Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[Godo]

Question: Has anyone ever considered giving DB Kid Goku zenkais? I guess it wont mean much...but it is something to consider.

When Kuririn hears about the zenkais, he says: "No wonder Goku got stronger after each battle!". So I guess they existed, but were not very significant.
If he was at 120, the zenkai would have put him at, like 130 or 140.
It also makes sense that Piccolo didn't surpass Goku in strength, while he spent all those years after the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai to train, and Goku to be with his family, not training 24/7. What I mean is that after the horrendeous beating Goku got, he probably got a great zenkai.

[Xyex]

He's one of the guys that believes Goku never got a 33x zenkai, and that he was instead using an invisible Kaio-ken x10 against Freeza to keep up in the outset, and that SSJ Goku's max was only 15 mil, and that Freeza's max was only 12 mil and such. Because otherwise, their battle powers would be absurdly high. I personally don't agree with it, but I'm pretty sure that's the tl;dr version.

No, he's not, did you even read his battle power list? He's got Base Goku and Freeza at 1.8 mil and 2.12 mil respectively, and SSJ Goku at 42 mil.

No, Rocketman is one of the ones who thinks/prefers that system. I'm actually surprise he went ahead and did it with Base Goku being closer to Freeza like that, truthfully.

[Kaboom]

Just had this pointed out to me, sorry.

Shouldn't Gohan at least be a little bit stronger, say 160.000.000 since it's stated that the androids of the future are much more powerful than their other counterparts.

Nah, I don't buy it. The in-story evidence better tells me that they toyed with Trunks like they did Gohan, giving him a false impression of their power. They revealed to Gohan right before they killed him that they were so much stronger than thought, but Trunks wasn't around for that. On the flipside, the 'prime' Androids weren't nearly so bored, and just laid the smackdown.

Which is why I take THIS part more to heart...

Also when Gohan states at the beginning of the gaiden, that he wished that he was just as strong as his father was, Goku could have trained after his fight with Freezer thus be at little bit stronger than his counterpart in the other universe.

But with no immediate threat, Goku wouldn't train nearly as intensely, and Gohan wouldn't have trained much, if at all (ChiChi wouldn't let him). Everyone in Trunks' timeline must have been much weaker than in the 'prime' one.

[Rocketman]

No, Rocketman is one of the ones who thinks/prefers that system. I'm actually surprise he went ahead and did it with Base Goku being closer to Freeza like that, truthfully. :lol:

I've actually never looked at it seriously until i made that list above. The numbers I put up there are how I see it now.I would've loved to force the numbers lower, but Freeza and Goku's flat multipliers and Vegeta's high base worked against me.

[Xyex]

No, Rocketman is one of the ones who thinks/prefers that system. I'm actually surprise he went ahead and did it with Base Goku being closer to Freeza like that, truthfully.

I've actually never looked at it seriously until i made that list above. The numbers I put up there are how I see it now.I would've loved to force the numbers lower, but Freeza and Goku's flat multipliers and Vegeta's high base worked against me.

Yeah, Vegeta's high base level against Freeza always made things hard for me back before I learned the 12 and 15 million levels were mistranslations. If Dragonball had ended with Freeza it wouldn't matter, but the Android arc makes it just not work.

On that note, however, I have a list that's even lower than Rocketman's! A 'what-if' list that I just finished. In this list the 'what-if' being explored is as follows:
1) A 10% difference in power allows you to completely own someone else.
2) Kaioken yields a 10% increase in BP per level (thus requiring a Kaioken x10 to achieve a doubling of power).
3) SSJ is a 7x increase normally, 10x when mastered. SSJ2 and 3 remain 2x and 1.5x respectively.

The only official levels followed here are (some of) the initial levels of the series:

-=Saiya-jin Arrival=-
-Good-
Chaotzu - 108
Roshi - 139
Yamcha - 177
Krillin - 208
Tien - 250
Piccolo - 322
+ W/out Weights - 408
+ SBC (Fist shot) - 475
+ SBC (Second shot) - 350
Goku - 332
+ W/out Weights - 416
+ Kamehameha - 450
+ Injured/tired - 321
Gohan - 5
+ Powered-up - 400
+ Angry - 480

-Bad-
Raditz - 480
+ Injured - 320

-=Vegeta Battle=-
-Good-
Yajirobe - 420
Chaotzu - 490
Yamcha - 200
+ Full power - 515
Krillin - 205
+ Full power - 530
Tien - 220
+ Full power - 570
Gohan - 560
+ Angry Masenko - 665
+ Oozaru - 1,120
Piccolo - 225
+ Full power - 650
Goku - 700
+ Full power - 800
+ Kaioken - 880
+ Kaiokenx2 - 960
+ Kaiokenx3 - 1,040
+ Kamehameha - 1,100
+ Kaiokenx4 Kamehameha - 1,200
+ Spirit Bomb - 1,700
+ Spirit Bomb (energy lost) - 850

-Bad-
Saibamen - 450
Nappa (relaxed) - 740
+ Focused - 760
+ Max - 775
Vegeta - 1,005
+ Gallick Gun - 1,150
+ Injured - 920
+ Post false moon - 875
+ Oozaru - 1,750
+ Tail severed - 850
+ Injured(2) - 720
+ Crushed - 300

-=Namek Saga=-
-Good-
Gohan - 575
+ Guru Power-up - 1,438
Krillin - 530
+ Guru Power-up - 1,325

-Bad-
Vegeta - 1,340
+ Zenkai - 1,620
Kui - 1,045
Dodoria - 1,200
Zarbon - 1,250
+ Monster - 1,500

-=Ginyu Saga=-
-Good-
Gohan - 1,438
+ Zenkai - 1,920
Krillin - 1,325
Vegeta - 1,620
+ Final Flash - 1,850
+ Zenkai (exhausted) - 2,400
+ Zenkai (full) - 3,100
Goku - 700
+ Full Power - 2,300
+ Kaiokenx3 - 2,990
+ In Ginyu - 230
Nail - 2,000

-Bad-
Guldo - 1,250
Recoome - 2,000
Jiece - 2,000
Burter - 2,000
Ginyu - 2,200
+ Full Power - 2,500
+ In Goku - 1,520
Freeza - 3,500

-=Freeza Saga=-
-Good-
Krillin - 1,325
Gohan - 1,920
+ Angry Masenko (Vs. 2nd form) - 3,840
+ Zenkai - 2,825
+ Angry (Vs.3rd form) - 5,650
Vegeta - 3,100
+ Zenkai - 6,200
Piccolo - 950
+ Fused with Nail - 4,700
+ W/out weights - 5,000
Goku - 6,800
+ KKx10 - 13,600
+ KKx20 - 20,400
+ Kamehameha - 21,000
+ SSJ - 47,600

-Bad-
Freeza - 3,500
+ 2nd Form - 4,550
+ Power-up 1 - 4,700
+ Power-up 2 - 4,950
+ 3rd Form - 5,600
+ Final Form - 7,000
+ 50% Power - 22,000
+ 100% Power - 44,000

