DragonBall Kai vs DragonBall Z Dub

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DragonBall Kai vs DragonBall Z Dub

Post by Cootie » Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:18 am

:? I hope this hasn't already been done.

Well how about we get a "versus" thread comparing the voice acting for the various characters between the Kai and Z English dub. It doesn't just have to be the ones with new voice actors. You can compare Sean's work as Goku between the two dubs if that is what you would like.

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Yamcha (Z)- He sounds like an obnoxious surfer and he seems mostly like a comic relief character which isn't really what he is. He also had some ridiculous lines such as "Cat loves food... yeah yeah!" or something along those lines. Groan inducing.

Yamcha (Kai)- Still sounds like a surfer, but it has been greatly toned down and he seems more sincere in his acting. This along with the new script made the scene where Goku talked to his friends while they were on King Kai's planet actually touching. I like it much better.
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Re: DragonBall Kai vs DragonBall Z Dub

Post by Daimo-Rukiri » Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:20 am

Why compare? The Z or most Dragon Ball dubs are garbage to my ears, I seriously can't stand them!
Kai is a faithful dub, where as the rest were kinda just..uhh you get the idea.

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Re: DragonBall Kai vs DragonBall Z Dub

Post by penguintruth » Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:24 am

That's why I have that link in my signature to my voice chart. (Needs revision and addition, though.)
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Re: DragonBall Kai vs DragonBall Z Dub

Post by TheBlackPaladin » Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:37 am

I will say this about the Z dub: I don't think it's awful. It certainly could be awful at points, but I wouldn't describe the dub as completely awful so much as I would describe it as very "hit-or-miss"...while admitting that it missed more often than it hit.

At the same time, I feel like some of the hardcore subbies tend to parade around the horrors of Season 3 like that's how the whole dub was, and it wasn't. It just wasn't. I don't care how bad an impression it left, that's not a reason to just ignore the improvements the dub made as time went on. Generally speaking, the rule of thumb with the original DBZ dub is that the later it was dubbed, the better it will be. Some parts of it were scripted very loyally and received an equally good dub (made all the more bearable nowadays thanks to the Japanese-music-with-English-voices audio track, which is always how I watch DBZ). One of the first things that comes to mind is the first Broly movie (Movie 8 ). The other thing that sticks out in my mind is the episode where Gohan kills Cell, which is good because that was a very important episode to get right. The Buu Saga and a lot of the later movies were also pretty well done (again sticking to the "the later it was dubbed, the better it will be" rule). I also can't bash the dub cast too much because with a few exceptions, I still love these voices. I would not be so interested in Kai's dub if I didn't love this voice cast. They are the voices that brought the characters to life for me.

.....Having said all that, there isn't really a comparison. The Kai dub is much, much, much better overall. Especially in the writing and the acting departments. Not that it's without its disappointments. I'm a little disappointed with how much filler was removed for Kai, and I think Yamamoto's score is a little too repetitive in comparison to Kikuchi's score...then again, that's a complaint with the show overall more so than the dub. What would have been best would have been a loyal re-dub of Z, or better yet, if it had been dubbed loyally from the start.

I'm kind of a weird fan, though. I love the voice cast, just not FUNimation's "reversioning" efforts. I don't regard the voice cast as synonomous with FUNimation's reversioning. I guess the best way to put it is that I'm a fan of the voices, but not the way in which they were utilized. My biggest complaint was that I couldn't hear these voices with the original music (which is no longer a problem as of 2007) and with faithfully-translated dialogue (which is no longer a problem as of 2010, thank you Kai). In addition, the few voices I didn't like--most notably Freeza as played by Linda Young--have been recast. So I'm loving Kai's dub. When I have kids, I will introduce them to the show through Kai's dub.
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Re: DragonBall Kai vs DragonBall Z Dub

Post by LeprikanGT » Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:19 pm

If we would have had the Z dub voices with the Kai redraws and script [keeping 9000], with the UNCUT-ness of Z, this would have been d*mn near perfect.

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Re: DragonBall Kai vs DragonBall Z Dub

Post by Zephyr » Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:03 pm

Pros of Z (on the Dragon Box):
Less unnecessary visual edits (blood, etc)
Original Score

Pros of Kai:
Cheaper
Less Filler
Better Dub

Given these, I honestly can't decide what to buy....

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Re: DragonBall Kai vs DragonBall Z Dub

Post by Tsukento » Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:24 pm

Zephyr wrote:Pros of Z (on the Dragon Box):
Less unnecessary visual edits (blood, etc)
Original Score

Pros of Kai:
Cheaper
Less Filler
Better Dub

Given these, I honestly can't decide what to buy....
Uh, didn't they actually stop editing out blood (for the most part)? The last time I remember Kai having any issues with blood was when Freeza impaled Kuririn and started bucking him around, which was more of a violence edit, I suppose.

Other than that, we got Dr. Gero impaling Yamcha without any changes. o_o
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Re: DragonBall Kai vs DragonBall Z Dub

Post by Zephyr » Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:46 pm

Tsukento wrote:
Zephyr wrote:Pros of Z (on the Dragon Box):
Less unnecessary visual edits (blood, etc)
Original Score

Pros of Kai:
Cheaper
Less Filler
Better Dub

Given these, I honestly can't decide what to buy....
Uh, didn't they actually stop editing out blood (for the most part)? The last time I remember Kai having any issues with blood was when Freeza impaled Kuririn and started bucking him around, which was more of a violence edit, I suppose.

Other than that, we got Dr. Gero impaling Yamcha without any changes. o_o
Well that's good. So the favor continues to tip more towards Kai's direction....though its still about an even trade off in my eyes. Guess I'll go for both!

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Post by AgitoZ » Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:28 pm

AnimeMaakuo wrote:There are some problems with English dub "Kai" that aren't just when he got impaled by Freeza. When Piccolo shoots the beam through them it only showed a burn mark, than a hole with blood spewing out. Another one is that Bardock had no scar.
No we all know that. Tsukento was pointing out after that point in the Freeza arc they calmed down on the edits.
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Re: DragonBall Kai vs DragonBall Z Dub

Post by Mewzard » Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:49 pm

AnimeMaakuo wrote:There are some problems with English dub "Kai" that aren't just when he got impaled by Freeza. When Piccolo shoots the beam through them it only showed a burn mark, than a hole with blood spewing out. Another one is that Bardock had no scar.
Those aren't problems on the home release, though. Those are only the tv edits. So, picking up the released material is a viable option.
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Re: DragonBall Kai vs DragonBall Z Dub

Post by Innagadadavida » Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:31 am

AnimeMaakuo wrote:But the downside is the characters are changed like Freeza..
I don't think that one is a downside.

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