New Freeza Talkback

[Super Sonic]

Haven't watched today's ep yet, (was asleep and now taping on dvr) but thought the new Frieza voice will take some getting used to. Though still wanted an evil British accent.

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

-Rant about old women snipped-

If by "SG2" in your signature you are referring to yourself, then you are a female. If you're not old now, you'll be so in the future, which means you'll be an old woman one day, so why the rant?

I'm not going to be voicing animated male villains? I'm not trying to sell my voice as being masculine? I'm sorry, I don't quite see what my gender has to do with my commentary.

Also, guys, please. Can everyone with differing opinions please stop bickering in this thread? Mr. Mark in particular, you're antagonizing people whether you realize it or not, and everyone responding to that antagonistic attitude isn't much better. Mike already locked one Freeza voice thread, and if he wanted to lock this one now I would not blame him.

Can we please all discuss without bickering? Christ, none of us are going to have the same opinion about the voice. It's a big change and there are a lot of types of fans here - Linda fans, Linda haters, indifferents, people liking Chris, people not liking him, etc...let's stop fighting. You're giving the board a bad reputation with this constant back-and-forth. I'm in no position of power around here to say something like this, especially since I only come on sporadically, but everyone, knock it off. Please.

[Undercooked Sausage]

Was initially reserved on the new voice from the one line last week but after hearing it this week, sitting with it, letting it in for a few minutes, I am fucking impressed. proper, slightly feminine, just a tad creepy, and you can hear the terrifying, angry side of his take bubbling under it. Fuck, I am sold. This is the dub I have wanted for over a decade. FUNimation, please take my money!

New zarbon is about 1000x better too, and he is not even that major of a character, holy shit. I wish they had recasted more people arrrrrrgh.

[Ultimate_DB_Fan]

-Rant about old women snipped-

If by "SG2" in your signature you are referring to yourself, then you are a female. If you're not old now, you'll be so in the future, which means you'll be an old woman one day, so why the rant?

I'm not going to be voicing animated male villains? I'm not trying to sell my voice as being masculine? I'm sorry, I don't quite see what my gender has to do with my commentary.

Also, guys, please. Can everyone with differing opinions please stop bickering in this thread? Mr. Mark in particular, you're antagonizing people whether you realize it or not, and everyone responding to that antagonistic attitude isn't much better. Mike already locked one Freeza voice thread, and if he wanted to lock this one now I would not blame him.

Can we please all discuss without bickering? Christ, none of us are going to have the same opinion about the voice. It's a big change and there are a lot of types of fans here - Linda fans, Linda haters, indifferents, people liking Chris, people not liking him, etc...let's stop fighting. You're giving the board a bad reputation with this constant back-and-forth. I'm in no position of power around here to say something like this, especially since I only come on sporadically, but everyone, knock it off. Please.

It's okay, man. He's just another prime example of someone who can't properly carry a conversation, from this good ol' site here.

[RazorX]

Wow, he sounds like a generic man? If I walked down the street and heard most men talking like Dr. Octopus from Spec Spidey I'd feel like I was in the Twilight Zone. Don't even get me started with the "They're not even remotely similar" comment.

Are we talking about the same character? I have never seen that Spiderman cartoon. From what I gathered from the video, Dr Octopus is the fat man with the vest. He doesn't sound anything like Ayres' or Newstone's Freeza. The tone of Dr Octopus is that of a generic man but the acting isn't. Even the acting seems generically cartoony, which might fit that cartoon. I don't know if Ayres is voicing Dr Octopus. If he is, Ayres has some range, if he isn't, I don't know why you brought it up.

But he wasn't actually involved in the making of most of the music.

Yes he was. Bruce did at least 5 or 6 themes. Off the top of my head, he did the main DBZ opening theme, Ginyu transformation and Cell Jrs attack. Who knows how many themes Bruce did after Scott left during the Funi Cell Games dubbing.

Even if Funimation told him what style they wanted, Bruce could've used creativity to create something decent. But he didn't. We can judge his work somewhat in Funi's Z dub.

It doesn't help that Bruce shamelessly took all the credit for the Funi Z soundtrack when he was releasing his music CDs.

I'm not going to be voicing animated male villains? I'm not trying to sell my voice as being masculine? I'm sorry, I don't quite see what my gender has to do with my commentary.

Just because Young might be an old woman, doesn't automatically mean she can't do the role of Freeza. Her Freeza sounds nothing like an old woman. That Genkai clip posted earlier has an unfitting voice. Luckily for me I don't like YYH. I wouldn't want to watch episodes with that voice on Genkai.

Someone mentioned earlier Linda is an old woman because she has an adult son. That doesn't automatically mean she's old. We don't know her age, she could've been a teenage mother for all we know.