-=History of Trunks=-
~Park Battle~
-Good-
Gohan - 6,250
+ SSJ - 43,750
Trunks - 5,875

-Bad-
Android 18 - 47,000
Android 17 - 50,000

~Gohan's Death~
-Good-
Gohan - 6,350
+ SSJ - 44,450
Trunks - 6,000
+ SSJ - 42,000

-Bad-
Android 18 - 48,000
+ Full Power - 120,000
Android 17 - 50,000
+ Full Power - 125,000

~Bridge Town~
-Good-
Trunks - 6,800
+ SSJ - 47,600

-Bad-
Android 18 - 60,000
Android 17 - 62,500

-=Trunks Saga=-
-Good-
Trunks - 5
+ Full Power - 6,850
+ SSJ - 47,950
Goku - 7,200
+ SSJ - 50,400

-Bad-
Soldiers - 800 - 1,200
Cold - 8,000
Freeza - 7,500
+ Full Power - 46,000 (unused)

-=Android Saga=-
-Good-
Yamcha - 1,000
Tien - 1,200
Krillin - 1,500
Gohan - 4,500
Piccolo - 3,000
+ W/out weights - 30,000
Goku - 10,000
+ SSJ - 70,000
+ Sick - 55,000 (and dropping)
+ Post Kamehameha - 30,000
Vegeta - 10,500
+ SSJ - 73,500
+ Drained - 63,500
+ Big Bang Attack - 70,000
+ Post BBA - 50,000
Trunks - 6,900
+ SSJ - 48,300

-Bad-
Android 19 - 20,000
+ Goku's Kamehameha - 45,000
+ Goku's Energy - 50,000
+ Vegeta's Energy - 60,000
Android 20 - 22,000
+ Energy - 25,000
Android 18 - 120,000
Android 17 - 125,000
Android 16 - 135,000
Cell - 115,000

-=Cell Saga=-
-Good-
Piccolo - 30,000
+ Fused with Kami - 130,000
Vegeta - 24,000
+ SSJ - 168,000
+ SSJU - 340,000
+ Final Flash - 400,000
Trunks - 23,000
+ SSJ - 161,000
+ SSJU - 325,000
+ SSJU2 - 490,000

-Bad-
Android 18 - 120,000
Android 17 - 125,000
Android 16 - 135,000
Cell - 115,00
+ Piccolo's Energy - 120,000
+ Humans - 135,000
+ Semi-Perfect - 260,000
+ Perfect - 380,000
+ Full Power (buff) -

-=Cell Games=-
-Good-
Piccolo - 190,000
Vegeta - 40,000
+ SSJ - 340,000
Trunks - 39,000
+ SSJ - 312,000
Goku - 45,000
+ SSJ - 450,000
+ Warp Kamehameha - 500,000
+ Tired - 225,000
Gohan - 55,000
+ SSJ - 550,000
+ Angry SSJ - 700,000
+ SSJ2 - 1,100,000
+ Angry SSJ2 - 1,400,000
+ Injured - 650,000
+ Injured (Determined) - 900,000
+ FSK - 1,000,000
+ Injured Full Power - 1,300,000
+ FSK Full Power - 1,500,000

-Bad-
Cell - 380,000
+ Vs. Goku - 475,000
+ Full Power - 600,000
+ Buff - 1,140,000
+ Super Perfect - 1,200,000
+ Kamehameha - 1,350,000

-=Return to the Future=-
-Good-
Trunks - 39,000
+ SSJ - 312,000

-Bad-
Android 18 - 60,000
Android 17 - 62,500
+ Full Power - 125,000

-=Future Cell=-
-Good-
Trunks - 42,000
+ SSJ - 420,000

-Bad-
Cell - 110,000

-=Budokai=-
-Good-
Krillin - 1,400
Goten - 12,000
+ SSJ - 120,000
Trunks - 12,500
+ SSJ - 125,000
Android 18 - 120,000
Piccolo - 230,000
Kibito - 55,000
Shin - 250,000
Gohan - 48,000
+ SSJ - 480,000
+ SSJ2 - 960,000

-Bad-
Yamu - 8
Spoppovitch - 10

-=Majin Saga=-
-Good-
Shin - 250,000
Gohan - 48,000
+ SSJ - 480,000
+ Kamehameha - 550,000
Vegeta - 53,000
+ SSJ - 530,000
+ SSJ2 - 1,060,000
+ Majin - 1,300,000
Goku - 65,000
+ SSJ - 650,000
+ SSJ2 - 1,300,000
+ SSJ3 - 1,950,000

-Bad-
Pui Pui - 35,000
Yakon - 70,000
Dabura - 500,000
Majin Buu - 1,000,000
+ Powered-up - 1,400,000
+ Full Power - 1,800,000

-=Fusion Saga ~ Part 1=-
-Good-
Goten - 12,000
+ SSJ - 120,000
Trunks - 12,500
+ SSJ - 125,000
Gotenks - 120,000
+ SSJ - 1,200,000

-Bad-
Majin Buu - 1,000,000
+ Powered-up - 1,400,000
+ Full Power - 1,800,000

-=Fusion Saga ~ Part 2=-
-Good-
Kibito - 55,000
Shin - 250,000
Kibitoshin - 610,000
Goten - 13,500
+ SSJ - 135,000
Trunks - 14,000
+ SSJ - 140,000
Gotenks - 135,000
+ SSJ - 1,350,000
+ SSJ2 - 2,700,000
+ SSJ3 - 4,050,000
Ultimate Gohan - 6,000,000
Vegeta - 65,000
+ SSJ - 650,000
+ SSJ2 - 1,300,000
Goku - 65,000
+ SSJ - 650,000
+ SSJ2 - 1,300,000
+ SSJ3 - 1,950,000
Vegetto - 1,300,000
+ SSJ - 13,000,000

-Bad-
Majin Buu - 1,000,000
+ Powered-up - 1,400,000
+ Full Power - 1,800,000
Mr. Buu - 900,000
Skinny Buu - 1,200,000
+ Super Buu - 4,200,000
+ Super Buu2 - 8,480,000
+ Super Buu1.5 - 4,705,000
+ Super Buu3 - 10,705,000
Kid Buu - 2,100,000

-=Kid Buu Saga=-
-Good-
Mr. Buu - 900,000
Vegeta - 65,000
+ SSJ - 650,000
+ SSJ2 - 1,300,000
Goku - 65,000
+ SSJ - 650,000
+ SSJ2 - 1,300,000
+ SSJ3 - 1,950,000
Super Spirit Bomb - 5,000,000
+ Goku Pushing - 5,650,000

-Bad-
Kid Buu - 2,100,000

-=10 Years Later=-
Pan - 30,000
Goten - 13,000
+ SSJ - 130,000
Trunks - 13,000
+ SSJ - 130,000
Mr. Buu - 900,000
Vegeta - 82,000
+ SSJ - 820,000
+ SSJ2 - 1,640,000
Goku - 90,000
+ SSJ - 900,000
+ SSJ2 - 1,800,000
+ SSJ3 - 2,700,000
Uub - 5,000
+ Angry - 50,000
Ultimate Gohan - 6,000,000

[Rocketman]

Gotenks SSJ3 - 4,050,000
Ultimate Gohan - 6,000,000

Vegetto - 1,300,000

Get out.

