The Worst Looking Episode in the Entire Series?

[LeprikanGT]

Finally someone put that together, I mentioned it like a month ago on here and no one seemed to know what I was talking about

[jjgp1112]

Y'know, watching the early episodes of DB, it's kind of funny how even then, the triangle crap style stood out like a sore thumb.

[LeprikanGT]

Can someone show me an example of these 'triangle' scenes?

I know theres something like like that during the Trunks killing Frieza episodes but I'm not sure I fully understand.

[MR.Mark]

Y'know, watching the early episodes of DB, it's kind of funny how even then, the triangle crap style stood out like a sore thumb.

I whipped up a official logo In honor of the much hated art style:

[TonyTheTiger]

And I just want to let you know that if it weren't for your avatar I'd have never discovered Dragon Half, the manga or the sadly incomplete OVA. Thank you. Thank you 1,000 times.

Hm... How'd you know it was called Dragon Half just by looking at my avatar?

Funny story, I actually discovered Dragon Half around 2005 by seeing someone else's avatar on another forum, looking at the file name and doing a Google search. Glad I was able to pass that experience onto you I suppose.

I didn't know. I actually showed it to a friend of mine who had to burrow deep into his brain to pull out the title. I have this thing for cartoon redheads probably stemming from The Little Mermaid. It's something I've made peace with.

[Metalwario64]

I have this thing for cartoon redheads probably stemming from The Little Mermaid. It's something I've made peace with.

So then, have you seen Slayers? The anime was based on a novel series (which had the first story arc translated by Tokyopop), which I think was better than the anime. The manga was mediocre I feel however.

Y'know, watching the early episodes of DB, it's kind of funny how even then, the triangle crap style stood out like a sore thumb.

Hm... I thought it looked a little more at home in the earlier cartoony episodes of Dragon Ball. Then it started progressively getting worse until the Cell arc where it started improving again.

*snipped triangle*

Needs more Triforce mah boy!

[jjgp1112]

Well, in the early episodes, it wasn't really triangular yet, but the characters were still disproportionately drawn and you can tell it was the same guys.

[omegacwa]

Stop the video at 1 second and look at Goku's face.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-eOazHvqXc

I'm about to break stuff.

That mischievous Goku...

I know we are not discussing "in between frame animation" but this made me laugh, hilariously terrible!

[Thanos]

I always think of the Buu era episodes where Gotenks and Buu are fighting. Gotenks' hair just looks like random jagged lines.

And it's funny because the previous episode preview before the episode starts makes the animation difference seem way obvious, like from...




to


ogod no!!!1

[MajinGohanZ]

Hopefully they redraw some of these worst looking episodes?

[Metalwario64]

In Kai? They will, but they will be simple tracings. Sometimes they correct poor drawings, but only if they're extremely off model like Goku's mouth before he headed off to fight against Fri­eza after healing.

[Goku100xKamehameha]

I think almost every important episodes are well animated and they look amazing on Kai and the Season Sets because they don't have grains!

[ShadowDude112]

and they look amazing on Kai and the Season Sets because they don't have grains!

Successful troll is successful.

OT:I think episodes look bad and I am aware but I still watch it but it really depends on who animated it.

[Metalwario64]

I think almost every important episodes are well animated and they look amazing on Kai and the Season Sets because they don't have grains!

It's that kind of mindset that has ruined many DVD and Blu-Ray releases, even outside of Dragon Ball Z, with needless, destructive DVNR which makes film look incredibly artificial. It doesn't make things smooth, it makes them blurry (unless it's done very lightly, which even then it's still a downgrade, and you can still see the blurred grain in the background, which just looks unnatural), and it damages line art if done to the point of completely removing grain.

On live action films, it makes people's skin look overly, unnaturally smooth, and it takes out any tiny details that would be there otherwise, just for the sake of having a "perfect, new looking smooth picture". The point of remastering isn't to make things look like they were made today, they were made to restore film to their purest, original forms, which includes grain, especially on smaller film stock such as 16mm film that Dragon Ball is on. Grain is part of the picture, in fact, in a way, grain is the picture, as film is made up of those tiny particles which is, in fact, grain. Removing that is only destructive, even if you do it in small amounts like Kai and the Dragon Ball season sets. They look okay, but the Dragon Boxes still look much sharper and more detailed.

You can even find articles on the internet, and videos on YouTube speaking out against, and explaining the destructive nature of DVNR, or commonly also referred to as simply "DNR". Believe it or not, Dragon Ball Z is not the first and only show to undergo such a travesty of a treatment for DVD and even Blu-Ray releases. People in such fandoms are just as angry about their releases as we were with the Z orange bricks. It's even sadder that some of those fandoms may never get a properly remastered, or even presented release for a long time, if ever.

[Attitudefan]

Too bad this has strayed off topic, but I want to put my two bits in to this

This episode is horrible. I compared it to the episode before, here is the difference.
It also stands out because of the nice looking episodes before it.



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[Metalwario64]

Huge image is huge. You should make them separate images so you won't stretch the thread.

Also, I don't think that episode looks so bad. I really still think that the triangle art was actually pretty decent in the Buu arc, whereas the alternate, better style within those episodes still looked great, but actually started straying off from the manga's art style, whereas before it was one of the most portrayals of Toriyama's style.

Definitely still much better than Last House's style at the end (which looked like it was done by grade school students), which makes me wish they had hired Studio Live in GT instead of Last House...

[Perfect]

Episode 231 or 232 (I don't remember which, it was the final episode of the Son Vs. Majin Vegeta fight where Vegeta knocks Son out)

The episode was just horridly animated. The characters were horribly off-model, you can especially tell in their hair. It was just abysmal.

I just watched the episode 231 and 232. The animation is great. You must mean 233. The animation is still pretty good but the character models are off a bit, but not by all that much. Even in that episode, Buu, Dabura, Babidi and Kaioshin seem to look alright.
Edit:
http://imageftw.com/uploads/20100815/ep.png

[bkev]

Some people just don't like grain, and I don't see why that's such an issue.They're not ruining movies, the companies are.

[Attitudefan]

Sorry about the huge image.

To me the drawings just stand out, it isn't the worst but out of the Kid buu fight it just stands out for me.
It isn't the worst looking episode, it just had to be pointed out. The other episodes before and after look amazing though.
The buu saga over all had decent animation, I felt GT, even though it is newer, It had pretty poorly animated episodes.


That episode looked choppy, certainly for the time it was made. The drawings also seemed off. His chin is huge!
Also, with the later animated episodes their chins become so big, and their muscles just seem too exagerated. (I know that is a little off topic but I just had to put it out there)

[Attitudefan]

I don't know if you know about DB but something really bugged me here. The episode before had smooth animation and great art. It had great action too. But the episode after had little animation, mostly repeated frames that dragged on forever. The character models also were not the greatest, but it was typical dragon ball style.
Later though in the piccolo jr saga they went to the better animation studio, you can really tell the quality improved.




That was the episode before
and here is the episode after:


Sorry for the HUGE images again