[The Tori-bot]

Shirley Walker laughs at Bruce Faulconer. Er, from beyond.

No, that was mostly Kristopher Carter, who pales in comparison really...

I'm sorry, I just had to get that out.

[batistabus]

I'm not even kidding, last night I had a dream Linda Young turned into Second Form Freeza and went on a rampage looking for other voice actors to join forces with her.

...

Anyway, like most of you I hated the new Freeza at first but now I'm in love with it. As for the whole "his voice changes with forms" theory, I'm thinking it might be plausible (while not all too necessary at this point). When asked about it on his Facebook Fan Page, Schemmel commented saying...

Some people are speculating all the time, and they should stop speculating and just watch the show and find out.

Take that for what you will.

[mystic trunks]

Freeza's new voice is AWESOME!! This is without a doubt the best dub Freeza we have ever had, and this is just his base form. I can't wait to see how good his later forms will be.

[MR.Mark]

I have never seen that Spiderman cartoon. From what I gathered from the video, Dr Octopus is the fat man with the vest. He doesn't sound anything like Ayres' or Newstone's Freeza. The tone of Dr Octopus is that of a generic man but the acting isn't. Even the acting seems generically cartoony, which might fit that cartoon. I don't know if Ayres is voicing Dr Octopus. If he is, Ayres has some range, if he isn't, I don't know why you brought it up.

Spectacular Spiderman is a great cartoon, it's to Spiderman as Batman: tas is to Batman. As for the cartoony crack, the show also has some great actors that worked on it, easily rivaling most of the acting in the Kai dub. In the end, your free to hear whatever you want, but going as far as saying Doc Ock sounds like a generic man? I think your being stubborn just to disagree with me.

again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb5715XzxeM

Comon, you don't hear it, even a little bit?

[SonGokuGT]

Sounds pretty good to me! I can't wait to see more, but that chuckle pretty much won me over.

[Big Momma]

I have never seen that Spiderman cartoon. From what I gathered from the video, Dr Octopus is the fat man with the vest. He doesn't sound anything like Ayres' or Newstone's Freeza. The tone of Dr Octopus is that of a generic man but the acting isn't. Even the acting seems generically cartoony, which might fit that cartoon. I don't know if Ayres is voicing Dr Octopus. If he is, Ayres has some range, if he isn't, I don't know why you brought it up.

Spectacular Spiderman is a great cartoon, it's to Spiderman as Batman: tas is to Batman. As for the cartoony crack, the show also has some great actors that worked on it, easily rivaling most of the acting in the Kai dub. In the end, your free to hear whatever you want, but going as far as saying Doc Ock sounds like a generic man? I think your being stubborn just to disagree with me.

again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb5715XzxeM

Comon, you don't hear it, even a little bit?

I like it more than the 90s Spiderman toon...but is Doc Oc supposed to be a pushover like that?

[MR.Mark]

I like it more than the 90s Spiderman toon...but is Doc Oc supposed to be a pushover like that?

Indeed, Ock is like the anti-spider man, the nerd that got pushed around. Just he instead to use his powers for evil instead of good.

[Xyex]

You can try and claim the new Freeza is good all you want, but the plain fact is... it's horrible. It's bland, generic, dull, and forgettable. It sounds like they just picked one of their random background character voices and plucked it down for Freeza, then hired two voice directors with different ideas of what the voice direction should be and had them direct different lines. It's bad. Very bad.

Then again, the only real defense I've seen given for the voice is "It occasionally imitates Nakao" so I guess that explains it. Everyone's so fangasming over the similarity with the JP version style that they're completely ignoring the complete suck that is the actual voice and acting.

[Kaboom]

You can try and claim the new Freeza is good all you want, but the plain fact is... it's horrible. It's bland, generic, dull, and forgettable. It sounds like they just picked one of their random background character voices and plucked it down for Freeza, then hired two voice directors with different ideas of what the voice direction should be and had them direct different lines. It's bad. Very bad.

Then again, the only real defense I've seen given for the voice is "It occasionally imitates Nakao" so I guess that explains it. Everyone's so fangasming over the similarity with the JP version style that they're completely ignoring the complete suck that is the actual voice and acting.

Either something's wrong with your ears, or you've got a really wonky idea of Freeza's character. It's not just the fact that he sounds like Nakao on occasion. It's the fact that the performance is brilliantly mixing that androgynous tone WITH the fake-politeness that defines Freeza and his cocky, haughty attitude. He sounds subdued and calm, but you can tell there's a venomous fake-ness to it underneath. It's a big deal because that's how Freeza has always been written (save for in the Z dub, of course), and there's finally someone voicing him capable of pulling that character off.