[p123]

Saiyan Saga Part 1


Roshi 139
Yamcha 177
Kuririn 206
Tien 250

Piccolo
~ Weights 322
~ Full Power 408

Goku
~Weights 334
~Full Power 416


Raditz 1,260

Gohan
~Rage1 710
~Rage2 1,307





Saiyan Saga Part 2


Saibamen 1,200

Yamcha 1,300
Kuririn 1,463
Tien 1,570
Piccolo 1,830

Nappa 8,000

Goku
~Initial 5,000
~FullPower 8,060
~Kaioken 16,120
~KKx3 24,180
~KKx4 32,240

Vegeta 18,000
~Oozaru 180,000




Freeza's Henchmen


Namekians 1,000
~Full Power 3,000

Kiwi 18,000
Dodoria 21,000
Zarbon 22,000
~Transformed 30,000

Vegeta 24,000
~Zenkai 32,000




Ginyu Force


Guldo 10,000

Kuririn 13,000
Gohan 14,000

Reecome 45,000
Burter 45,000
Jeice 45,000

Vegeta 33,000
~Battle Worn 30,000
~Zenkai 60,000

Ginyu 120,000

Goku 90,000
~Kaioken 180,000



Freeza Saga

Nail 42,000

Piccolo
~ Initial 300,000
~ Nail Fusion W/w 1,250,000
~ Nail Fusion 1,500,000

Gohan 275,000
~Rage 1,000,000
~Zenkai 450,000
~Rage 1,800,000

Vegeta 475,000
~Zenkai 2,400,000


Freeza
~ 3rd Suppression 530,000
~Initial 2nd 1,060,000
~Power Up 2nd 1,200,000
~ 2nd Suppression 1,400,000
~ 1st Suppression 2,250,000
~ Initial True Form 3,300,000
~ 50% 70,000,000
~ 75% 105,000,000
~ 100% 140,000,000


Goku 3,000,000
~KKx10 30,000,000
~KKx20 60,000,000
~SSJ 150,000,000


Mecha Freeza Saga


Vegeta 2,750,000
Piccolo 2,950,000

Trunks 3,100,000
~SSJ 155,000,000

King Cold
~ Initial 4,500,000
~ Full Power 120,000,000

Mecha Freeza
~ Initial 4,000,000
~ Full Power 165,000,000

Goku 3,500,000
~SSJ 175,000,000








Andriods Saga


Gohan 2,000,000

Tien 4,000,000

Andriod 20 120,000,000
~Post 180,000,000

Andriod 19 110,000,000
~Post 250,000,000


Trunks 5,400,000
~SSJ 270,000,000

Goku 6,300,000
~SSJ 315,000,000

Vegeta 6,400,000
~SSJ 320,000,000

Andriod 18 400,000,000

Andriod 17 420,000,000

Piccolo 210,000,000
~Kami Fusion W/w 390,000,000
~Kami Fusion 420,000,000


Andriod 16 520,000,000

Imperfect Cell 350,000,000
~Post Absorbtion 520,000,000




Cell Saga



Vegeta 18,000,000
~SSJ 900,000,000
~USSJ 1,800,000,000

Semi Cell
~ Initial 940,000,000
~ Full Power 1,300,000,000
~ Initial PC 1,700,000,000
~ Perfect Cell 2,750,000,000

Trunks 16,000,000
~SSJ 800,000,000
~USSJ 1,600,000,000
~USSJ2 3,200,000,000



Cell Games


Piccolo 3,000,000,000

Cell Juniors 4,000,000,000

Trunks 80,000,000
~SSJ 4,000,000,000

Vegeta 80,000,000
~SSJ 4,000,000,000


Goku 100,000,000
~50% SSJ 2,750,000,000
~ SSJ 5,500,000,000

Perfect Cell
~ Suppressed 2,750,000,000
~ Powered Up 6,000,000,000
~ Full Power 10,000,000,000
~ Super Perfect 17,000,000,000

Gohan 120,000,000
~SSJ 6,000,000,000
~SSJ2 18,000,000,000





Buu Saga Part 1


Yakon 100,000,000

Goten 50,000,000
~SSJ 2,500,000,000

Trunks 53,000,000
~SSJ 2,650,000,000

Piccolo 3,000,000,000

Kaioshin 4,000,000,000

Dabura 4,666,666,666

Gohan 90,000,000
~SSJ 4,500,000,000
~SSJ2 13,500,000,000

Vegeta 110,000,000
~SSJ 5,500,000,000
~SSJ2 16,500,000,000






Buu Saga Part 2


Kibito 75,000,000

Majin Vegeta 140,000,000
~SSJ 7,000,000,000
~SSJ2 21,000,000,000


Fat Buu
~ Initial 5,000,000,000
~ Powered Up 23,000,000,000
~ Good 23,000,000,000
~ Evil 27,000,000,000
~ Full Power 50,000,000,000

Gotenks 20,000,000,000
~ SSJ 40,000,000,000

Gohan
~Post Z Sword 180,000,000
~ SSJ 9,000,000,000
~ SSJ2 27,000,000,000


Buu Saga Part 2

Tien 20,000,000


Goten 62,500,000
~SSJ 3,125,000,000

Trunks 66,000,000
~SSJ 3,300,000,000



Gotenks 27,000,000,000
~SSJ 54,000,000,000
~SSJ2 81,000,000,000
~SSJ3 108,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan 150,000,000,000

Super Buu 100,000,000,000
~Buucollo 103,628,500,000
~Buff 140,000,000,000
~Buutenks 211,500,000,000
~Buuhan 253,628,500,000


Vegetto 250,000,000,000
~SSJ 500,000,000,000



Buu Saga Part 3

KibitoShin 16,300,000,000


Vegeta 140,000,000
~SSJ 7,000,000,000
~SSJ2 21,000,000,000


Mr. Buu 23,000,000,000


Goku 140,000,000
~SSJ 7,000,000,000
~SSJ2 21,000,000,000
~SSJ3 63,000,000,000



Majin Buu 70,000,000,000








Movies+Anime


Cooler 160,000,000
~Final Form 540,000,000
~Metal Cooler 1,000,000,000

Pikkon
~Weights
~Full Power 7,000,000,000


Bojack
~ Transformed 9,500,000,000



Broly Movie 10 93,750,000
~ SSJ 4,375,500,000
~ LSSJ 17,500,000,000



BrolyMovie 8 125,000,000
~ RSSJ 6,250,000,000
~ LSSJ 25,000,000,000






Here's my list...

