"DragonBall Z Kai" TV Broadcast Talkback

[linkdude20002001]

Does he still do that in the Westwood/Ocean dub? I can't find any non-fighting clips on YouTube.

[jjgp1112]

It's like how in grade school when dumbass punks would try to tell me that "if enough people say you are stupid, then it means you are!", which is a childish, inane, bullshit "argument" to make, and holds no water whatsoever other than to satiate one's own ego.

Just because more people in America like Young the most, doesn't automatically make any Young detractors "wrong", nor does it make Young's fans right. It's just a stock argument I've seen "dub fans" make many times. How about actually debating instead of simply baiting with dry arguments.

*ahem* So is the "You only like it for nostalgia" argument.

[JulieYBM]

Does he still do that in the Westwood/Ocean dub? I can't find any non-fighting clips on YouTube.

Here's 'John Wayne' Kelamis. :p God, his child Gokû voice has the same affect!! O.o

[MR.Mark]

Just because Peter Kelamis can do the same high-pitched scream that Masako Nozawa can, doesn't necessarily make him a good Gokū. A lot of fans need to understand this.

Yeah, I completely agree. Most times I see people praise his work, it's usually due to his movie 2 Kaioken scream.

Ditto, people really need to focus on the acting and stop praising voice actors doing vocal imitations.

Does he still do that in the Westwood/Ocean dub? I can't find any non-fighting clips on YouTube.

Here's 'John Wayne' Kelamis. :p God, his child Gokû voice has the same affect!! O.o

Bleh, I'll take Sean thanks, that was just all around bad. Sean can at least sound playful when he has good direction.

[JulieYBM]

The latest ANNCast had a 4Kids staffer on hand who basically confirmed that their broadcast version of Dragon Ball Kai will differ from Nicktoons'. I suspect Farmer With Shotgun will lose his shotgun. Or his scene.

[linkdude20002001]

Here's 'John Wayne' Kelamis. :p God, his child Gokû voice has the same affect!! O.o

He's still sorta "fighting" in that scene. Any clips where he's just talking to his friends in a peaceful setting?

And ROFL at 12-year-old Gokuh sounding like Rolf!

[Metalwario64]

It's like how in grade school when dumbass punks would try to tell me that "if enough people say you are stupid, then it means you are!", which is a childish, inane, bullshit "argument" to make, and holds no water whatsoever other than to satiate one's own ego.

Just because more people in America like Young the most, doesn't automatically make any Young detractors "wrong", nor does it make Young's fans right. It's just a stock argument I've seen "dub fans" make many times. How about actually debating instead of simply baiting with dry arguments.

*ahem* So is the "You only like it for nostalgia" argument.

I agree, though I wasn't trying to say that all "dub fans" use this argument, nor was I saying that "sub fans" don't use any similar arguments either. I just saw that "argument" and commented on it, especially since it strongly reminds me of ways that assholes used to try and lower my self-esteem back in grade school (and it worked back then), and now I can't help but be irked by such statements, as it seriously reeks of childish school bully trying to make himself feel better.

Seriously, neither the dub nor original are "good" due to how many people like them. Such statements reek of someone feeling insecure about their preference.

The latest ANNCast had a 4Kids staffer on hand who basically confirmed that their broadcast version of Dragon Ball Kai will differ from Nicktoons'. I suspect Farmer With Shotgun will lose his shotgun. Or his scene.

...So then why the hell is NickToons' version so heavily censored, even to the point of censoring things that other shows on the network can get away with? I wonder if 4Kids' version is going to even rake in sales if its censoring/alteration is on par with their shows...

[penguintruth]

Does he still do that in the Westwood/Ocean dub? I can't find any non-fighting clips on YouTube.

Here's 'John Wayne' Kelamis. :p God, his child Gokû voice has the same affect!! O.o

What bothers me is Terry Klassen's Roshi. At least Corlett and Kelamis tried to make theirs not sound like their other characters. But I thought Kelamis' powering up as Goku was pretty good.

[MR.Mark]

I thought Kelamis' powering up as Goku was pretty good.

