Post Dragon Box

[Castor Troy]

The old FUNi singles are about a dollar online if you really want them.

[jjgp1112]

My opinions and thoughts are the same as everyone else has put forth. They've left replacement musical scores behind. They're a "legitimate" domestic anime company now. This is all for the best.

But then one could say it's an old dub, so what's the point in changing anything old to conform to modern stuff? Isn't that why people hate how the Next Episode Preview order is changed in the Dragon Box, or when people "remaster" stuff to look like modern animation? Just leave the old stuff alone, and apply your smarter techniques to newer stuff. Sometimes you have to realize that it's too late to try and change old stuff, especially if you do it half-assed.

[Castor Troy]

I could do this since I have backups of the season sets, does anyone know a good video editing program for Mac (stupid question) for said event. I know they say it during the credits, but what program did VegettoEX, Castor Troy, and crew to make the Doomrider AMV?

Most of us used Adobe Premiere. Which is also available on the mac.

[JulieYBM]

My opinions and thoughts are the same as everyone else has put forth. They've left replacement musical scores behind. They're a "legitimate" domestic anime company now. This is all for the best.

But then one could say it's an old dub, so what's the point in changing anything old to conform to modern stuff? Isn't that why people hate how the Next Episode Preview order is changed in the Dragon Box, or when people "remaster" stuff to look like modern animation? Just leave the old stuff alone, and apply your smarter techniques to newer stuff. Sometimes you have to realize that it's too late to try and change old stuff, especially if you do it half-assed.

Baby steps. Years from now they could re-release the series' completely redubbed with accurate scripts and better acting in the dub (and hopefully less Chris Sabat).

[MetalMadness]

Personally, what I don't understand is why they chose to include two tracks: English dub with Japanese music, and Japanese dub with Japanese music.

Now think about this logically. If a fan wants the Japanese music, then it's more than likely they'd want the Japanese dub as well.

Why couldn't Funi have made it English dub with English music, and Japanese dub with Japanese music?

I believe that there are many, many more Dub + Dub music fans than Dub + Japanese music.



By the way, on the topic of the splicing, I already have experience in that field myself. Vegas Pro is a good program to use, or Adobe Premiere.

It honestly isn't that time consuming, all you're really doing separating the video and audio from the Dragon Box, and then mixing the video with the Season Set audio.

As for ripping the DVDs, I always rip my DVDs on my computer. Because I don't trust discs. They always end up malfunctioning for one stupid reason or another, and I'm not letting my money go to waste, so I have every right to rip them onto my own computer just in case.

[VegettoEX]

My opinions and thoughts are the same as everyone else has put forth. They've left replacement musical scores behind. They're a "legitimate" domestic anime company now. This is all for the best.

But then one could say it's an old dub, so what's the point in changing anything old to conform to modern stuff? Isn't that why people hate how the Next Episode Preview order is changed in the Dragon Box, or when people "remaster" stuff to look like modern animation? Just leave the old stuff alone, and apply your smarter techniques to newer stuff. Sometimes you have to realize that it's too late to try and change old stuff, especially if you do it half-assed.

Can't I just turn that right back around on you and say that since the show as its own entity was older than FUNimation's dub... what was the point in changing anything old to conform to modern stuff (of the relative time, being 1996-2004ish)...?

Of course, we could talk all day about marketing, production norms of the day, and so on and forth... but the truth of the matter is that we're all better off for where things have headed, and I don't see too many legitimate arguments against that.

[jjgp1112]

My opinions and thoughts are the same as everyone else has put forth. They've left replacement musical scores behind. They're a "legitimate" domestic anime company now. This is all for the best.

But then one could say it's an old dub, so what's the point in changing anything old to conform to modern stuff? Isn't that why people hate how the Next Episode Preview order is changed in the Dragon Box, or when people "remaster" stuff to look like modern animation? Just leave the old stuff alone, and apply your smarter techniques to newer stuff. Sometimes you have to realize that it's too late to try and change old stuff, especially if you do it half-assed.

