New Freeza Talkback

[jjgp1112]

I'm sorry but you need to set the nostalgia aside if you honestly think Young could of done what Ayres is doing with the same direction and script. On the flip side certain Japanese voice enthusiasts are equally guilty of having unreasonable standards when adapting characters into English.

How about actually addressing his points instead of brushing them off?

[Ultimate_DB_Fan]

I'm sorry but you need to set the nostalgia aside if you honestly think Young could of done what Ayres is doing with the same direction and script.

Why am I not inclined to say that I think Young could pull off Ayres is doing? This isn't about nostalgia, this is about a take on a character that could've easily been done with the original voice actress. Haters just say, "She sounded like an evil grandma," and leave it at that.

[RazorX]

YES SHE DOES.

Watch This.

Then try telling us Linda's Freeza sounds like an old woman.

...

THEY PITCHED.

HER DOWN.

THAT WAS...

THE POINT.

Not because Linda sounds like an old woman, but because they wanted to match the new appearance with a deeper voice.

That is NOT A GOOD EXAMPLE.

Sorry, but... that is just... What.

That is decent acting combined with a voice filter to give us the final version. Linda made Freeza sound cocky and menacing, you can tell by her acting that there's not a thing Vegeta, Krillin or Gohan can do and Freeza not only knows that but is enjoying it by toying with them.

it's not really fair to use that as a comparison as anybody can sound like any type of voice with artificial pitch modulation.

The filter was used to deepen Linda's voice so it sounds masculine. You can't expect a woman to be able to do a deep, masculine voice sustained over a prolonged period of time as well as keeping it in character, the filter was a good idea, it helped me like Linda's portrayal more than her first form portrayal. I don't think Linda sounded like an old woman in the first form either.

No, Ayres Freeza sounds almost the same as Dr. Octopus, deal with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb5715XzxeM

Dr Octopus sounds like a generic man whereas Ayres' Freeza sounds androgynous. They're not even remotely similar.

You seem to be in the tiny minority who either can't or doesn't want to hear the blatantly obvious similarity between Ayres' Freeza and Newstone's Freeza. It was picked up by many people from the first scene and reinforced in the episode after that.

becauce of how repetitive this newstone/linda BS is getting

You didn't even bother to capitalise the first letter of their names which is not only poor grammar, it's also disrespectful. It appears to me you simply don't want to hear the obvious similarity between Ayres' and Newstone's Freeza voices.

This issue is not BS, it's repetitive because of the tone and direction of the new Freeza voice, making comparisons to the original Ocean version inevitable.

[Greenman]

I'm sorry but you need to set the nostalgia aside if you honestly think Young could of done what Ayres is doing with the same direction and script.

Why am I not inclined to say that I think Young could pull off Ayres is doing? This isn't about nostalgia, this is about a take on a character that could've easily been done with the original voice actress. Haters just say, "She sounded like an evil grandma," and leave it at that.

I hate Young's Freeza but after listening to Ayres' Freeza in episode 20... I think you could be right. With a new script and some vocal changes she could probably pull off a Freeza close in style to Chris Ayres'.

[bkev]

I really, really hate that pitched-down Linda Young voice...

[TonyTheTiger]

All nitpicking aside, I'm pretty sure Ayres is just a better actor than Young. And that's not necessarily a knock against Young. And I actually agree with whoever said Ayres fluctuates between a Newstone impression and a softer voice. I actually like it. He goes from "bored Freeza" to "scary voice Freeza" nicely. I agree with Schemmel that Ayres's peformance is downright scary, unpredictably so. Almost Joker level.

I say that even if the voice isn't what people wanted and/or expected to hear, the performance is spot on.

[RazorX]

-Rant about old women snipped-

If by "SG2" in your signature you are referring to yourself, then you are a female. If you're not old now, you'll be so in the future, which means you'll be an old woman one day, so why the rant?

Newstone is a woman trying to sound like an androgynous cartoon alien male

Newstone does sound androgynous.

The voice may be similar to Newstone's, but what sets it apart is the acting. Again, Newstone, like everyone else in the Ocean dub, was directed to have this corny, Saturday Morning Cartoon quality, and it showed.

