"DragonBall Z Kai" TV Broadcast Talkback

[jjgp1112]

For example, I hope Sean can pull this off in Kai when Goku is in the healing tank thinking to himself, because in the Z dub, it was pathetic.

I don't think we have to worry about that, after all, that was his first, and very worst, material.

[MR.Mark]

All I know is, Schemmel's not a good idea. For all we know, an amazing MALE voice actor out there is perfect for Goku. But it's not Sean Schemmel. He just doesn't have a lot of personality in his Goku. Most of what makes his Goku bearable now is the script itself.

All I know is, you have yet to back up adequately why this is the case. Ironic that you bring up the script, that's part of the reason Goku is inconsistent in most English dubs, and again, is not Sean's fault. Son's hick-like nature is a big part of the character and when you take that away, the character becomes bland at times and there's only so much you can do with "a happy guy that likes to fight strong guys and eat a lot of food comically". Without a clear "character tick" there is only so much Sean can do with the direction he's given, so I can sympathize. Sabat's Vegeta and Ayres Freeza are given juicy character pathos and the kai script has been very awesome for Freeza. Maybe Sean can get a chance to show more character "meat" during Vegeta's death and the Super Saiyan stuff.

[Kaboom]

I can picture where this discussion is going to go (because it's happened a dozen times before): nowhere. So why don't we just let people believe whatever they wish to believe and they'll do the same for us?

[Mountain]

I can picture where this discussion is going to go (because it's happened a dozen times before): nowhere. So why don't we just let people believe whatever they wish to believe and they'll do the same for us?

Actually, I was quite enjoying the direction that this was going.

I agree with you, MR. Mark; the script has done wonders for Freeza. I'm not a "dubbie," so to speak, but I'm quite impressed with Chris' performance.

[MR.Mark]

I agree with you, MR. Mark; the script has done wonders for Freeza. I'm not a "dubbie," so to speak, but I'm quite impressed with Chris' performance.

Indeed, the intelligent dialogue combined with Ayres excellent acting and voice is a match made in heaven, especially when compared to other not-so-good elements in the kai dub.

[penguintruth]

All I know is, you have yet to back up adequately why this is the case. Ironic that you bring up the script, that's part of the reason Goku is inconsistent in most English dubs, and again, is not Sean's fault. Son's hick-like nature is a big part of the character and when you take that away, the character becomes bland at times and there's only so much you can do with "a happy guy that likes to fight strong guys and eat a lot of food comically". Without a clear "character tick" there is only so much Sean can do with the direction he's given, so I can sympathize. Sabat's Vegeta and Ayres Freeza are given juicy character pathos and the kai script has been very awesome for Freeza. Maybe Sean can get a chance to show more character "meat" during Vegeta's death and the Super Saiyan stuff.

I'm sorry that you feel I haven't supported my opinions clearly enough for you, but I have done my best, and cannot see how more detailed I can get. It probably comes down to a simple, fundamental difference of opinion, maybe even about what makes Son Goku a worthwhile character. There's really nowhere we can go with this argument.

All I can say is that Schemmel doesn't really sell the character that well, even with the better script. If anything, the better script proves how unnatural he is in the role. But like I said, he at least sounds a bit more natural nowadays, insofar as the voice itself, probably from experience.

[Mountain]

I've always seen Son as more of an oddball, quirky character, not entirely different from Luffy of One Piece, at least when I watch the Japanese version. He's playful, child-like, good-spirited, naive, and just plain weird. Schemmel is better than he used to be, but something is still missing. In some episodes, though, I have found that he actually nailed a few "Goku-isms". In other episodes, it just comes across as forced. I'm not sure what an English-speaking Son Goku would and/or should sound like, but I'll sure know it when and if I hear it. =)

Edit: I still haven't heard an English-speaking Vegeta that I like, either. =\

[jjgp1112]

I've never viewed Adult Goku as the weird, quirky, person that everyone here says he is. That's fueled mostly from me reading the manga. Adult Goku certainly does some weird shit that shows he's uncultured, but his oddball-nature is to a significantly smaller degree in Z than he is as a kid, and certainly different from Luffy. The only time Goku ever truly acts silly is in filler and movies, thanks to Anime Law #32167327045364843740, which states that all male characters will be 20 times dumber than they actually are in filler.