Baby steps. Years from now they could re-release the series' completely redubbed with accurate scripts and better acting in the dub (and hopefully less Chris Sabat).

But...isn't that what we have Kai for?

Can't I just turn that right back around on you and say that since the show as its own entity was older than FUNimation's dub... what was the point in changing anything old to conform to modern stuff (of the relative time, being 1996-2004ish)...?

But that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I'm talking about what we have right now. What's been done is done and we can't change the past. Regardless of whether they should've done anything to change DBZ shouldn't matter, because they did, and there's nothing we can do about it, and considering the fact that they haven't produced anything new for Dragon Ball Z specifically besides endless re-releases, why can't they just leave their older stuff alone for re-releases so that the people who remember it can actually enjoy it like they used too? The Japanese version fanbase isn't the only fanbase that matter, and besides, the Japanese version is right there on the releases already...so what's the problem?

[Kendamu]

But...isn't that what we have Kai for?

Some people don't like Kai all that much. Those people might want to see the original Z get a proper dub, too.

Personally, what I don't understand is why they chose to include two tracks: English dub with Japanese music, and Japanese dub with Japanese music.

Now think about this logically. If a fan wants the Japanese music, then it's more than likely they'd want the Japanese dub as well.

Why couldn't Funi have made it English dub with English music, and Japanese dub with Japanese music?

Just about every dub out there now has the "Japanese music" in the dub. Why shouldn't Dragonball Z? Besides, what you're talking about is not just the "Japanese music," it's the actual score to the show! Why does Dragonball Z need a fake score just for Americans when it has perfectly great music already? That's like changing the music for Batman: The Animated Series to techno-rock because the moody goth-ish orchestra music that already fit the show perfectly.

I'm not just coming at this from a whiny Japanese fanboy perspective, either. As a dub-only watcher when I first got into DBZ years and years ago, I always wondered, "Why don't they use that really cool music from DBZ Movies 1-3 in the TV show? Why does it only show up in the movies? The show would be a million times better with that music!" This was before I knew that the music I was talking about is the original soundtrack from Japan.

After saying all that, I have to come back to this: Why think it's logical to assume that someone watching a dub wants dub music when all the other dubs I see out there get the Japanese score (read: actual score).

I believe that there are many, many more Dub + Dub music fans than Dub + Japanese music.

For now. I don't hear any kids wishing Kai got a replacement score. Years from now, those kids won't even be having this discussion.

[JulieYBM]

But...isn't that what we have Kai for?

Dragon Ball Kai is not Dragon Ball Z.

[Castor Troy]

But...isn't that what we have Kai for?

Dragon Ball Kai is not Dragon Ball Z.

Dragon Ball Kai is more like Dragon Ball Z and a half or Dragon Ball Z Jr.

[Big Momma]

For now. I don't hear any kids wishing Kai got a replacement score. Years from now, those kids won't even be having this discussion.

Well...as far as Kai goes, they don't have any other choices. I'm sure if the FUNi dub would have used the original BGM from the get-go, we wouldn't be having discussions like this, either.

[Kendamu]

For now. I don't hear any kids wishing Kai got a replacement score. Years from now, those kids won't even be having this discussion.

Well...as far as Kai goes, they don't have any other choices. I'm sure if the FUNi dub would have used the original BGM from the get-go, we wouldn't be having discussions like this, either.

That was a point I was implying, but I didn't wanna get more long-winded and just come out with it.

[Choice195]

But...isn't that what we have Kai for?

Dragon Ball Kai is not Dragon Ball Z.

Dragon Ball Kai is more like Dragon Ball Z and a half or Dragon Ball Z Jr.

Dragon ball Z Jr?

[.:PoetikaL:.]

Well...as far as Kai goes, they don't have any other choices. I'm sure if the FUNi dub would have used the original BGM from the get-go, we wouldn't be having discussions like this, either.

We have a winner.