[Nazi Cola]

Cell Arc

“The Future”

Future Gohan: 3,200,000
- [SSjin]: 160,000,000

Future Trunks [13]: 54,000
- [SSjin]: 2,700,000

Future Trunks [16]: 4,000,000
- [SSjin]: 200,000,000

Android 18: 365,000,000

Android 17: 400,000,000
- [less than half power]: 135,000,000


“Arrival of Trunks”

Mecha Freeza vs. Future Trunks
Vegeta: 2,950,000

Piccolo [w/weights]: 2,250,000
- [full power, not seen]: 2,875,000

Gohan: 250,000

Tien: 75,000
Krillin: 150,000
Yamcha: 45,000
Chaozu: 22,000

Freeza [cybernetic enhancements, 3%]: 4,650,000
- [cybernetic enhancements, 100%, not seen]: 165,000,000

Future Trunks [suppressed]: 5
- [full power]: 4,000,000
- [SSjin]: 200,000,000

King Cold vs. Future Trunks
King Cold: 5,000,000
- [2nd form, not seen]: 140,000,000

SSjin Future Trunks: 200,000,000

Goku vs. Future Trunks
Goku: 4,250,000
- [SSjin]: 212,500,000

Future Trunks: 4,000,000
- [SSjin]: 200,000,000


“Battle with the Androids”

Yamcha vs. Android 20
Yamcha: 160,000

Android 20: 225,000,000
- [Yamcha’s ki absorbed]: 225,150,000

Android 19: 220,000,000

Goku vs. Android 19
Goku: 10,000,000 [steadily declining]
- [SSjin, full power, not seen]: 400,000,000
- [SSjin, moderate heart disease effects]: 325,000,000
- [SSjin, Kamehameha]: 405,000,000
- [SSjin, post-Kamehameha]: 250,000,000
- [SSjin, severe heart disease effects]: 50,000,000
- [Base, extreme heart disease effects, exhausted]: 200,000

Android 19: 220,000,000
- [post-Kamehameha absorption]: 300,000,000

Vegeta vs. Android 19
Vegeta: 10,500,000
- [SSjin]: 420,000,000
- [SSjin, Big Bang Attack]: 475,000,000
- [SSjin, drained]: 335,000,000

Android 19 [post-Kamehameha absorption]: 300,000,000

Future Trunks: 8,500,000
- [SSjin]: 340,000,000

Piccolo [w/weights, suppressed]: 235,000,000
- [full power]: 293,750,000

Gohan: 6,500,000

Tien: 240,000
Krillin: 350,000
Yamcha: 160,000

Android 20 [absorbed Yamcha’s energy]: 225,150,000
- [absorbed Vegeta’s energy]: 235,000,000
- [absorbed Piccolo’s energy]: 240,000,000

Vegeta vs. Android 18
SSjin Vegeta: 420,000,000
- [SSjin, tired]: 350,000,000 [slowly declining]

Android 18 [holding back]: 450,000,000 [steadily increasing]
- [full power]: 510,000,000

Android 17: 520,000,000
Android 16: 625,000,000

Future Trunks: 8,500,000
- [SSjin]: 340,000,000

Piccolo [w/weights, suppressed]: 235,000,000
- [full power]: 293,750,000

Gohan: 6,500,000

Tien: 260,000
Krillin: 350,000
Yamcha: 160,000


“Cell’s Arrival”

Piccolo vs. Imperfect Cell
Piccolo [w/weights, merged with Kami, suppressed]: 470,000,000

Cell [Imperfect, suppressed]: 200,000,000
Cell [Imperfect, full power]: 450,000,000

Piccolo vs. Android 17
Piccolo [w/weights, merged with Kami, suppressed]: 470,000,000
- [w/weights, merged with Kami, powered up]: 500,000,000
- [merged with Kami, full power]: 520,000,000
- [Light Grenade]: 595,000,000
- [drained]: 450,000,000

Android 17: 520,000,000

Android 18: 510,000,000
Android 16: 625,000,000

Piccolo, Android 17, & Android 16 vs. Imperfect Cell
Piccolo [drained]: 450,000,000
Android 17: 520,000,000

Android 16: 625,000,000

Cell [Imperfect, post-human absorption]: 625,000,000
- [Semi-Perfect, suppressed]: 800,000,000

Vegeta vs. Semi-Perfect Cell
Cell [Semi-Perfect, suppressed]: 800,000,000
- [Semi-Perfect, full power]: 1,080,000,000

Vegeta [post-RoSaT]: 30,000,000
- [SSjin]: 900,000,000
- [USSjin]: 1,350,000,000

Vegeta vs. Future Trunks
USSjin Vegeta: 1,350,000,000

Future Trunks [post-RoSaT]: 28,850,000
- [SSjin]: 865,500,000
- [USSjin]: 1,298,250,000

Future Trunks vs. Semi-Perfect Cell
USSjin Future Trunks: 1,298,250,000

Cell [Semi-Perfect]: 1,080,000,000

Android 18: 510,000,000
Android 16: 625,000,000
Krillin: 350,000

Vegeta vs. Perfect Cell
Cell [Perfect, warming up]: 1,650,000,000

USSjin Vegeta: 1,350,000,000
- [USSjin, Final Flash]: 2,000,000,000
- [USSjin, tired]: 975,000,000

Future Trunks vs. Perfect Cell
Cell [Perfect, warming up]: 1,650,000,000
- [engorged muscle mass]: 2,150,000,000

USSjin Future Trunks: 1,298,250,000
- [USSjin Type 2, holding back]: 1,800,000,000
- [USSjin Type 2, full power]: 2,207,025,000

Krillin: 350,000


“The Cell Games”

Goku vs. Cell
Goku [post-RoSaT]: 1,000,000,000
- [FPSSjin, 50% of full power]: 4,000,000,000
- [FPSSjin, full power]: 8,000,000,000
- [FPSSjin, Warp Kamehameha]: 9,600,000,000
- [FPSSjin, drained, post-Warp Kamehameha]: 2,000,000,000

Cell [Perfect, 15% of true power]: 4,500,000,000
- [Perfect, 30% of true power]: 9,000,000,000
- [Perfect, post-Warp Kamehameha]: 2,300,000,000

Gohan vs. Cell
Cell [Perfect, post-Warp Kamehameha]: 2,400,000,000
- [Perfect, 30% of true power]: 9,000,000,000
- [Perfect, full power]: 30,000,000,000
- [buffed up]: 45,000,000,000
- [Super Perfect]: 95,000,000,000
- [Super Perfect, Kamehameha]: 130,000,000,000

Gohan [post-RoSaT]: 1,500,000,000
- [FPSSjin, 50% of full power]: 6,000,000,000
- [FPSSjin, full power]: 12,000,000,000
- [SSjin 2]: 120,000,000,000
- [SSjin 2, injured]: 75,000,000,000
- [SSjin 2, injured, slight effort]: 80,000,000,000
- [SSjin 2, injured, full effort]: 95,000,000,000
- [SSjin 2, injured, Kamehameha, slight effort]: 110,000,000,000
- [SSjin 2, injured, Kamehameha, maximum effort]: 175,000,000,000

Z Fighters vs. Cell Juniors
Cell Juniors: 5,000,000,000

Vegeta [post-2nd RoSaT]: 500,000,000
- [SSjin]: 5,000,000,000

Future Trunks [post-2nd RoSaT]: 485,000,000
- [SSjin]: 4,850,000,000

Piccolo [post-RoSaT, w/weights]: 2,500,000,000
- [full power]: 3,125,000,000

Tien: 280,000
Krillin: 380,000
Yamcha: 175,000
Android 16: 625,000,000

Mr. Satan: 12


“The Last Z Warrior”

