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Re: Who Hates Dragon Ball?

Post by SSVegetto » Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:46 pm

MCDaveG wrote:Dragon Ball is hentai manga, because you can see Bulma's titties few times.
Wahahanoha :lol:
My perspective:
"It's 40% adventure, 40% martial arts, 10% comedy, 4% hentai/nudity, 6% rpg elements. I added that for Piccolo Daimaoh, haha.

It's more adventure than it is comedy to me. :| "

But I suppose there are some Dragon ball extremists (that take too much pride in their manga/anime) that like to force their different view point. And don't want anyone else to disagree with them. So they will come in and say "You are wrong" not just once, but twice. To make them sound right? Or it makes them feel good, maybe? I don't know.

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Re: Who Hates Dragon Ball?

Post by .:PoetikaL:. » Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:56 pm

When one day I show my son the Dragonball manga, and he asks "What are those round things that girl has?" I'll be like "Those are the greatest gifts man has ever received in life." If he says "Well, I like them... a lot!", that's when I'll become the proudest father in the world. :lol:
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Re: Who Hates Dragon Ball?

Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:20 pm

SSVegetto wrote:6% rpg elements. I added that for Piccolo Daimaoh, haha.
Wait, how can an Anime have RPG elements?

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Re: Who Hates Dragon Ball?

Post by Rocketman » Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:48 am

SSVegetto wrote:But I suppose there are some Dragon ball extremists (that take too much pride in their manga/anime) that like to force their different view point. And don't want anyone else to disagree with them. So they will come in and say "You are wrong" not just once, but twice. To make them sound right? Or it makes them feel good, maybe? I don't know.
Or, y'know, because you're wrong.

Clint Eastwood's body contains estrogen. That doesn't make him a woman.
The planet Jupiter contains iron. That doesn't make it a gigantic metal ball.
Your toothbrush contains fecal coliform bacteria. That doesn't make it a turd.
And Dragonball contains adventure elements. That doesn't make it an adventure manga.

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Re: Who Hates Dragon Ball?

Post by SSVegetto » Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:29 pm

Rocketman wrote:
SSVegetto wrote:But I suppose there are some Dragon ball extremists (that take too much pride in their manga/anime) that like to force their different view point. And don't want anyone else to disagree with them. So they will come in and say "You are wrong" not just once, but twice. To make them sound right? Or it makes them feel good, maybe? I don't know.
Or, y'know, because you're wrong.

Clint Eastwood's body contains estrogen. That doesn't make him a woman.
The planet Jupiter contains iron. That doesn't make it a gigantic metal ball.
Your toothbrush contains fecal coliform bacteria. That doesn't make it a turd.
And Dragonball contains adventure elements. That doesn't make it an adventure manga.
Elements, where did I use elements? I clearly stated that I felt that the manga has a great PORTION OF ADVENTURE in it. It's not elements.

As for the RPG elements. That was a f'n joke.

And yes and since it does have "A great PORTION of ADVENTURE IN IT" It does to me make it also an adventure manga. That doesn't make me wrong. You can keep spouting that phrase over and over , but that's not going to make me wrong as the next person. So keep throwing it in.

And also I can go ahead and use the same argument against you.


You're wrong because:

Clint Eastwood's body contains estrogen. That doesn't make him a woman.
The planet Jupiter contains iron. That doesn't make it a gigantic metal ball.
Your toothbrush contains fecal coliform bacteria. That doesn't make it a turd.
And Dragonball contains gag/comedy elements. That doesn't make it an gag/comedy manga.
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Re: Who Hates Dragon Ball?

Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:54 pm

See that's where you're wrong SSVegetto. Dragon Ball doesn't have "a great portion of adventure in it". It only has a bit of it, mostly in it's early story arcs.

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Re: Who Hates Dragon Ball?