I never, ever thought the Ocean dub voice actors tried to sound "Saturday Cartoonish" and I don't know why you do. I don't think their idea of Saturday cartoonish is scaring the shit out of kids via Brian Drummond's legendary "You won't escape my wrath"

[jjgp1112]

Everything about the Ocean Dub just screamed Saturday Cartoon to me. The music, the voice acting, the jokes, the sound effects...everything.

[MR.Mark]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb5715XzxeM

Dr Octopus sounds like a generic man whereas Ayres' Freeza sounds androgynous. They're not even remotely similar.

Wow, he sounds like a generic man? If I walked down the street and heard most men talking like Dr. Octopus from Spec Spidey I'd feel like I was in the Twilight Zone. Don't even get me started with the "They're not even remotely similar" comment.


Just finished episode 21 of the dub, they are doing a AMAZING job with Freeza's dialogue in English. Combined with Chris definitive Freeza, the Kai dub really shows how utterly off the DBZ dub freeza was in every way.

How about actually addressing his points instead of brushing them off?

Anyone else hear an annoying buzzing sound?

All nitpicking aside, I'm pretty sure Ayres is just a better actor than Young. And that's not necessarily a knock against Young. And I actually agree with whoever said Ayres fluctuates between a Newstone impression and a softer voice. I actually like it. He goes from "bored Freeza" to "scary voice Freeza" nicely. I agree with Schemmel that Ayres's peformance is downright scary, unpredictably so. Almost Joker level.

I say that even if the voice isn't what people wanted and/or expected to hear, the performance is spot on.

Fully agreed, this isnt just about "the voice" (though I love it), but the ACTING. Ayres just has the better acting chops, chops that are needed when properly handling a character like Freeza.

Young is best suited for characters like Baba, other than the fact that her voice will NEVER be right for Freeza.

[Clockwork00]

I didn't much care for Freeza's "He had to go bye-bye" line. Everything else, though, was fantastic.

[TonyTheTiger]

Freeza's always been kinda snarky so I kinda liked it, myself. It might be a little colloquial for him but so far I don't have any complaints.

[Metalwario64]

I didn't much care for Freeza's "He had to go bye-bye" line. Everything else, though, was fantastic.

It reminded me of Japanese Nappa's line about Piccolo going "bed-y-bye". Wish they had kept that in Kai's dub, but it was still pretty accurate.

[penguintruth]

Everything about the Ocean Dub just screamed Saturday Cartoon to me. The music, the voice acting, the jokes, the sound effects...everything.

And then Funimation changed nothing at all about that when they did it themselves, except they chose even less talented voice actors.

[jjgp1112]

I didn't much care for Freeza's "He had to go bye-bye" line. Everything else, though, was fantastic.

It reminded me of Japanese Nappa's line about Piccolo going "bed-y-bye". Wish they had kept that in Kai's dub, but it was still pretty accurate.

Yeah, I agree, I thought it kinda fit Frieza's snarky character.

[Blue]

Well...they got rid of the sound effects didn't they?

[jjgp1112]

Even if you dislike the dub music...if you say that Faulconer's music actually resembles the stereotypical "Saturday Morning Cartoon music," then I'm inclined to think that you're talking out of your ass. It's a very different style.

[MR.Mark]

Would Dbz dub fans feel better if I just called it "bad music" instead?

[bkev]

I'm gonna have to agree with mister over 1000 above me... I don't think I've heard any Faulconer-esque music in a Saturday morning cartoon. Modern ones all reek of Shuki Levy style, even if he didn't compose the tracks used.

[penguintruth]

I don't think I've heard any Faulconer-esque music in a Saturday morning cartoon.

You think Faulconer's music is good for a cartoon?

Shirley Walker laughs at Bruce Faulconer. Er, from beyond.

[bkev]

Never said it was good above, my opinion is irrelevant; but yes, I do enjoy it at times. Also, never - never - question my love of Shirley Walker.
edit: to make it clear there's no comparison between the two.