Just for laughs...

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:27 pm

With the case of music in anime it can depend on who watches it. I know that a lot of "Battle of the Planets" fans didn't like how "G-Force" didn't use BOTP's original music and used the original "Gatchaman" music

MyVisionity · Post by **MyVisionity** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:42 pm

tarsonis wrote:I think the main problem for those of us who simply prefer the original BGM, is not necessarily because the replacement music isn't good, but because we know changing the music in a tv series or movie is a bad, bad idea. The original music was there for a reason, because the director felt that those particular cues fit the scene and added atmosphere. Replacing the music changes much more than you'd think.

That's exactly why I think Faulconer's music works so well. His pieces offer a new perspective on the original show, and allows fans to enjoy the story in a new light. I think it's nice to be able to watch those scenes from another director's viewpoint.

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:56 pm

Rocketman wrote:It's odd, really. I actually prefer softer kinds of music for normal listening, but when it comes to DBZ, if it's not rock or simular, it just doesn't feel complete to me.

Um, about 95% of the dub's music actually is softer than the Japanese BGM. In fact, I don't recall very much rock in the dub at all! (aside from the movies)

If you watch several dubbed episodes in a row, you'll hear that the majority of the episode is just droning background music, which breaks into faster background music when something happens, then slows down again when the action stops. A lot of the time you'll also notice that they're just looping 5 seconds of music over and over and over again. If you could somehow mute the dialogue and simply listen to the 22 minutes of the dub's BGM, you'd likely die of boredom.

The Japanese score, on the other hand, punctuates the scenes, rather than just speeding up and slowing down with the on-screen action. To me, it seems like the Japanese BGM understands the story, while the dub's BGM is only watching the images fly by. You know what I'm saying?

MyVisionity wrote:His pieces offer a new perspective on the original show, and allows fans to enjoy the story in a new light.

A new light targeted at ages 4-12. Honestly, this is the reason why Faulconer was hired, not because he's some kind of visionary who will move DBZ into the next millenium. The dub score obviously caters to a young audience, while the Japanese BGM respects the series and it's viewers, be they young or old. Seriously, I don't need a special music cue to tell me that a joke is funny...

kenisu3000 · Post by **kenisu3000** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:13 am

Aurek wrote:Heh, am I the only one who likes Faulconer's music? I mean 90% of the time it completly detracts from the experience and emotion (seeing as thats want they wanted it to do most of the time) but its a laugh if you know what I mean.

Hey, I've spent money on Faulconer's CDs. That ought to count for something.

kenisu3000 · Post by **kenisu3000** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:14 am

Aurek wrote:Heh, am I the only one who likes Faulconer's music? I mean 90% of the time it completly detracts from the experience and emotion (seeing as thats want they wanted it to do most of the time) but its a laugh if you know what I mean.

I really do enjoy Faulconer's score (though, of course, I go for the Japanese score when I can). Think of it this way: if DBZ was an American-made cartoon, and that it only had one BGM track made for it (Faulconer's), then it would be one of the best-scored American cartoons out there. It's only because we have the super-fantastic Japanese music to compare it to that makes it so controversial.

MyVisionity · Post by **MyVisionity** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:34 am

DBW wrote: A new light targeted at ages 4-12. Honestly, this is the reason why Faulconer was hired, not because he's some kind of visionary who will move DBZ into the next millenium. The dub score obviously caters to a young audience, while the Japanese BGM respects the series and it's viewers, be they young or old. Seriously, I don't need a special music cue to tell me that a joke is funny...

Faulconer's score has just as much respect for the material as the original. His music, especially during the Freeza saga through Cell, is really inspiring, and takes you places. I was constantly thinking throughout Freeza and Goku's battle on Namek that this tale was legendary, and that the characters and their actions really mean something. Not to mention all of the stuff afterwards with the gang back on Earth, that just made you believe these people cared about each other, and that they were home. Seriously, Bruce Faulconer is quite talented, and fans should appreciate a different take on the series.

Kodoshin · Post by **Kodoshin** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:59 am

The only place Faulconers score ever managed to take me was to another channel.

Honestly his music reminds me of something out of a poorly made Sega Genesis game.

Aurek · Post by **Aurek** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:27 am

Faulconer's score has just as much respect for the material as the original. His music, especially during the Freeza saga through Cell, is really inspiring, and takes you places. I was constantly thinking throughout Freeza and Goku's battle on Namek that this tale was legendary, and that the characters and their actions really mean something. Not to mention all of the stuff afterwards with the gang back on Earth, that just made you believe these people cared about each other, and that they were home. Seriously, Bruce Faulconer is quite talented, and fans should appreciate a different take on the series.

I disagree, I just have a soft spot for crappy, catchy electronic music that sounds like I could make it at home. However we know he can do scenes justice, Vegeta's final flash against perfect Cell in the Dub was excellent for example. If you read some of the interviews on the net with Faulconer and people from Funi you will see that he (Faulconer) really got into it sometimes but Funi got him to tone down his score to make the scene less emotional. Brcause they are marketing the show to a young audience. I wonder what the result would have been if he had been allowed to do what he wanted...?

ThunderPX · Post by **ThunderPX** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:41 am

Kodoshin wrote:Honestly his music reminds me of something out of a poorly made Sega Genesis game.

And what, sir, do you have against the Sega Genesis?

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:51 am

MyVisionity wrote:
DBW wrote: A new light targeted at ages 4-12. Honestly, this is the reason why Faulconer was hired, not because he's some kind of visionary who will move DBZ into the next millenium. The dub score obviously caters to a young audience, while the Japanese BGM respects the series and it's viewers, be they young or old. Seriously, I don't need a special music cue to tell me that a joke is funny...
Faulconer's score has just as much respect for the material as the original. His music, especially during the Freeza saga through Cell, is really inspiring, and takes you places. I was constantly thinking throughout Freeza and Goku's battle on Namek that this tale was legendary, and that the characters and their actions really mean something. Not to mention all of the stuff afterwards with the gang back on Earth, that just made you believe these people cared about each other, and that they were home. Seriously, Bruce Faulconer is quite talented, and fans should appreciate a different take on the series.

No offense, but the man is hardly on the level of Joe Hisaishi or James Horner.

His music is okay and that's about it. The only piece to me that kind of made me take notice was Piccolo's theme.

Aurek · Post by **Aurek** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:44 am

No offense, but the man is hardly on the level of Joe Hisaishi or James Horner. His music is okay and that's about it. The only piece to me that kind of made me take notice was Piccolo's theme.

Oh no dont get me wrong he's not fantastic. Just not as fantastically bad as some people make him out to be. Its the same thing as Dub bashing in general really.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:25 am

Ah, my mistake then.

Well everyone likes different music and who I am to say they can't?

Adnan · Post by **Adnan** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:52 am

Jerseymilk wrote:The only piece to me that kind of made me take notice was Piccolo's theme.

Oh.. that was another theme I really enjoyed. Forgot about that one but it's quite a nice track. Thanks for reminding me of it 'cause it completely slipped my mind!

I have no problem with people who enjoy Falconer's music (I myself remember fondly some tracks as mentioned here and elsewhere in this thread) but no way can I agree with an assertion that it is better than the original Japanese soundtrack.

However, I must say Piccolo's dub theme is truly great. Better even than Vegeta's and Goku's SSJ3 theme.