Compared to the recent clip of episode 33 of Goku powering up? Not even close.

http://nicktoons.nick.com/videos/clip/d ... lip-1.html

[batistabus]

I feel like everyone was at their best in those clips. It gets me excited for tonight's episode.

[Metalwario64]

I thought Kelamis' powering up as Goku was pretty good.

Compared to the recent clip of episode 33 of Goku powering up? Not even close.

http://nicktoons.nick.com/videos/clip/d ... lip-1.html

I'm loving how his powering up (and fighting) yells have been much closer to Nozawa in Kai's dub. Yeah, I know he doesn't sound the same vocally, but he gets the tone and everything down great, which I'm sure is do in part to the new directing. I think it sounds like how Nozawa's yells would if she was a male.

Kelamis could get the voice down during the screams, but the screams themselves were somewhat over the top compared to Nozawa, and ended up sounding a bit phony. On the other end of the spectrum, Corlett sounded too stiff in his yells and delivery, and just ended up sounding quite flat.

[penguintruth]

I thought Kelamis' powering up as Goku was pretty good.

Compared to the recent clip of episode 33 of Goku powering up? Not even close.

http://nicktoons.nick.com/videos/clip/d ... lip-1.html

You're right, it isn't close. Kelamis is far better. Schemmel sounds like "generic hero guy getting angry". Kelamis sounds like "Goku getting angry".

[MR.Mark]

I thought Kelamis' powering up as Goku was pretty good.

Compared to the recent clip of episode 33 of Goku powering up? Not even close.

http://nicktoons.nick.com/videos/clip/d ... lip-1.html

You're right, it isn't close. Kelamis is far better. Schemmel sounds like "generic hero guy getting angry". Kelamis sounds like "Goku getting angry".

penguintruth stock answer# 103.

Generic hero guy getting angry ,all from some yelling you get that?

Sean: errrrrraaaaaaaaaaaah! Wrong, wrong ,wrong! Generic hero guy getting angry!

Peter: erughhhahhhhhhhhhh! Goku getting angry yay!

Geez man, got a hard on for Schemmel don't ya?

Kelamis could get the voice down during the screams, but the screams themselves were somewhat over the top compared to Nozawa, and ended up sounding a bit phony. On the other end of the spectrum, Corlett sounded too stiff in his yells and delivery, and just ended up sounding quite flat.

Fully agreed, close to sounding like Nozawa means nothing if it just comes off as a imitation rather than genuine acting. Marrow may have been my least favorite sounding Goku overall, but Kelamis was easily the worst adult Goku actor of them all, with the exception of Sean in season 3.

[penguintruth]

So when you say one of the clips of Goku screaming is better than the other, it's fine, but when I do it, it's wrong? That's fucking hypocritical.

Kelamis was the best of the professional English Gokus because he captures the essence of Goku better than Corlett or Schemmel. I can't explain it any way for you to agree because your opinion is fundamentally different.

[MR.Mark]

So when you say one of the clips of Goku screaming is better than the other, it's fine, but when I do it, it's wrong?

No, just horrifyingly repetitive.

Kelamis was the best of the professional English Gokus because he captures the essence of Goku better than Corlett or Schemmel.

By essence you mean moments, because most of the time what I heard was terribly stiff, unnatural acting with a horrible accent.

[penguintruth]

So when you say one of the clips of Goku screaming is better than the other, it's fine, but when I do it, it's wrong?

No, just horrifyingly repetitive.

Because your opinions are so fucking original, right?

[B]

So when you say one of the clips of Goku screaming is better than the other, it's fine, but when I do it, it's wrong?

No, just horrifyingly repetitive.

Oh, come on. You "challenged" him with that clip. You couldn't just let him have his opinion and leave it at that? Not to mention, he was making no comparisons. He just claimed, in that one clip, Kelamis sounded alright.

It's one thing to disagree with him, but you're purposely egging him on at this point with the Goku thing. =/

[MR.Mark]

So when you say one of the clips of Goku screaming is better than the other, it's fine, but when I do it, it's wrong?

No, just horrifyingly repetitive.

Because your opinions are so fucking original, right?

Well, they vary in content and at the very least don't bash a certain actor at every possible moment.

It's one thing to disagree with him, but you're purposely egging him on at this point with the Goku thing. =/

You're right, it isn't close. Kelamis is far better.

