"DragonBall Z Kai" TV Broadcast Talkback

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Post by NeoKING » Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:40 pm

Three words: G I N Y U - F O R C E - K A I .

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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:49 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Okay, now I want to watch this episode after reading what you guys have to say, but...I'm probably going to be setting myself up for disappointment :?

Am I the only person who doesn't think that the new Freeza is the second coming of Jesus?
Pretty much. You have to wonder, is everybody else insane, or are you? :D
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Post by Blue » Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:51 pm

jjgp1112 wrote: Am I the only person who doesn't think that the new Freeza is the second coming of Jesus?
Nope, pretty sure there are many other Funi dub fans who feel the same way.
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Post by MR.Mark » Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:55 pm

Holy shit, solid episode across the board! I've said it before and I'll say it again, Ayres IS Freeza. With so many other characters, I say if only they'd tone down this or that, not with Ayres. I continue to have absolutely no beefs with him, what a condescending elitist prick his Freeza is. How amazing is it to watch my favorite villain, but in English, done flawlessly?

The writers are once again to be commended for the perfectly adapted dialogue for Freeza, but of course without Ayres to sell it ,it could of fallen completely flat with an inappropriate voice.

I enjoyed Sean's noble warrior Nail getting his ass kicked, and damn, is Monica ever cute when Bulma is terrified. :mrgreen:

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Post by penguintruth » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:00 pm

MR.Mark wrote:is Monica ever cute when Bulma is terrified.
My favorite part is her rambling when she's throwing dirt at what turns out to be Kuririn.
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Post by jjgp1112 » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:06 pm

Okay, in this scene where Frie­za shows up at Grand Elder's Place, he sounds like Linda Young without the obvious feminine quality.
Yamcha: Do you remember the spell to release him - do you know all the words?
Bulma: Of course! I'm not gonna pull a Frieza and screw it up!
Master Roshi: Bulma, I think Frieza failed because he wore too many clothes!
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Post by MR.Mark » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:06 pm

penguintruth wrote:
MR.Mark wrote:is Monica ever cute when Bulma is terrified.
My favorite part is her rambling when she's throwing dirt at what turns out to be Kuririn.
Indeed, everyone was pretty damn solid in this episode.

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Post by RazorX » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:12 pm

Christopher Ayres has officially surpassed Linda Chambers-Young at first form Freeza, well at least her season 3 first form Freeza. Just 2 months ago I never thought I'd utter those words, damn what a lucky break FUNimation had to have found someone like Chris Ayres to voice Freeza.

However, Linda's best work came after Freeza transformed, especially his final form. At this point I'm not convinced that Chris will be better, I hope he is but I'd be satisfied if he's at least as good as Linda, in his own way.

I still can't decide if Chris Ayres' Freeza is better than Pauline Newstone's Freeza.

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Post by MR.Mark » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:13 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Okay, in this scene where Frie­za shows up at Grand Elder's Place, he sounds like Linda Young without the obvious feminine quality.
WTF are you smoking man?!

and can I have some? Seriously though you sound like RazorX
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Post by RazorX » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:15 pm

I'd say he sounds like Pauline Newstone.

Chris Ayres' Freeza could give us a good idea of how Pauline Newstone would've handled Freeza's transformations. Both voices have been strikingly similar since episode 19.

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Post by MR.Mark » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:19 pm

I'd say he sounds like the character Freeza, but in English.

With the exception of his first freaken line when Freeza was introduced. Ayres's Freeza sounds absolutely nothing in voice, and certainly in delivery, than past "Freezas".

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Post by JulieYBM » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:20 pm

There is a lot less "I'm playing a generic lizzardly alien" with Ayres these days.

As for Nail...my oh my, they should have recasted.
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Post by jjgp1112 » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:23 pm

It seems like for Bulma, they replaced Tiffany Vollmer's shrillness for Monica Rial's raspyness when screaming. Eww. Note: I said screaming, not yelling.
Yamcha: Do you remember the spell to release him - do you know all the words?
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Post by MR.Mark » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:25 pm

JulieYBM wrote: As for Nail...my oh my, they should have recasted.
Sean has only a few more chances now that Nail's arc of "meat shield" has almost evolved to "excuse for a power up" The legacy of Nail most be preserved!
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Post by jjgp1112 » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:26 pm

On another note, HOLY SHIT @ The next episode preview. Fucking brillaint :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yamcha: Do you remember the spell to release him - do you know all the words?
Bulma: Of course! I'm not gonna pull a Frieza and screw it up!
Master Roshi: Bulma, I think Frieza failed because he wore too many clothes!
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Post by RazorX » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:28 pm

MR.Mark wrote:I'd say he sounds like the character Freeza, but in English.

With the exception of his first freaken line when Freeza was introduced. Ayres's Freeza sounds absolutely nothing in voice, and certainly in delivery, than past "Freezas".
The pitch and tone of the Ayres' voice is still as close to Newstone as it was when Freeza was first introduced. However this should be no surprise because both voices are androgynous therefore it's natural they sound similar.

Ayres brings in Nakao's qualities in combination with the above mentioned pitch, and the result is good. That is why I said Ayres has surpassed Linda's season 3 First form Freeza. I haven't heard much of Linda's 2005 redub of the first form. I might watch it to see the improvements over her season 3 voice.

As I mentioned before, Linda's best work came after Freeza transformed, in particular his final form. It won't be easy for Ayres to beat or even match it, but he's significantly exceeded my expectations so I'm feeling a bit more optimistic about him being able to deliver a solid performance in the post transformation stages compared to before I heard him.
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Post by jjgp1112 » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:30 pm

MR.Mark wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:Okay, in this scene where Frie­za shows up at Grand Elder's Place, he sounds like Linda Young without the obvious feminine quality.
WTF are you smoking man?!

and can I have some? Seriously though you sound like RazorX
Note how I said without the obvious feminine quality. Basically Linda Young if she were actually a guy.
Yamcha: Do you remember the spell to release him - do you know all the words?
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Master Roshi: Bulma, I think Frieza failed because he wore too many clothes!
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Post by MR.Mark » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:33 pm

RazorX wrote: The pitch and tone of the Ayres' voice is still as close to Newstone as it was when Freeza was first introduced. However this should be no surprise because both voices are androgynous therefore it's natural they sound similar.
Wrong, Ayres's sounds androgynous at times, yes, but I always knew Newstone was female with her Freeza voice.
jjgp1112 wrote: Basically Linda Young if she were actually a guy.
No, not at all actually, in voice and delivery, and overall acting ability.
jjgp1112 wrote:It seems like for Bulma, they replaced Tiffany Vollmer's shrillness for Monica Rial's raspyness when screaming.
They did more than that, they replaced one VA with a MUCH more talented one.
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Post by RazorX » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:38 pm

The next episode preview deserves a special mention, it was good. I think this might be the first time the characters addressed us, the audience, as opposed to chatting amongst themselves over scenes which usually have nothing to do with what is being said. FUNimation needs to do more previews where the characters or the narrator addresses the audience, like most of the recaps.
MR.Mark wrote:Wrong, Ayres's sounds androgynous at times, yes, but I always knew Newstone was female with her Freeza voice.
I haven't heard any females which sound like Newstone's Freeza. Newstone and Ayres both sound androgynous. It's one reason why both voices fit the character.

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Post by MR.Mark » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:40 pm

RazorX wrote:
I haven't heard any females which sound like Newstone's Freeza.
But enough of her, er, "femininity" still came out that I wasn't fooled by what sex was doing the voice.

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