Honestly though, I don't think people will complain about the score. Why? It's a refreshed version of Dragon Ball Z with a new score for a new generation to enjoy. FUNi back in the day had to do the score to appeal to the American audience, and sadly, I got hooked to it... but my mindset has changed as well since then because I only watch the show in its original Japanese format. One day children will research the Daizex Wiki (If it's up by then ) and look at Kanzentai, and realize that there is so much info in DB, DBZ and GT (and I guess Kai) that they have to watch the "original" Japanese version... and learn what a lot of us here at Daizenshuu EX enjoy.

EDIT: Not so someone complains at my post, but at the end part I don't want people to think that they have to choose the version they like with the Japanese version. I'm only saying that I hope they watch it and hopefully realize why many of us like the original Japanese version. I'm not saying to outright choose the original, to each his own I say.

[SonEric84]

But...isn't that what we have Kai for?

Dragon Ball Kai is not Dragon Ball Z.

Dragon Ball Kai is more like Dragon Ball Z and a half or Dragon Ball Z Jr.

Dragon Ball Z: Cliff Notes Edition, even.

Kai is okay, but it would be nice to see Z with a whole new dub some day. If not, I can live perfectly fine with the original.

[Kendamu]

Well...as far as Kai goes, they don't have any other choices. I'm sure if the FUNi dub would have used the original BGM from the get-go, we wouldn't be having discussions like this, either.

We have a winner.

Honestly though, I don't think people will complain about the score. Why? It's a refreshed version of Dragon Ball Z with a new score for a new generation to enjoy. FUNi back in the day had to do the score to appeal to the American audience, and sadly, I got hooked to it... but my mindset has changed as well since then because I only watch the show in its original Japanese format. One day children will research the Daizex Wiki (If it's up by then ) and look at Kanzentai, and realize that there is so much info in DB, DBZ and GT (and I guess Kai) that they have to watch the "original" Japanese version... and learn what a lot of us here at Daizenshuu EX enjoy.

EDIT: Not so someone complains at my post, but at the end part I don't want people to think that they have to choose the version they like with the Japanese version. I'm only saying that I hope they watch it and hopefully realize why many of us like the original Japanese version. I'm not saying to outright choose the original, to each his own I say.

The only thing I disagree with is the "they had to change it" part. They were still using the original score in Japan about a year before we got DBZ. It was that "old" at the time. It would've been perfectly fine. In fact, it was perfectly fine in the DBZ movies we had at the time. Nobody complained about the Japanese music then. I find it funny that it's suddenly this horrible, evil thing now.

[.:PoetikaL:.]

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The only thing I disagree with is the "they had to change it" part. They were still using the original score in Japan about a year before we got DBZ. It was that "old" at the time. It would've been perfectly fine. In fact, it was perfectly fine in the DBZ movies we had at the time. Nobody complained about the Japanese music then. I find it funny that it's suddenly this horrible, evil thing now.

I agree fully. I got my first glance of the Japanese music in Dead Zone, and me being young at the time didn't know the difference with the Ocean dub and the movies, but it was done for marketing purposes and to reach the young American children demographic. I guess people stick with the dub music either because of "nostalgia" purposes, it's what "they grew up with", or "It fit the dub tone, ACTION RAWR YEAH PUNCH IN FACE YARGHHH!!!!", and that's okay... but now being one of those nasty "purists", I'd wish for everything to be left intact the way it was presented... well, obviously Japanese to English is a necessity, but keep it script accurate (like Kai for the most part).

[Castor Troy]

If someone went back in time and forced FUNi to use the Japanese music at the start, 60% of the threads on this forum would be gone.

[Kunzait_83]

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[Kendamu]

If someone went back in time and forced FUNi to use the Japanese music at the start, 60% of the threads on this forum would be gone.

What I wouldn't give to live in that world.

Even if I didn't like the Japanese music, at least a part of me would have to agree. It's the real music for the show. All shows deserve to have their original artistic intent preserved when being translated. If people don't like the show for what it really is, then they obviously don't really like the show.

I can freely admit that, until recently, I wasn't a big fan of the original Z. I'm a manga fanboy. I did like the music, though.