Who's egging who on? The guy can't even admit Sean may be better than one scene in a piss poor rushed dub? Eh, I won't stir the pot any further but to me his bias gets a little ridiculous.

[RazorX]

Not really. He still had the same annoying, overly-bubbly voice in those episodes.

No he didn't. Kelamis had slight cheese when he first started the role but as the Saban dub progressed, the cheese faded away. In the Android episodes onwards, it was completely gone. Kelamis' speaking voice was a bit deeper in the Westwood/Ocean dub and his yells & battle cries were improved compared to his previous work.

As an example, listen to Kelamis' talking to Roshi & Chichi after he recovers from the heart virus, in particular the line "There's a level beyond that of a Super Saiyan....and I will rise to claim it."

I got a bit annoyed when Kelamis took over from Corlett because I really liked Corlett's Goku, but Kelamis got very good rather quickly. I got even more annoyed when Schemmel took over. Compare Kelamis' lines on Namek "I know the odds are stacked against me but if there's a way to win, I'm gonna find it" "Sorry, but you left an opening which seemed to scream out attack. So, I did. Ha" He blew away Schemmel even in Kai, and that was Kelamis' speaking voice.

Oh believe me, I don't. But at least when Masako Nozawa speaks normally as Gokū, it doesn't make me want to rip my ears out.

That would be a matter of taste then. Kelamis' speaking voice is light hearted, the way Goku's character is.

Just because Peter Kelamis can do the same high-pitched scream that Masako Nozawa can, doesn't necessarily make him a good Gokū. A lot of fans need to understand this.

Then why is Schemmel getting praised for getting closer to Nozawa's style in Kai?

I like Kelamis because he can really portray the light hearted side of Goku and his voice is decent, not just because he can scream well.

Kelamis can also sound firm & serious when needed, as seen in his transformation to SSJ against #19 and Dr Gero.

My mistake. They both really suck at playing Gokū, but Peter Kelamis just sucks that tad more than Kirby Morrow.

Ian Corlett is the best English Goku but Peter Kelamis and Kirby Morrow are really close. Kirby's SSJ3 voice in particular is awesome.

Does he still do that in the Westwood/Ocean dub? I can't find any non-fighting clips on YouTube.

He can still sound light hearted when needed but his speaking voice is a tad deeper compared to what he did before, and I think it works better. Plus, his battle cries/screams are even closer to Nozawa in the Android/Cell episodes, so I'd say Kelamis actually improved in the Westwood/Ocean dub.

Ditto, people really need to focus on the acting and stop praising voice actors doing vocal imitations.

Except that Kelamis is getting praised for his acting ability. His successful imitations of Nozawa's battle cries/screams is a nice bonus.

What bothers me is Terry Klassen's Roshi. At least Corlett and Kelamis tried to make theirs not sound like their other characters. But I thought Kelamis' powering up as Goku was pretty good.

Klassan's Roshi sounds nothing like his Krillin or Babidi. I believe it was Don Brown who voiced Roshi in the movies.

Compared to the recent clip of episode 33 of Goku powering up? Not even close.

No it wasn't. Kelamis did a better job.

You're right, it isn't close. Kelamis is far better. Schemmel sounds like "generic hero guy getting angry". Kelamis sounds like "Goku getting angry".

Agreed. Kelamis' voice has character as well as emotion range.

Peter: erughhhahhhhhhhhhh! Goku getting angry yay!

Peter's voice is lighter than Sean's and it has more of the Goku qualities, that is why when Peter yells for Goku's angry scenes, it is like Goku is getting angry. Peter doesn't sound generic.

[penguintruth]

Klassan's Roshi sounds nothing like his Krillin or Babidi. I believe it was Don Brown who voiced Roshi in the movies.

Maybe I'm just bothered by it blatently being Klassen, where with Corlett and Kelamis you could at least convince yourself it was somebody else. I'm not a huge fan of any of the dub Roshis, to be honest, but at least Funimation got somebody completely different to be their Roshi at some point.

By the way, that scene where Goku has recovered? I've seen the Westwood version of that, and Kelamis is damn good in that. Even Chi-Chi's VA was pretty good there.