"DragonBall Z Kai" TV Broadcast Talkback

[MR.Mark]

So we should just sit back and shut up when he moans on and on about how shitty he thinks the recasts are? He acts like we insult his mother when we criticize the DBZ dub, it's fucking ridiculous. If it's OK for him to not give a shit about the integrity of Dragon Ball, than it should be OK for others to give a shit. It takes two to tango...or somthin like dat.

[Cowboy Dev]

Hold on, hold on, I'm not trying to tell anyone what they can and can't like. I'm just stating my opnion about my surprise that people like the FUNi dub more than just nostalgia. That's it. Just me speaking my personal thoughts that differs from some.

[penguintruth]

Guys, we're all uncivil douchebags, to some degree. We should just accept it and get back to being douchebags. All this lampshading is a waste of energy we could be using being total assholes about our favorite or least favorite voices.

[SaiyamanMS]

As a fan who grew up with the dub (I wouldn't really classify myself as either a "dub fan" or a "sub fan" as I quite enjoy both versions), I honestly prefer the new versions of Gohan, Bulma and Freeza to the old ones.

With Stephanie Nadolny, she's a fine actress and she totally is young Son Goku in English to me. Young Gohan however, she's fine during the Cell arc, but go earlier than that and Gohan simply doesn't sound believable for his age, while Colleen Clinkenbeard manages to pull it off.

Linda Young did an admirable job of playing the role of Freeza, despite being horribly miscast to begin with. She managed to be a decent Freeza, although unfortunately there was no chance of her ever being a great Freeza. I'm not quite as impressed with Ayres as a good number of others here are, although he simply has a lot more natural Freeza-ish-ness than Ms. Young ever did.

As for Tiffany Vollmer as Bulma... Honestly, people are calling Monica Rial's version grating? While I kind of just accepted the fact that "That's what Bulma's English voice is", I always found Tiffany Vollmer's rendition of the character at least somewhat grating. Monica Rial however, is hitting exactly all the right notes for me. Much, much better than Vollmer ever was.

[Rory]

Uh...maybe because not everybody thinks that they're awful...?

Seriously, your opinion isn't the only "correct" one out there, despite what you'd apparently like to think. You can come up with all of the BS rationalizations/generalizations of disagreements that you want, but they all make you look silly in the end.

You see, I keep reading all these rational arguments, nicely saying everybody has an opinion, and you should be respectful etc.
Yet you'll never hesitate to slam the new Kai casts, calling the new voice actors "shitty" in comparison(not once using the words "my opinion" while doing so.)
Then you argue the toss when somebody questions you, until you've clearly lost, in which you say something along the lines of "Hey man, that's my opinion, I don't give a fuck about the original Japanese cast."
Broken record man, seriously.

[jjgp1112]

I've never made up people's reasonings for liking the Kai voice actors. I've never said that people who disagree with me or fine. If you like the Kai cast fine, as long as you don't make asinine bs up about people from the other side when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

And not only that, but almost I always say, "I think" or "I believe" or at least try to make some sort of indication that I'm only speaking for myself to show that I'm just showing my own opinion instead of trying to state a fact. And if I forgot to to in a post then, well...I suck.

[Super Sonic]

The thing about how some guys dislike new actors often comes from stubborness from being different than what someone first watched. For example, knowfew of you guys might be a little young for this, but in the mid-late 80s there was a newer dub of Gatchaman called G-Force that was truer to the original Gatchaman than Battle of the Planets was that had more violence, the little guy talking normally, and didn't have that stupid robot as a censor. Battle of the Planets fans hate G-Force with a passion and will always say how it was inferior though the main inferiority came from the characters having stupid names compared to their normal sounding names that BOTP had.

[jjgp1112]

Alright, out of curiosity and (mostly) boredom, I compared Kai episode 35 to the Remastered/Dragon Box version of Z episodes 74 & 75. I think that in Z, Sabat was a little bit too gravelly sounding but otherwise good, while in Kai he's just really smooth sounding and better imo. Krillin is equally good in both versions, as well as Dende, Grand Elder, and others. Now, as a result of giving more of a shit while watching Kai than I have in 2 months, I've decided that Gohan sounds good in both versions, but in different ways imo. If you like Gohan voice that works with the fact that he's 5 years old, than Clinkenbeard's for you. If you like a voice that fits a little bit more with how mature Gohan was at the time, then Nadolny's voice is for you. Of course, that's a black & white oversimplification, but you get the idea: it's all preference, imo. With Frieza, it once again boils down to what you prefer.

And I'm not even gonna bother with Schemmel's roles since he didn't redub them for the Season sets.

[Mewzard]

Alright, out of curiosity and (mostly) boredom, I compared Kai episode 35 to the Remastered/Dragon Box version of Z episodes 74 & 75. I think that in Z, Sabat was a little bit too gravelly sounding but otherwise good, while in Kai he's just really smooth sounding and better imo. Krillin is equally good in both versions, as well as Dende, Grand Elder, and others. Now, as a result of giving more of a shit while watching Kai than I have in 2 months, I've decided that Gohan sounds good in both versions, but in different ways imo. If you like Gohan voice that works with the fact that he's 5 years old, than Clinkenbeard's for you. If you like a voice that fits a little bit more with how mature Gohan was at the time, then Nadolny's voice is for you. Of course, that's a black & white oversimplification, but you get the idea: it's all preference, imo. With Freeza, it once again boils down to what you prefer.