I can see why one might think that it sounds like a "generic alien voice," but... well first off, Young's rendition was just as guilty of that. Either way, that's again falling into the trap of only grazing the surface of the character's portrayal. It's not JUST the voice that matters. It's the tone and delivery.

If it sounds "bland" to you... then I guess Freeza is bland. This IS Freeza's character. This IS the type of voice and delivery Freeza should have in fitting with that character. If you don't like it, then... well, you must not know Freeza as well as you think you do, or must have some other reason not to care.

[jjgp1112]

Fri­eza's new voice is good...if what you were looking for is a voice that sounds exactly like the JP Fr­ieza, I guess. But so far I've heard nothing that Linda Young didn't do in that scene in the Z Dub. She was just more aggressive sounding, I guess.

[batistabus]

Fri­eza's new voice is good...if what you were looking for is a voice that sounds exactly like the JP Fr­ieza, I guess. But so far I've heard nothing that Linda Young didn't do in that scene in the Z Dub. She was just more aggressive sounding, I guess.

I honestly do not think Linda could pull this off. You have to be able to talk fluently to have a delivery like this and that's hard for her to do with the voice she does for Freeza.

Another thing Linda was lacking in was her ability to scream. Her screams are short and unbelievable. So even if you believe Linda could pull off this type of scripting, her ability to scream would fall short.

[RazorX]

Spectacular Spiderman is a great cartoon, it's to Spiderman as Batman: tas is to Batman. As for the cartoony crack, the show also has some great actors that worked on it, easily rivaling most of the acting in the Kai dub. In the end, your free to hear whatever you want, but going as far as saying Doc Ock sounds like a generic man? I think your being stubborn just to disagree with me.

Not really. I have not seen that Spiderman cartoon you gave a clip link to before, so I have no reason to think positively or negatively about it. When Ayres' first scene of Freeza came, I immediately noticed the huge similarity to Newstone's Freeza, and so did a lot of other people. Why? Because both voices sound androgynous and the delivery is also very similar. With Dr Octopus, you can clearly tell it's a man voicing him, he doesn't sound androgynous at all.

again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb5715XzxeM

Comon, you don't hear it, even a little bit?

Can you specify a certain timepoint on the video which you feel the voice is similar to Ayres' Freeza? Might make it easier to look for the similarities.

You can try and claim the new Freeza is good all you want, but the plain fact is... it's horrible. It's bland, generic, dull, and forgettable.

That was my concern when the Freeza recast was announced. But as it turned out, the new Freeza voice is good and the acting is impressing me more and more as each episode progresses.

[MR.Mark]

Agree to disagree then, I hear Doc Ock, you hear Newstone. It doesn't matter either way, as the new Freeza voice rocks and suits the character perfectly. It exceeded my expectations completely.

[SSVegetto]

Well, when the site tends to disregard anything but the original version it's not too surprising its forum would be a gathering-place for those that agree with those sentiments. :p

So why aren't we disregarding Kai? So you are basically saying most people here have a brainwashed opinion thinking that anything that isn't in the original version is not good. You are talking about the music. So why aren't we disregarding Toei's new music track for Kai. Oh I know, because it's from Japan.

So that's basically saying, That the music Toei used for Dragonball and Dragonball Z is original. Therefore nobody else could put better music in it or change it? If that's your logic, then why aren't we disregarding Kai? Kai doesn't keep the original music?

Hell, why aren't we disregarding the Toei's Dragonball and Dragonball Z animes? Those aren't the original versions. The manga is the original.

Anyways, I doubt this website tends to disregard that stuff. It's more like they regard everything from Japan as superior. That there is nothing wrong with Dragonball, Toriyama never made mistakes. The music they always use is perfect. Their voice actors are perfect and they shall never be analyzed, nitpicked, or strongly critiqued. They never are. "We must analyze the filler parts" "We must never talk about them like a fact" "If someone is saying something incorrectly, we must chop their head off even though it's a cartoon" "dbz wiki is so evil because they speculate about filler" "They get facts wrong about a cartoon" "That's a English dub line oh no, it's evil!"

So anyways, here is why the English dub is being critiqued like someone is doing a scientific study on it (because it's not a Japanese language). Sitting in their basement dwelling on it, for a million hours straight. Comparing to every known voice dubber ever known to man. Not enough rasp, raspy, too raspy, just enough rasp, too deep, too female, too masculine, too old, too touch of this dub actor, too much imitation, grandma, comparing it to batman, every single cartoon ever made by ever single dub actor, and too blob, blob, etc.