Future Trunks vs. Androids 17 & 18
Future Trunks: 485,000,000
- [SSjin]: 4,850,000,000

Android 18: 365,000,000
Android 17: 400,000,000

Future Trunks vs. Cell
Future Trunks [3 years later]: 575,000,000
- [SSjin]: 5,750,000,000

Cell [Imperfect, suppressed]: 300,000,000
- [Imperfect, full power]: 650,000,000


Boo Arc

“The Great Saiyaman”

Gohan: 850,000,000
- [FPSSjin, sparring]: 5,500,000,000
- [FPSSjin]: 6,800,000,000

Goten: 500,000,000
- [FPSSjin]: 5,000,000,000

Chibi Trunks [exhausted]: 400,000,000
- [FPSSjin]: 4,000,000,000

Vegeta: 2,500,000,000
- [FPSSjin, sparring]: 4,300,000,000
- [FPSSjin]: 20,000,000,000

Piccolo [w/weights]: 2,800,000,000
- [full power, not seen]: 3,500,000,000

Krillin: 230,000
Yamcha: 90,000

Android 18: 510,000,000

Videl: 12
Mr. Satan: 10


“25th Tenka’ichi Budokai”

Gohan: 1,200,000,000
- [FPSSjin]: 9,600,000,000
- [SSjin 2]: 96,000,000,000

Goku: 3,800,000,000

Vegeta: 3,000,000,000

Goten: 585,000,000
- [FPSSjin]: 5,850,000,000

Chibi Trunks: 590,000,000
- [FPSSjin]: 5,900,000,000

Mighty Mask: 350,000,000

Piccolo [w/weights]: 3,000,000,000
- [full power, not seen]: 3,750,000,000

Krillin: 250,000
Yamcha: 110,000

Android 18: 510,000,000

Kaioshin: 4,500,000,000
Kibito: 1,750,000,000

Yamu: 35
Spopovich: 45

Videl: 16
Mr. Satan: 12


“Awakening of Majin Boo”

Vegeta vs. Pocus
Pocus: 500,000,000

Vegeta: 3,000,000,000

Goku: 3,800,000,000
Gohan: 1,200,000,000
Kaioshin: 4,500,000,000

Goku vs. Yakon
Yakon: 3,000,000,000

Goku: 3,800,000,000
- [FPSSjin, 50% of full power]: 15,200,000,000
- [FPSSjin, full power]: 30,400,000,000
- [SSjin 2, burst of power]: 150,000,000,000

Vegeta: 3,000,000,000
Gohan: 1,200,000,000
Kaioshin: 4,500,000,000

Gohan vs. Dabra
Dabra: 9,700,000,000

Gohan: 1,200,000,000
- [SSjin]: 9,600,000,000

Goku: 3,800,000,000
Vegeta: 3,000,000,000
Kaioshin: 4,500,000,000

Vegeta vs. Goku
Vegeta: 3,000,000,000
- [FPSSjin]: 24,000,000,000
- [FPSSjin, Majin]: 30,400,000,000
- [SSjin 2, Majin]: 304,000,000,000

Goku: 3,800,000,000
- [FPSSjin]: 30,400,000,000
- [SSjin 2]: 304,000,000,000

Dabra, Gohan & Kaioshin vs. Majin Boo
Gohan: 1,200,000,000
- [FPSSjin]: 9,600,000,000
- [SSjin 2]: 96,000,000,000

Kaioshin: 4,500,000,000

Dabra: 9,700,000,000

Majin Boo: 9,000,000,000
- [angry at Dabra]: 150,000,000,000

Vegeta vs. Majin Boo
SSjin 2 Vegeta [Majin]: 304,000,000,000
- [SSjin 2, Majin, Final Explosion]: 650,000,000,000

Majin Boo [angry at Dabra]: 150,000,000,000
- [angry at Majin Vegeta]: 200,000,000,000
- [Angry Explosion]: 500,000,000,000

Goku vs. Majin Boo
Goku: 3,800,000,000
- [FPSSjin]: 30,400,000,000
- [SSjin 2]: 304,000,000,000
- [SSjin 3, using less effort]: 600,000,000,000

Majin Boo: 500,000,000,000

Gotenks vs. Majin Boo
Goten: 585,000,000
- [FPSSjin]: 5,850,000,000

Chibi Trunks: 590,000,000
- [FPSSjin]: 5,900,000,000

Gotenks: 58,500,000,000
- [FPSSjin]: 585,000,000,000

Piccolo [w/weights]: 3,000,000,000

Majin Boo: 500,000,000,000

Gotenks vs. Shin Boo
Majin Boo [about to split]: 500,000,000,000

Mister Boo: 150,000,000,000
Aku Boo: 350,000,000,000

Shin Boo: 2,250,000,000,000

Goten [post-RoSaT]: 890,000,000
- [FPSSjin]: 8,900,000,000

Chibi Trunks [post-RoSaT]: 895,000,000
- [FPSSjin]: 8,950,000,000

Gotenks [post-RoSaT]: 89,000,000,000
- [FPSSjin]: 890,000,000,000
- [SSjin 3]: 2,225,000,000,000

Piccolo [w/weights]: 3,000,000,000

Gohan vs. Shin Boo
Shin Boo: 2,250,000,000,000
- [Gotenks + Piccolo absorbed]: 4,478,000,000,000

Gohan: 1,200,000,000
- [post-Zeta Sword training]: 10,000,000,000
- [latent powers released]: 3,000,000,000,000

Kaioshin: 4,500,000,000
Kibito: 1,750,000,000
Kibitokai: 339,250,000,000

Goku: 3,800,000,000
- [SSjin 3]: 1,216,000,000,000

Tien: 600,000
- [Shin Kikoho]: 600,000,000

Vegetto vs. Shin Boo
Shin Boo [Piccolo prime]: 2,253,000,000,000
- [Chou Gohan absorbed]: 5,253,000,000,000

Goku: 3,800,000,000
Vegeta: 3,800,000,000

Vegetto: 3,800,000,000,000
- [FPSSjin]: 30,400,000,000,000

Battle with Chibi Boo
Shin Boo [South Kai prime]: 4,000,000,000,000

Chibi Boo: 1,300,000,000,000

Goku: 3,800,000,000
- [FPSSjin]: 304,000,000,000
- [SSjin 3]: 1,216,000,000,000
- [SSjin 3, Kamehameha]: 1,500,000,000,000
- [SSjin 3, post-Kamehameha]: 1,000,000,000,000 [steadily declining]
- [SSjin 3, tiring]: 900,000,000,000 [rapidly declining]
- [Base, Genkai Dama]: 950,000,000,000
- [FPSSjin, Genkai Dama]: 2,500,000,000,000

Vegeta: 3,800,000,000
- [FPSSjin]: 30,400,000,000
- [SSjin 2]: 304,000,000,000

Mister Boo: 150,000,000,000
Mr. Satan: 12

[Xyex]

Gotenks SSJ3 - 4,050,000
Ultimate Gohan - 6,000,000

Vegetto - 1,300,000

Get out.

