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Re: Stereotyping

Post by Perfect » Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:12 am

Zephyr wrote:
Perfect wrote:Wait what? That's extremely biased. I never wanted the heroes to win. I know a lot of people who never wanted to the heroes to win. There are plenty of people who hate the heroes and love the villains, and could care less if the story's perspective makes them evil. In fact, being good or evil doesn't even matter most of the time. What, just because they're a "bad guy", it can't be tragic, because they're not a "good guy"? Yeah, right.
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So if Charles Manson received the death penalty as a result of all of the fucked up shit he had instigated, that would be tragic as well, correct?

I guess I can see how it may arguably be tragic if you look at it like a Shakespearean Tragedy. But that's not the case with Cell. He was designed to kill, he killed many, many people, and as a result he was justly removed from the mortal realm. No character fault that lead to his downfall.
I'm sure they're people that cared about Charles Manson, regardless.
He (Cell) should have killed everyone and everything that had a pulse. His death was tragic to Cell fans that hold him to the degree I do. Good and evil are nothing more than perspectives, judged in the eyes of the beholder.
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Re: Stereotyping

Post by Zephyr » Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:24 am

Perfect wrote:I'm sure they're people that cared about Charles Manson, regardless.
He (Cell) should have killed everyone and everything that had a pulse. His death was tragic to Cell fans that hold him to the degree I do. Good and evil are nothing more than perspectives, judged in the eyes of the beholder.
I understand if you enjoy seeing someone wreaking havoc across the universe (who doesn't?), but to say that something cool coming to an end is tragic (tragic to people outside of the fictional universe, who are in no way actually affected by said event), is a severe, overly dramatic exaggeration of what has transpired.

Its like a comparing the closing of a forum to the holocaust. Regardless of your views on good and evil, right and wrong, objectiveness, etc., its not a remotely sound comparison in terms of how many people it affects.

I guess my overall point is that 'tragic' is a little strong of a word used to describe the way you feel when your favorite character gets killed off in a cartoon. But we may as well cease this redundant derail of a thread about stereotypes.

There is one stereotype that has just been proven true though, some people revere fictional characters to disturbingly high degrees.

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Re: Stereotyping

Post by Perfect » Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:32 am

Zephyr wrote:
Perfect wrote:I'm sure they're people that cared about Charles Manson, regardless.
He (Cell) should have killed everyone and everything that had a pulse. His death was tragic to Cell fans that hold him to the degree I do. Good and evil are nothing more than perspectives, judged in the eyes of the beholder.
I understand if you enjoy seeing someone wreaking havoc across the universe (who doesn't?), but to say that something cool coming to an end is tragic (tragic to people outside of the fictional universe, who are in no way actually affected by said event), is a severe, overly dramatic exaggeration of what has transpired.

Its like a comparing the closing of a forum to the holocaust. Regardless of your views on good and evil, right and wrong, objectiveness, etc., its not a remotely sound comparison in terms of how many people it affects.

I guess my overall point is that 'tragic' is a little strong of a word used to describe the way you feel when your favorite character gets killed off in a cartoon. But we may as well cease this redundant derail of a thread about stereotypes.

There is one stereotype that has just been proven true though, some people revere fictional characters to disturbingly high degrees.
Tragic was a word already thrown into context before hand, I kept the term (regardless of strong it may seem to use) to keep a direct reply, for lack of a better term. What I've been implying throughout the entirety of the time is that a villain could have just as "tragic" of a death as a hero. And even in the real world, for those have committed crimes such as murder, there are people that cared, tragic to them so to speak. Of course the analogy may a bit "strong" for the topic, but it's point is all the same. Meaning, as I begin to sound like a broken record, a villain's death can be as "tragic" and meaningful as a hero's, based on the perspective of who's watching it.

I never really thought of that as a stereotype, more so since it's quite common that people do so.
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Re: Stereotyping

Post by Soul » Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:15 am

You know..
Reminds me of this joke: How many Super Saiyans does it take to screw in a light bulb? One. But it'll take them 20 episodes to do it.

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