Post by SSVegetto » Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:42 am

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:See that's where you're wrong SSVegetto. Dragon Ball doesn't have "a great portion of adventure in it". It only has a bit of it, mostly in it's early story arcs.
Portion "a part of any whole, either separated from or integrated with it"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/portion

A part of any whole, which means it can be 10% of a whole. 2% of a whole. 1% of a whole. I view a "great portion" as more than about 30% of a whole.

Did I say most of it has adventure in it? Did I? Can't you just stop nit picking everything I say?

Anyways, Here it goes:

This is why I pick about 30% of it is adventure because:

What do you call collecting, and seeking dragon balls out at the start of the series, then collecting them again after the tournament (fighting various villains(red ribbon), searching dragonballs out). Going to various places.

Then going into space in Namek, searching for dragon balls once again. Exploring areas.

So yeah, in my interpretation it does have a great portion of an adventure in it. How the hell does that make me wrong? So can we just please drop this?

I'm not even denying someone saying this is a martial arts/fighting manga is wrong. Nor am I denying someone that wants to call it an adventure manga is wrong either. If I said Goku was a female. Then you can go and say I'm wrong. But how the hell can someone say I'm wrong for having a perspective on something. It just baffles me.

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Re: Who Hates Dragon Ball?

Post by jjgp1112 » Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:08 am

If the show is only 30% adventure, than that means the vast majority of the show is something else.
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Re: Who Hates Dragon Ball?

Post by penguintruth » Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:14 am

Dragon Ball retains its adventerous feel well into the Freeza arc. Going to a new planet, meeting aliens, finding a way to collect the Dragon Balls in the midst of the machinations of Freeza and his henchmen? Adventure ho. There are even some adventurous elements in the Androids and Buu arcs, and it's always got that shonen spirit thing going for it that seperates it from just an ordinary action series.

This is why I always felt like "Cha La Head Cha La" fit just fine with the Z TV series, because it's full of that spirit of adventure and possibilities.
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Re: Who Hates Dragon Ball?

Post by SSVegetto » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:31 am

penguintruth wrote:Dragon Ball retains its adventerous feel well into the Freeza arc. Going to a new planet, meeting aliens, finding a way to collect the Dragon Balls in the midst of the machinations of Freeza and his henchmen? Adventure ho. There are even some adventurous elements in the Androids and Buu arcs, and it's always got that shonen spirit thing going for it that seperates it from just an ordinary action series.

This is why I always felt like "Cha La Head Cha La" fit just fine with the Z TV series, because it's full of that spirit of adventure and possibilities.
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That is what I really enjoyed about the Namek, and Freeza portions of the story. Is that I loved the adventure to it. It was so random and fun. Vegeta running around on Namek collecting the Dragon balls. Krillin, and Gohan running around trying to avoid Vegeta, and Freeza. Vegeta trying to avoid Freeza, Vegeta escaping from Freeza. Then Vegeta running around some more. Goku was training in space. It was so much fun. You never know what was going to happen.

That is one great advantage that the Namek arc/story and Freeza arc/story had over the rest of the series. Was the adventure aspect of it. We never really got that in that Cell arc/story or Boo arc/story. It's a darn shame. Maybe a little here and there.

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Re: Who Hates Dragon Ball?

Post by Rocketman » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:20 am

SSVegetto wrote:This is why I pick about 30% of it is adventure because:

What do you call collecting, and seeking dragon balls out at the start of the series, then collecting them again after the tournament (fighting various villains(red ribbon), searching dragonballs out). Going to various places.

Then going into space in Namek, searching for dragon balls once again. Exploring areas.

So yeah, in my interpretation it does have a great portion of an adventure in it.
-Pilaf Arc (yes)
-21st Tournament
-Red Ribbon (ok)
-Fortune Teller Baba
-22nd Tournament
-King Piccolo
-23rd T.
-Saiyans
-Namek (counts for .5, as the adventure stops dead when the Ginyu Force shows up)
-Androids
-Buu

2.5 arcs out of 10. 25%.

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