I always put base Vegetto under them because there's really no way around it without going "The Potara's are magical and do magic things and the power that comes out is magically random cause a wizard did it" and have Vegetto and Kibitoshin make any sort of sense.

[Lucas Abner]

Need opinions

Ex;

SSJ (x???) - power:???
LSSJ (x???) - power:???
USSJ(x???) - power:???
USSJ2(x???) - power:???
SSJ2(2x SSJ) - power:???
Ultimate (Gohan)(x???) - power:???
SSJ3(4 x SSJ2) - power:???

I know that there are no values for some...wanted to know more opinions from you

[Kaboom]

I merged your thread into the Power Levels thread, here. Seemed appropriate, since you were asking for "opinions."

I personally don't subscribe to the SEG's multiplier for Super Saiyan 3. It seems bloated (like on that fake list... Goku goes from 6 billion to 24 billion! Whoa nelly!), and it was a bit ambiguous as to whether it was regarding Battle Power anyway. My preferred multipliers are as such...


Super Saiyan / Full-Power Super Saiyan: 50x battle power -
Good ol' 50x has been the official "standard" for the stage since its first appearance, and supported even in a post-Freeza context by various guidebooks. "Mastering" the stage gave no indication of a higher or lower "multiplier" in the manga, rather only indicating that perfecting the stage allowed for less wasted energy, next to zero extra stress, and using the form to its full potential. I chalk Gohan and Goku's massive power gains up as results of being able to live and train in Super Saiyan 24/7 rather than in short sessions before.

Super Saiyan Grade 2: 75x battle power (1.5x SSj) -
Grade 2 is the result of digging in and accessing power "beyond Super Saiyan," though not to an extreme enough extent that the downsides of such a rough method become prominent. I place it smack dab between regular Super Saiyan and a proper Super Saiyan 2.

Super Saiyan Grade 3: 90x battle power (1.8x SSj) -
Grade 3, on the other hand, is a result of getting "greedy" and trying to tap into as much "beyond SSj" power as possible. The maximum power ultimately attained closely approaches that of SSj2, but falls short.

"Legendary" Super Saiyan: 95x battle power (1.9x SSj) -
Broly's own special version of Super Saiyan Grade 3 (in essence a "Grade 4"). Caused by his constantly-rising Ki, it pushes his body to even more unhealthy extremes than Grade 3, while still not quite measuring up to a full-fledged Super Saiyan 2.

Super Saiyan 2: 100x battle power (2x SSj) -
Double the power of Super Saiyan. The result of going "beyond" Super Saiyan after you've properly mastered and become accustomed to it.

Super Saiyan 3: 200x battle power (2x SSj2, 4x SSj) -
Double-again of Super Saiyan 2. This seems like the perfect increase considering the amount of impact the stage had during its first introduction, compared to its relative uselessness later on. It also works pretty well compared to Super Saiyan 4, too; any higher, and THAT stage's impact would be lessened.

"Ultimate" power up -
No real set amount for this, as it was just the peak of Gohan's current potential. In most lists I make, it usually ends up being some 300x his base battle power, obviously having to far outstrip his otherwise-overall-stronger dad's Super Saiyan 3 state.

Super Saiyan 4: 500x battle power (Super Saiyan [50] x Oozaru [10]) -
This just makes sense. Super Saiyan 4 is a combination of Super Saiyan and Oozaru, so why not? It's a big jump up from Super Saiyan 3, but this makes sense, seeing as how Goku went from being helpless against Baby at SSj3, to having Baby's punches tickle at Super Saiyan 4.

[Xyex]

Posting something in another thread just now made me think of something else that completely invalidates the SEG's SSJ3 multiplier, if you go with the idea that the energy stolen during the early Buu arc is the same energy that powered Buu. See, SSJ2 Gohan's energy put Buu almost half way up, so SSJ2 Gohan is almost half as strong as Buu. SSJ2 Goku is considerably stronger than SSJ2 Gohan, likely well over half of Buu's level. A 4x increase from that would put Goku so far over Buu that Piccolo would have known he could have taken him, instead of believing Goku that he couldn't.

[Nazi Cola]

I might as well post the "Reference" section from my last PL list. I'm most likely going to be changing most of these so whatever.


Cell Arc

Super Saiyan:
- The Future: 50x Base (Future Gohan, Future Trunks)
- Arrival of Trunks: 50x Base (Goku, Future Trunks)
- Battle with the Androids: 40x Base (Goku, Vegeta, Future Trunks)
- Vegeta & Trunks vs. Cell: 30x Base (Vegeta, Future Trunks)
- The Cell Games: 10x Base (Vegeta, Future Trunks)

Ultra Super Saiyan:
- 1.5x SSjin, 45x Base (Vegeta, Future Trunks)

Ultra Super Saiyan Type 2:
- 1.7x USSjin, 2.5x SSjin, 76.5x Base (Future Trunks)

Full-Power Super Saiyan:
- 8x Base (Goku, Gohan)

Super Saiyan 2:
- 10x SSjin, 80x Base (Gohan)


Boo Arc

Full-Power Super Saiyan:
- 8x Base (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Vegetto)
- 10x Base (Goten, Chibi Trunks, Gotenks)

Super Saiyan 2:
- 10x FPSSjin, 80x Base (Vegeta, Goku, Gohan)

Super Saiyan 3:
- 4x SSjin 2, 40x FPSSjin, 320x Base (Goku)
- 2.5x FPSSjin, 25x Base (Gotenks)

Fusion Dance:
- 50x [A suppressed + B x 50] (Gotenks)

Potara Fusion:
- 75x [A + B x 75] (Kibitokai)
- 400x [A + B x 400 x 1.25] (Vegetto)

Shin Boo's transformation: Aku Boo + Mister Boo x 4.5
Shin Boo's absorption: Shin Boo + everyone he has absorbed


End of Dragon Ball

FPSSjin:
- 8x Base (Goku, Vegeta)
- 10x Base (Goten, Trunks)

SSjin 2:
- 10x FPSSjin, 80x Base (Goku, Vegeta)

SSjin 3:
- 3x SSjin 2, 30x FPSSjin, 240x Base (Goku)


Miscellaneous

Piccolo gets a 1.25x increase when taking off his weights.

Ownage Meter
0.00-1.04 = Dead even.
1.05-1.1 = Opponent can hold his own.
1.12-1.15 = Opponent can still turn the tables if they're lucky.
1.16-1.2 = Opponent can still hang in there, but they're basically waiting to die.
1.21-1.25 = Opponent is fucked unless they fire off a great finisher some time.
1.26-1.3 = Opponent can't fight back, it's murder.
1.31-1.4 = No way to fight back at all, not even with a finisher.