And I'm not even gonna bother with Schemmel's roles since he didn't redub them for the Season sets.

Schemmel did redub, but only the episodes that were done by Ocean, not the redub of Season Three.

And I hope they really aren't going on break now, I was looking forward to the Freeza fight...

(Also, off topic, but I turned 22 today, hurrah!)

[jjgp1112]

Alright, out of curiosity and (mostly) boredom, I compared Kai episode 35 to the Remastered/Dragon Box version of Z episodes 74 & 75. I think that in Z, Sabat was a little bit too gravelly sounding but otherwise good, while in Kai he's just really smooth sounding and better imo. Krillin is equally good in both versions, as well as Dende, Grand Elder, and others. Now, as a result of giving more of a shit while watching Kai than I have in 2 months, I've decided that Gohan sounds good in both versions, but in different ways imo. If you like Gohan voice that works with the fact that he's 5 years old, than Clinkenbeard's for you. If you like a voice that fits a little bit more with how mature Gohan was at the time, then Nadolny's voice is for you. Of course, that's a black & white oversimplification, but you get the idea: it's all preference, imo. With Freeza, it once again boils down to what you prefer.

And I'm not even gonna bother with Schemmel's roles since he didn't redub them for the Season sets.

Schemmel did redub, but only the episodes that were done by Ocean, not the redub of Season Three.

And I hope they really aren't going on break now, I was looking forward to the Freeza fight...

(Also, off topic, but I turned 22 today, hurrah!)

Seasons 1 & 2 on the remastered sets aren't "redubs." I'm specifically talking about Season 3 here.

[batistabus]

Schemmel did redub, but only the episodes that were done by Ocean, not the redub of Season Three.

And I hope they really aren't going on break now, I was looking forward to the Freeza fight...

(Also, off topic, but I turned 22 today, hurrah!)

I remember watching an interview or a panel or something, and Schemmel said that he actually had to act more poorly than he would have to match his old/everyone else's performance xD.

And happy birthday!

[jjgp1112]

Schemmel did redub, but only the episodes that were done by Ocean, not the redub of Season Three.

And I hope they really aren't going on break now, I was looking forward to the Freeza fight...

(Also, off topic, but I turned 22 today, hurrah!)

I remember watching an interview or a panel or something, and Schemmel said that he actually had to act more poorly than he would have to match his old/everyone else's performance xD.

And happy birthday!

Uh...what? Schemmel didn't even touch his Season 3 stuff. Or are you joking?

[batistabus]

Schemmel did redub, but only the episodes that were done by Ocean, not the redub of Season Three.

And I hope they really aren't going on break now, I was looking forward to the Freeza fight...

(Also, off topic, but I turned 22 today, hurrah!)

I remember watching an interview or a panel or something, and Schemmel said that he actually had to act more poorly than he would have to match his old/everyone else's performance xD.

And happy birthday!

Uh...what? Schemmel didn't even touch his Season 3 stuff. Or are you joking?

No, I'm talking about the Raditz stuff all the way up to Season 3 because they had yet to dub those episodes.

[jjgp1112]

Well, I don't see why Schemmel would say that, because his performance in those episodes were leagues better than Season 3.

[batistabus]

Well, I don't see why Schemmel would say that, because his performance in those episodes were leagues better than Season 3.

Well he didn't want to be terrible, but he didn't want the quality to be so vastly different it would throw people off entirely.

[Rory]

Sean Schemmel not being re-dubbed just blows my mind.
I'm aware of the circumstances, and why he couldn't do it... but still. Sean needed a re-dub the most.

Oh, and thanks Super Sonic, I think I finally get where Gotcha Force got it's name from (G-Force + Gatchaman).

[jjgp1112]

Well, the only reason why Chris Sabat, Linda Young, and Stephanie Nadolny redid there performances was so the voices could be more consistent. Vegeta got a lot more deeper, Frieza got less frail sounding, and Gohan wasn't as raspy anymore. Sure, Schemmel's performance was vastly better later on, but his voice was always the same.

[MR.Mark]

Well, I don't see why Schemmel would say that, because his performance in those episodes were leagues better than Season 3.

Well he didn't want to be terrible, but he didn't want the quality to be so vastly different it would throw people off entirely.

That would explain why the redub was a waste of time and still had poor acting, and why Kai is such a vast improvement over everything that came before.

[jjgp1112]

Well, I don't see why Schemmel would say that, because his performance in those episodes were leagues better than Season 3.

Well he didn't want to be terrible, but he didn't want the quality to be so vastly different it would throw people off entirely.

That's the thing - it DID throw numerous people off. On this board and other boards back when Season 2 came out, people were complaining about how it suddenly went from a good sounding Goku to the old crappy 1999 Goku. So, in trying to sound like shit, I guess Schemmel failed

[MR.Mark]

My ears heard otherwise, it wasn't season 3 bad, but a turd with a few sprinkles on top is still a turd.