Oh, I did I mention the fact that people are bitching about the English dub because it sounds like a cartoon? Or the English dub voices sound cartoonish. <--- That is the dumbest statement I heard in this thread so far. Since I don't know, it is a CARTOON, and it is being shown on a CARTOON station? SO THEREFORE THE VOICE ACTORS WOULD SOUND CARTOONISH? For Gosh sakes how on earth can someone say oh the Ocean dub sounds too cartoonish like a Sunday cartoon. When that's what animes are, they are cartoons.

So after the million hours of experimenting, talking about it, and analyzing we come to the conclusion people don't want to give a second thought on the Japanese dub actors. Because we can't analyze their voices. They are never wrong. They are Japanese. The voices are automatically superior and they shall not be judged.

That's everyone's mindsets here. And come to think of it, where the hell is the huge ass thread about the Japanese dub actors critique. There isn't one? Comparing Japanese actor to Japanese actor? Why, because they are so perfect?

Also, where does the English dub go wrong. Well, for people Suupaa Gohan 2, it's just because it is in English. And it's not a perfect English dub because it's in English. Not in Japanese.

(I mean let's be realistic, millions of Americans know and love Sabat as Vegeta and Schemmel as Goku, things like that just couldn't ever be recast even if they should rightly be for a perfect dub, and I've come to accept that...they really do seem to be doing the best they can to act better, so I'll take what I can get). There will never be a perfect FUNimation dub of the Dragonball series. It's been ten years and too much damage has been done to have them completely change that.

It can't be perfect because English words are spoken? So to speak what you are saying. How about newsflash, neither can the Japanese dub be perfect also. So you are basically saying since millions of other fans that like Sean's Vegeta and Schemmel's Goku voices. So therefore, it can never can be a good English dub. Because their opinions are wrong. And yours is right. And therefore since you are right, the English dub would never be perfect. That's basically shoving your opinion down people's throats as a fact. And saying everyone that likes these voices have the wrong opinion. Therefore it lacks a perfect English dub. And that's why their can't be a perfect English dub. How could million's of people be wrong that it's a good voice?

I would like to hear your idea of a perfect English dub. Perhaps the Japanese dub actors, can spend about 3 years learning English. Then dubbing Kai in English. That's would be your expectation of a perfect English dub. YOUR Expectations are way too high. And you are biased as heck. That is what I get out of your rant. I mean you can't be bothered to explain why Goku and Vegeta's voice is wrong other than to say that it's not Japanese.



I knew this was a mistake. To even make an English dub for Kai* because of snobbish fans that are so biased about Japanese. Obsessed with the culture and don't blink an eye for criticism for them. This arguing about the English dub is ridiculous because no one in bloody hell does it for the Japanese dub. And if you aren't going to do it for the bloody Japanese dub. Then if that's the case, then stop being so biased and stop doing it for the English dub. THEY ARE JUST VOICES!

Hell, kids are even more mature than adults. I bet the kids watching the series. Don't even sit their and whine about an English dub. They either watch it or be quiet about it. And get used to the voices and treat it as if it was the original to being with, Or it was made as a cartoon as one of our own. (OH yeah, I know that's so evil to treat it as their own, but guess what that's what people do, I did it when I was a kid also when I watched the DBZ, is everyone evil for thinking that, and breaking the ANIME LAW!) Kids haven't seen the Japanese dub, probably, most. And they don't have to either. Therefore I think they have a lot more sense not to whine and bitch about it. Everyone acts like people should have to.

*The kids enjoy it, instead of senselessly bitching and comparing the English dub to other actors. No kid does that. Because it is utterly crazy. This is crazy people. Stop, it's just a voice for a cartoon. Even the Japanese dub is just a voice for a cartoon. And nothing is utter perfect. Even for the Japanese dub. And nobody critiques them like they do here, like the insanity of this thread, that most of you guys for the English dub. It's just crazy-ness in this thread. The most craziest people of group of fans are here right in this forum. That must analyze something like this scientifically. I just think it's crazy. I can't actually stop you. Go ahead. But I'm just telling you, as other people read this, some people are going to think you are nutz for getting so strung out about voices for a cartoon.

*Note: this is assuming kids even watch it. I don't even know. But if they were. I can guarantee they aren't sitting their analyzing their asses of trying to figure out what is wrong with their voices.

*Note: I can't even make a post because you guys are still analyzing everything to death. I wonder if this post will ever go through.

[Taku128]

Fri­eza's new voice is good...if what you were looking for is a voice that sounds exactly like the JP Fr­ieza, I guess. But so far I've heard nothing that Linda Young didn't do in that scene in the Z Dub. She was just more aggressive sounding, I guess.

What are you talking about? Ayres' Freeza sounds nothing like Nakao's. And Young's Freeza never came close to Ayres' performance. You should link to some clips to prove your point instead of just saying it sounded better.