Do you guys feel that Kai was a quick Cash-In?

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Post by Rocketman » Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:04 pm

AnimeMaakuo wrote:Goku turning Super Saiyan:
Anime: Badass 2-3 minute scene with epic lightning effects and music

You mean "Freeza stands there and watches Goku grunt for three minutes even though last time he let Goku stand around he got a huge energy ball dropped on him"?

"I think the Manga makes the story go too fast". Like the Gohan vs Cell kamehameha, if that had lasted like 2 minutes in the anime like in the manga It'd ruin the whole experience for me.
You mean "Gohan is almost out of energy, but magically has enough to waste on a giant Kamehameha for over an hour"?
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Post by Goku100xKamehameha » Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:11 pm

AnimeMaakuo wrote:Akira Toriyama loved the work that was done with the Original series, I mean WOW, If he didn't like it, he might of said something to Toei. They should have just left it alone Tbh.
But if he do that the Anime will catch up with the Manga and if that happens, There will be nothing that can be animated.
IMO Kai is superior than Z because it's not cover by mountains of fillers. Sure there's some fillers that I like but I can live without it.
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Post by Goku100xKamehameha » Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:23 pm

AnimeMaakuo wrote:I assume this is coming from a fan of the English "Kai"?

Um....... No, I'm actually never heard the new English dub from the home release and I'm also not a fan of the TV version of English Kai.
AnimeMaakuo wrote:Yeah in the English dub. Besides.. It would be lame to include an an Anime that would be EXACTLY like the Manga, I mean really.. It was nice of Toei to spice things up. His original work for the show will always be a cherished moment.
"Spice" things up? They RUIN things up most of the time by making a lot of inconsistent stories.
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Post by Goku100xKamehameha » Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:36 pm

AnimeMaakuo wrote:Just because it's NOT from the Manga doesn't make it FAKE. If Akira Toryama had a problem with it, he would have spoken up.
How could you know if he had a problem with it, He would spoke up? There are many things that can make him not spoke up, Like money.
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Post by Goku100xKamehameha » Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:45 pm

AnimeMaakuo wrote:Well I guess we will never know, so In all It's a tie. :|
Unless there are some interview where he stated that he likes the Anime or not.
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Post by dan2026 » Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:12 pm

AnimeMaakuo wrote:Just because it's NOT from the Manga doesn't make it FAKE. If Akira Toryama had a problem with it, he would have spoken up.
Toriyama had almost zero control over the creation of the animation adaption. It is entirely Toei's doing

Also what do you mean by 'fake'?
If you are talking about anything added to the anime that wasn't in the manga, then yes it is non-cannon or 'fake', if you will.
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Post by TripleRach » Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:31 pm

Toriyama gave the anime staff a few ideas and character designs for filler material, so he did have a tiny bit of involvement in the anime.
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Post by EnmaDaiou » Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:43 pm

TripleRach wrote:Toriyama gave the anime staff a few ideas and character designs for filler material, so he did have a tiny bit of involvement in the anime.
Very very tiny.
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Post by Zephyr » Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:13 pm

AnimeMaakuo wrote:Just because it's NOT from the Manga doesn't make it FAKE. If Akira Toryama had a problem with it, he would have spoken up.
No its not "fake", but it can often times create unnecessary inconsistencies. Due to the fact that it is a secondary author adding things to the story that the primary author didn't plan on or intend to be included, it causes plotholes. This is why it is considered non-canon.

Yes, plenty of filler is fun, and can add to the story, but not all of it is like that. At its core its nothing more than padding, some of which complements the story, but padding nonetheless. By removing all of the filler, yes you remove the good, but you remove the bad as well, which in my opinion, is a necessary sacrifice for a better paced adaptation.

Also, I don't think Toriyama gave a shit about anything they added. He was creating the manga to pay the bills. That's it. What some company added to an animated adaptation of the thing he was just creating to get by likely didn't concern him very much. This is made apparent by all of the blatant plotholes he allowed Toei to create throughout the show's run.
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Post by AnimeMaakuo » Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:54 pm

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Post by MR.Mark » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:15 pm

penguintruth wrote:
MR.Mark wrote:Kai is not "dragonball z lite" it's a new adaption of the manga, and should be looked at that way.
See, I disagree with this. Editing the existing show and touching it up here and there does not constitute a new adaptation of the manga.
When cutting of said filler not only improves pacing but also fixes many in universe plot holes created by said filler, to me yes it does. A lot of the Toei created filler clashed with Toriyama's in story canon. So along with the better pacing, Kai has a different feel to it due to story coherency alone.
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Post by MR.Mark » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:47 pm

AnimeMaakuo wrote: What do you mean by the Original Dragon Ball Z having plot-holes? "Fillers do not exist". Please don't say that.
Well, I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings, but DBZ had plot holes. Not only plot holes that clashed with the manga, but clashed with the anime itself, contradicting it's own filler.
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Post by AgitoZ » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:50 pm

AnimeMaakuo wrote:Oh? How so?
Well where to begin? There's the creation of the Dragon Balls, Dr. Frappe, and a couple more I just can't remember them all. Also there are scenes that shouldn't happen such as Vegeta seeing SSJ Goku.
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Post by Goku100xKamehameha » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:51 pm

Like when Piccolo destroyed Goku's spaceship but the spaceship Goku uses to get to Namek is the same one!
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