[MR.Mark]

Schemmel is better than he used to be, but something is still missing. In some episodes, though, I have found that he actually nailed a few "Goku-isms". In other episodes, it just comes across as forced.

Again, I think a big part of it is the uneven way the script handles Son Goku in English far more than Sean actual vocal type.

If anything, the better script proves how unnatural he is in the role. But like I said, he at least sounds a bit more natural nowadays, insofar as the voice itself, probably from experience.

He's natural and unnatural at the same time, quite a feat!

[Blue]

He said more natural as in still unnatural but he's getting closer.

[Kunzait_83]

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[MR.Mark]

He said more natural as in still unnatural but he's getting closer.

Just seems like hyperbole to me, he's getting better and is completely wrong for the character at the same time?

[penguintruth]

He's natural and unnatural at the same time, quite a feat!

If you read carefully, which you didn't, you'd notice that I clearly meant that he's sounding more natural for himself, but the voice is still unnatural for Goku.

It's called reading comprehension.

[MR.Mark]

Nah, I call hyperbole on you. As your opinions on Sean fluctuate and are rarely consistent.

[JulieYBM]

I...thought this path was asked to be swayed from?


Anyhow, some quick thoughts: Schemmel's got a naturally rough voice. He lacks the ability to hide it without sounding forced. I grimmace every time I hear him try to speak softly, because it sounds completely unnatural.

[penguintruth]

Nah, I call hyperbole on you. As your opinions on Sean fluctuate and are rarely consistent.

They're not entirely consistent in the past year because I've changed my opinion somewhat. But in this current round of arguing over his Goku, they've been absolutely consistent, and you've failed to prove otherwise.

[Mewzard]

I...thought this path was asked to be swayed from?


Anyhow, some quick thoughts: Schemmel's got a naturally rough voice. He lacks the ability to hide it without sounding forced. I grimmace every time I hear him try to speak softly, because it sounds completely unnatural.

I've never found his natural voice all that rough. I mean, it's not perfectly smooth, but it's not gravel either. The man does, admittedly, have somewhat of a unique sounding voice.

[JulieYBM]

I...thought this path was asked to be swayed from?


Anyhow, some quick thoughts: Schemmel's got a naturally rough voice. He lacks the ability to hide it without sounding forced. I grimmace every time I hear him try to speak softly, because it sounds completely unnatural.

I've never found his natural voice all that rough. I mean, it's not perfectly smooth, but it's not gravel either. The man does, admittedly, have somewhat of a unique sounding voice.

'Rough' is the best word I can think of to describe it. It's very...throaty? I don't find it particularly enchanting to listen to, nonetheless, so I can't say I like any of his work in general.

[jjgp1112]

I...thought this path was asked to be swayed from?


Anyhow, some quick thoughts: Schemmel's got a naturally rough voice. He lacks the ability to hide it without sounding forced. I grimmace every time I hear him try to speak softly, because it sounds completely unnatural.

I actually think that his Goku voice is really close to his natural voice. His natural voice is like Goku if he were actually normal. I remember when I watched that featurette from the first UUC volume and was like, "Woah, he really does sound like him!" His voice is obviously deeper, but I can hear that same quality in his voice in Goku' voice.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Jesus Christ, not another penguintruth-Schemmel-arguement. If I could give you some advice, Mr. Mark. Don't bother with him. Please. He's just going to go on and on about how Schemmel doesn't fit the character of Gokū, which we've all heard a gazillion times before and we're all damn sick of it. Subjective character voice arguments go nowhere, especially when people are stubborn as they are on the Daizex forums. I don't want to sound like a moderator, but I think I speak for everyone when I say "cut it out".