[coola]

When i think about PL,i always like to include age/weight of fighters,for example:
Goku: 260
Piccolo Daimaou: 255
Goku is a little stronger,but because Piccolo is a grown-up and much taller than Goku,it look like they fight evenly

[dbgtFO]

When i think about PL,i always like to include age/weight of fighters,for example:
Goku: 260
Piccolo Daimaou: 255
Goku is a little stronger,but because Piccolo is a grown-up and much taller than Goku,it look like they fight evenly

Yeah that could also work with the Jackie Chun vs. Goku fight, because JC believes he has a better chance of winning based on the fact that Goku is so much shorter and can't hit that deep, when compared to Jackie Chun who is fully grown, this tactic ensures his win.

One other thing I look at when characters are almost at the same power levels is experience or if one is in shape, for example a lot of people find it ridiculous that Vegeta at 24.000 was able to own Dodoria(22.000) and dominate Zarbon(23.000) when he was only 1,09 times stronger than Dodoria and 1,04 times stronger than Zarbon, but that can easily be explained with Vegeta being in shape, in my version of the manga he even states to Dodoria: "... And your entire Battle power won't help you, because you're lazy! But I have trained!" implying that even though your Battle power might be high it's no use if you don't train the basics like reflexes, speed and techniques.
One thing to notice about the Vegeta and Dodoria fight is that even though Vegeta was stronger he still had trouble holding Dodorias arms behind his back, because in the manga we see him sweat as he is doing it while a vein of exertion shows up on his forehead, meaning Vegeta used all his power just to hold the pink troll like that.
Also when Vegeta faces Zarbon for the second time, Vegeta(30.000) is only 1,07 times stronger than transformed Zarbon(28.000 in my PL list), and doesn't attack him directly only after weakening the beast with a combination of throwing sand into his eyes, attacking him from behind and then firing thousands of ki blast at him. To me that means Vegeta was afraid of taking Zarbon on directly even though he gained a powerup, which, according to the ones who believe Vegeta was pwning anyone with a PL slightly inferior to his, should be enough alone.

[Lucas Abner]

My multipliers

Super saiyajin(50x)
Super saiyajin(2° grade)(75x)
Super saiyajin(3°grade)(90x)
Super saiyajin mestered(95x) - MSSJ is above the SSJ,despite being a kind of domain...proved to be even better.
Super saiyajin 2(2x super saiyajin mestered) - daizenshuu is 2x the SSJ common,but to appear more difference in power I thought I better do 2x MSSJ in my power levels

Saga trunks

Cyborg Freeza(Zenkai):145,000,000

Trunks(hidden power):5
Trunks power Reality:4,000,000
Trunks super saiyajin(x50):200,000,000

Goku:4,200,000
Goku super saiyajin(x50):210,000,000



Only the power level of those who actually fought, note that Freeza has a Zenkai, and Goku came back stronger than last time...



Saga Android

C19 ( before absorb energy of Goku) :203,000,000 - Goku had a little advantage.
Goku:4,200,000
Goku super saiyajin (x50):210,000,000

C19 (after getting power of Goku): + or - 250,000,000 - He takes advantage against Goku.

Goku super saiyajin(exhausted):185,000,000 - Because of having the disease and with energy absorbed by C19

Vegeta:6,200,000 - His power was higher than of Goku,as shown in the battle.
Vegeta super saiyajin(x50):310,000,000 - kills easily C19

C19 (with a little energy from Vegeta):265,000,000

C18:+ or - 350,000,000 - has a power just above the Vegeta, more has infinite resistance

C17:365,000,000 - is indicated as having more power than that C18

C16: + or - 460,000,000 - according to him, his power was equal to that of cell imperfect.



Note that the C19 it absorbs energy from opponents,thus getting stronger...The Android's C17,C18,C19 and C16 they have infinite resistance...



Cell saga

Cell imperfect:460,000,000 - had power equivalent to that of C16
Cell semi-perfect (against C16):500,000,000

Vegeta:8,000,000 - He trained to overcome the powers of super saiyan...
Vegeta super saiyajin(x50):400,000,000
Vegeta super saiyajin (2° grade)(x75):600,000,000 - transformation that overcomes the super saiyan,the difference of Cell and Vegeta was SSJG2... enough to do what that Vegeta did.

Cell semi-perfect power Maximum + or - 535,000,000

Trunks:7,500,000
Trunks super saiyajin(x50):375,000,000 - appears that he is not as so weaker than his father.
Trunks super saiyajin(2° grade)(x75) - 562,500,000 - a considerable difference , between him and Cell
Trunks super saiyajin(3° grade)(x90) - 675,000,000 - He is stronger than his father, a difference of 75,000,000, second my multiplier...

Perfect Cell(against Trunks) + or - 680,000,000


This saga, he had discovered of levels SSJG 2 and 3...Multipliers used in which users helped me develop ...Thanks!


Cell games

Goku:15,000,000(theory) - trained enough in hiperbolic time chamber...considerably increased their power.

Goku mestered super saiyajin (hidden power):800,000,000
Goku mestered super saiyajin(total power)(x95):1,425,000,000 - this phase,they managed in hiperbolic time chamber,is powerful.

Gohan:15,400,000(theory) - he is stronger than his father,as they say...only in Cell games.
Gohan mestered super saiyajin (hidden power) + or - 833,000,000
Gohan mestered super saiyajin (total power)(x95):1,463,000,000

perfect Cell(against Goku):1,460,000,000
perfect Cell(against Gohan):1,500,000,000

Gohan super saiyajin 2(2x full power super saiyajin)2,962,000,000 - this form, you can see a great difference between their powers.
Gohan super saiyajin 2(kamehameha):3,000,000,000

Perfect Cell (total power):1,700,000,000 - he only uses full power against Gohan super saiyan 2.

super perfect Cell:2,940,000,000 - has a strength similar to that of Gohan.
super perfect Cell(kamehameha full power):3,200,000,000
super perfect Cell(after Vegeta disrupt):3,100,000,000


Gohan super saiyajin 2(injured):2,800,000,000 - was injured,and he lost advantage in combat...
Gohan super saiyajin 2(injured)(kamehameha full power):3,175,000,000
Gohan super saiyajin 2(injured)(kamehameha full power + motivation of Goku):3,185,000,000
Gohan super saiyajin 2(injured)kamehameha power Total):3,200,000,000 - he only won with the help of Vegeta)

[Piccolo Daimao]

By the way, this is in no way intended to be rude or snobbish...but Kaboom, can you justify why you (and maybe some other of you guys who believe this can explain too) believe in the Daizenshuu levels of 150 mil and 120 mil for SSj Goku and 100% Freeza, when Freeza fought evenly with Goku and wasn't even immediately killed when his chi began dropping? Do you think Goku was holding back? If so, why?

[Lucas Abner]

7 years have passed after the Cell games



World turnament saga

Goku: 20,000,000 - he trained a lot in another world.

Vegeta:17,000,000 - trained with the aim to overcome his rival!

Gohan - 13,000,000 - he has not trained in seven years,therefore diminish its powers.
Gohan mestered super saiyajin(x95)(theory):1,235,000,000
Gohan mestered super saiyajin(x95)(angry because of Spopovich):1,265,000,000 - when angry, her powers increase even more.
Gohan super saiyajin 2(2x mestered super saiyajin):2,470,000,000 - Vegeta says he Gohan does not have the same power of cell games.

