Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[JulieYBM]

Beans: Good for the heart, 'cause they make you fart.

[Zionist]

Anyone else wonder why in every other page Vegetto is missing a part of his ensemble? Namely his earrings. I mean obviously Bra almost blew him into oblivion.....but it's just DBZ logic that stuff like that doesn't get destroyed....lol DBZ logic, what am I thinking. This is DBM logic, where Buu is the biggest troll character ever

[rereboy]

Gogeta jr just forgets to draw the potara earings sometimes. Its not a big deal.

And I was kidding about the troll. As I said in my other post, I find Buu`s actions perfectly logical.

[Big Momma]

Problem, Vegetto?

[TrunksTrevelyan0064]

I so hope Yamcha doesn't jinx himself by talking like that.

[Jaruka]

It's nice to see Yamcha actually useful... For once.

[Dayspring]

There's also constant awkward phrasing. "Congrats for these fights"? Stray commas abound, too. It's not bad enough where you can't get the gist but in such professionally looking work it's a shame to have sloppy dialogue.

The stray commas was totally awkward. To be fair, some changes were needed, as a direct translation would have gotten us the wrong diction ("I impatiently await" instead of "I can't wait 'til"), but the way it was done here was just, well, off.

As a translator, though, I can understand the "Congrats for these fights." The original is "Bravo," which can mean more in French than it does in English, depending on context. In French, the context made the expression mean both "congrats on doing a good job of" and "thanks for the great" at the same time. That kind of a blend isn't a play on words or anything; it's just a result of "Bravo" being used a lot more casually in French than in English. That may also be why they didn't just leave it as "Bravo" in the English version. I'm starting to derail myself, but the point I'm trying to make is that you would either have to completely rewrite the sentence here, or hope it doesn't come off as too awkward. They chose the latter as the lesser of two evils.

@Piccolo Daimao: It started off as Salagir doing them himself, which is why he had asked me at one point. I was too busy at the time, so various other people volunteered (I think many were French fans who know English and just wanted to be a part of the project). The result is that chunks of pages are handled by different people. Some better than Salagir, some on par with and others much, much worse. Since he's got so many translators now, and since DBM is frickin' huge in Europe, . He's basically stuck having to trust the translators' capabilities. He won't know their unqualified until after seeing us complain about the finished product.

So indirectly: I'm to blame.

[Big Momma]

You really screwed the pooch on that one, Dayspring.







I'm kidding =P

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

@Piccolo Daimao: It started off as Salagir doing them himself, which is why he had asked me at one point. I was too busy at the time, so various other people volunteered (I think many were French fans who know English and just wanted to be a part of the project). The result is that chunks of pages are handled by different people. Some better than Salagir, some on par with and others much, much worse. Since he's got so many translators now, and since DBM is frickin' huge in Europe, . He's basically stuck having to trust the translators' capabilities. He won't know their unqualified until after seeing us complain about the finished product.

So indirectly: I'm to blame.

Lol, thanks for your explanation.

[FindKenshi]

So does anyone have access to Salagir's original fanfics? I heard the entire DBM follows one of Salagirs old fanfics as a script.. but they're old and they're completly in French, so maybe no one has found these treasures. Salagir probably doesn't want spoilers to come out, so he may have rushed to remove the old stories to try to cover up. I heard most of his universes were based on fics too.. I found chapter one of his Universe 16 fanfic translated, but they won't translate the other pages.

This would be nice for those craving more of DBM and who don't mind spoilers, but of course those who hate spoilers would want to avoid it like the plague. I've never minded spoilers personally.

[Dayspring]

So does anyone have access to Salagir's original fanfics? I heard the entire DBM follows one of Salagirs old fanfics as a script.. but they're old and they're completly in French, so maybe no one has found these treasures. Salagir probably doesn't want spoilers to come out, so he may have rushed to remove the old stories to try to cover up. I heard most of his universes were based on fics too.. I found chapter one of his Universe 16 fanfic translated, but they won't translate the other pages.

This would be nice for those craving more of DBM and who don't mind spoilers, but of course those who hate spoilers would want to avoid it like the plague. I've never minded spoilers personally.

That's a rumor. There are one or two universes made on quickly abandoned fan-mangas (Scour my posts in this thread and you'll see I provided translations and a link for the Kakarotto universe's fan-manga), while some universes are sequels to or inspired by fanfics he wrote or others wrote and he liked. Any fanfics pertaining to DBM universes can be found on the French version of the site with relative ease, but DBM is a complete standalone in that it was this fanmanga since day one.

[Kingdom Heartless]

[FindKenshi]

So does anyone have access to Salagir's original fanfics? I heard the entire DBM follows one of Salagirs old fanfics as a script.. but they're old and they're completly in French, so maybe no one has found these treasures. Salagir probably doesn't want spoilers to come out, so he may have rushed to remove the old stories to try to cover up. I heard most of his universes were based on fics too.. I found chapter one of his Universe 16 fanfic translated, but they won't translate the other pages.

This would be nice for those craving more of DBM and who don't mind spoilers, but of course those who hate spoilers would want to avoid it like the plague. I've never minded spoilers personally.

That's a rumor. There are one or two universes made on quickly abandoned fan-mangas (Scour my posts in this thread and you'll see I provided translations and a link for the Kakarotto universe's fan-manga), while some universes are sequels to or inspired by fanfics he wrote or others wrote and he liked. Any fanfics pertaining to DBM universes can be found on the French version of the site with relative ease, but DBM is a complete standalone in that it was this fanmanga since day one.

Darn, so there's no place that I can get spoilers on XXI and the like? Especially since I leave in November for six months and will have no internet during that time, that's kind of a dissapointment. But on the bright side, thinking about it, there will be a lot of new pages for me to read by the time I come back!

I just hope they stick with it and keep working hard. It seems to be a dedicated team, rather then just one or two individuals, so that should help them to not get bored and taper off like I did for my own fics haha.

Also, I wouldn't mind completly rewriting the sentances to have better English syntax and a natural form of speech. I mean, wouldn't you rather see "Where's your spirit of competition?" instead of "Where's your sport spirit?" Which makes no sense and sounds pretty silly to read. I can easily clean up the DBM broken English dialoug in my head as I read it though, so it's not really all that bad in reality.

[dbgtFO]

@ the new page
Apparently Yamcha does not know the mechanics of Broly's LSSJ form... great page though, although I dislike the androids becoming weaker as Salagir's explanation for why Trunks thought they were weaker in his time, when it is obvious that they were simply holding back all along.

[Senzu_Bean]

... when it is obvious that they were simply holding back all along.

Actually that doesn't work not to mention it goes against manga, guides, etc. Let me quote the great Herms:

I’m not sure how much room there is for that sort of explanation. Gohan seemed pretty confident that he could beat both 17 and 18, so he’s apparently a lot stronger than their “less than half power” versions put together. But it seems that 17 on his own was more than enough to kill Gohan, which would suggest 17 was using 100% of his power or close to it. 3 years later, Bulma says that Trunks is stronger than Gohan was back then…just not so amazingly strong enough that it’ll make a difference (Viz changes this slightly so that Bulma doubts the Trunks is any stronger than Gohan was). So I think it’s very likely that Trunks would also have gotten the androids to fight at full power or close to it.

As you see the notion the future Artificial Humans aren't necessarily weaker than the present ones is just one of numerous instances the fans believe they know more than the manga, guides, etc. which of course they don't.

[FindKenshi]

Well yes, we all respect Herms and the work he's put in towards the Dragonball community, but that doesnt' mean we're not allowed to disagree with him. >_>

Just because #17 solo'ed Gohan doesn't mean he used 100% of his power to do so. #17 said he used less than half of his power in Viz's version, and unless Herms corrects that as saying he used 50%, then I'd say it's possible #17 used a smaller fraction then you would think. It's no proof Trunks made them fight 100% out.

Also you seem pretty behind the guides as well, but would you say Nappa had a battle power of only 4000 to Piccolo's 3500? Doesn't seem likely at all now does it. In these touchy debates we should only consider the manga, the guides go right out the window.

[Senzu_Bean]

Well yes, we all respect Herms and the work he's put in towards the Dragonball community, but that doesnt' mean we're not allowed to disagree with him. >_>

But the truth is you really don't have much room for that sort of explanation. Less than 50 is 49 or 48, not 20 or 10.

Not saying you're aren't only contradict the guides but the manga too.

Also you seem pretty behind the guides as well, but would you say Nappa had a battle power of only 4000 to Piccolo's 3500?

Of course!

[FindKenshi]

But the truth is you really don't have much room for that sort of explanation. Less than 50 is 49 or 48, not 20 or 10.

HuH? Does math work differntly in Japan? Maybe Herms can clarify that. But last time I checked, 20 or 10 percent certainly is under 50 percent.

Not saying you're aren't only contradict the guides but the manga too.

A statement is canon unless it's contradicted. You could easily argue that #17 in the future saying he used less than half power against Gohan is the contradiction to Trunks's statement. And it makes sense too.

Of course!

Oh, so then how do you explain Nappa keeping up with Goku who was at 8000, and making both Goku and Vegeta state it would take all day with him? You realize a difference of double in power would make this impossible right?

Also if you are so behind the Daizenshuu how do you explain one book that says Gohan only went ssj2 at the Cell Game and then at the tournament with Kibito, while the other book says that he was ssj2 when he fought Dabura. That's two different answers from two different books of the same series, doesn't sound very reliable eh?

[Senzu_Bean]

HuH? Does math work differntly in Japan? Maybe Herms can clarify that. But last time I checked, 20 or 10 percent certainly is under 50 percent.

Now you're just being hypocrite. If #17 used 10 or 20 percent he would have say it. Of course whatever amount he used against Gohan has to be close to 50% otherwise he would have said "less than x%" not 50%. Heck, by that logic why didn't he said less than 100%?

A statement is canon unless it's contradicted. You could easily argue that #17 in the future saying he used less than half power against Gohan is the contradiction to Trunks's statement. And it makes sense too.

No, cause there is no such thing as retcon in that scene.

Oh, so then how do you explain Nappa keeping up with Goku who was at 8000, and making both Goku and Vegeta state it would take all day with him? You realize a difference of double in power would make this impossible right?.

Nappa wasn't keeping up with Goku, so...

Also if you are so behind the Daizenshuu how do you explain one book that says Gohan only went ssj2 at the Cell Game and then at the tournament with Kibito, while the other book says that he was ssj2 when he fought Dabura.

The Daizenshuu don't say such thing.

[dbgtFO]

Nappa wasn't keeping up with Goku, so...

What manga have you been reading?? O_o
1. In the beginning of the fight, Yes Goku was pwning Nappa but then Vegeta seemed certain Nappa could beat Goku if he calmed down.
2. Nappa calmed down concentrated all his power in a better way and started fighting EVENLY with Goku, even frikkin Goku who just beat the crap out of him said that he did a lot better than before.. when he was beating the crap out of him!!
3. As FindKenshi said Goku didn't think he could beat Nappa that easily after their little struggle.
Conclusion: After calming down Nappa was close to Goku's power and was able to keep up with him.
Don't start claiming things when it is obvious the opposite is true.