Goten - 5,000,000
Goten super saiyajin(x50):250,000,000

Trunks - 5,100,000
Trunks super saiyajin(x50):255,000,000

C18:385,000,000 - appears to become stronger.


Majin Boo saga


Dabura (against Gohan):1,255,000,000 - Goku says he has a force similar to the Cell Perfect.

Goku mestered super saiyajin(x95):1,900,000,000 - he trained a lot in another world,he has power that can stop Cell perfect...
Goku super saiyajin 2(2x mestered super saiyajin):3,800,000,000

Majin Vegeta + or - 1,900,000,000
Majin Vegeta super saiyajin 2(2x Majin Vegeta):3,800,001,000 - they have equal abilities,But the ''Majin'' of Vegeta offers more resistance.

Majin Boo(hidden power):2,000,000,000
Majin Boo (against Majin Vegeta super saiyan 2):3,900,000,000


Super Saiya-Jin 3 - the power not to be exaggerated,therefore in my multiplier will only 3x SSJ2.

Goku super saiyajin 3(3x super saiyajin 2):11,400,000,000 - he has more power than the Majin Buu.
Goku super saiyajin 3 (adainst Majin Boo):9,500,000,000

Majin Boo (total power):9,485,000,000 - the problem is regeneration of the monster,this allows it last longer in combat.

Evil Boo:9,600,000,000 - it appears to be up to Fat Buu,but not stronger than fat boo furious.


Fusion Metamuro - the merger will be the sum of the power Maximum of the characters.

Goten:5,100,000

Trunks:5,200,000

Gotenks (before training):10,300,000

Goten(after training):10,000,000

Trunks(after training):11,200,000

Gotenks:21,200,000
Gotenks super saiyajin(x50):10,600,000,000 - If Gotenks was at the level of a super saiyan 2, then when it becomes Gotenks super saiyan, it would be much stronger than Goku super saiyan 3,what is wrong... I did and it worked.
Gotenks super saiyajin 3(x3 super saiyajin 2 = 300x normal stade) - 63,600,000,000 - His strength is slightly below the super boo when furious

Super Boo(against Gotenks super saiyajin 3):63,605,000,000

Ultimate Gohan(against Super Boo):68,000,000,000

Super Boo(furious):64,000,000,000 - he already has the power to end Gotenks at super saiyan 3.

Super Boo(+ Gotenks)(against Ultimate Gohan):68,400,000,000 - absorbing Gotenks, he is stronger than Gohan.

Goku:20,200,000 - with the struggles, he keeps getting stronger.
Goku super saiyajin mestered(x95):1,919,000,000
Goku super saiyajin 2(2x super saiyajin mestered):3,838,000,000
Goku super saiyajin 3(300x normal form):11,514,000,000

Super Boo (Ultimate Gohan + Goten + Trunks + Piccolo):130,000,000,000

Fusion potara - The fusion potara for me is the sum of the power of Goku + Vegeta multiplied by 30.

Goku:20,200,000
Vegeta:19,000,000

Vegeto base:11,760,000,000(theory)(the manga does not see him struggling in the normal way.)
Vegeto super saiyajin (x50):588,000,000,000

Kid Boo(against Goku super saiyajin 2):4,000,000,000

Goku super saiyajin 3(300x) + or -11,514,000,000 - Veget says that if he uses the Maximo, could win Boo

Kid Boo(total power):11,500,000,000 - although the power of Goku is higher, the difference is little...Boo has yet to regenerate ...

[Lucas Abner]

Movies and especials

Movie 7


Goku:4,200,000
Goku super saiyajin(x50):210,000,000
Goku super saiyajin(x50 + Genki dama) - 800,000,000

Vegeta:4,000,000
Vegeta super saiyajin(x50):200,000,000

Trunks:3,900,000
Trunks super saiyajin(x50):195,000,000

Super 13:500,000,000 - he has a big advantage against the's Super Saiyans, he did not move when being attacked,meaning a big difference in power..

Movie 8

Legedary super saiyajin - When he transform, his power is even greater,at the beginning

Goku:13,000,000 - its power is almost the same as the Cell games...
Goku super saiyajin(x50):650,000,000
Goku super saiyajin(with power of Piccolo,Gohan,Trunks and Vegeta):2,400,000,000

Vegeta:12,850,000
Vegeta super saiyajin(x50):642,500,000

Gohan:10,000,000
Gohan super saiyajin(x50):500,000,000

Trunks:12,400,000
Trunks super saiyajin(x50):620,000,000

Piccolo(without heavy clothing):610,000,000

Broly(theory)(without control of Parguas):16,000,000
Broly super saiyajin(x50):800,000,000 - has enough energy to attacks of Vegeta be ineffective.
Broly legendary super saiyajin(shortly after transform):2,500,000,000
Broly legendary super saiyajin (normal) + 2,000,000,000 - increases their power against their will.


Plan to destroy the Saiyans

Goku:13,000,000 - its power is almost the same as the Cell games...
Goku super saiyajin(x50):650,000,000

Vegeta:12,850,000
Vegeta super saiyajin(x50):642,500,000

Gohan:10,000,000
Gohan super saiyajin(x50):500,000,000

Trunks:12,400,000
Trunks super saiyajin(x50):620,000,000

Hatchyack:2,100,000,000 - has a power slightly greater than that of Broly...
Hatchyack Atack:2,700,000,000

Kamehameha of 4 super saiyajins:2,950,000,000

Movie 9


Gohan:15,400,000 - it has the same power that the cell games
Gohan mestered super saiyajin (total power)(x95):1,463,000,000
Gohan super saiyajin 2(2x full power super saiyajin) :2,962,000,000

Trunks:10,000,000
Trunks super saiyajin(x50):500,000,000

Vegeta:8,000,000 - Trunks says that he lost his fighting spirit
Vegeta super saiyajin(x50):400,000,000

Goku:17,000,000 - probably trained in another world.

Bojack full power - 1,500,000,000 - he is just over Gohan,why he only attacked with the help of his gang...


movie 10

Gohan super saiyajin 2[???](x2 super saiyajin mestered):2,470,000,000
Gohan super saiyajin mestered(x95):1,235,000,000 - kamehameha:1,600,000,000
Kamehameha combined with Goten super saiyajin:2,000,000,000
Goku:20,000,000 - he appeared stronger, trained in another world...
Goku super saiyajin mestered(x95):1,900,000,000 - kamehameha combined with Goten and Gohan super saiyajins:4,100,000,000
Omega blast:4,400,000,000
Kamehameha full power:5,000,000,000

Broly legendary super saiyajin(shortly after transform):4,600,000,000 - Soon after the transformation, Broly not is minimally affected
Broly legendary super saiyajin(zenkai):4,200,000,000 - when the golden aura disappears, he begins to be affected.


The movie 11 is ridiculous...


movie 12

Goku:24,000,000
Goku super saiyajin mestered(95x):2,280,000,000
Goku super saiyajin 2(2x super saiyajin mestered):4,560,000,000
Goku super saiyajin 3(3x super saiyajin 2):13,680,000,000

Vegeta:23,000,000
Vegeta super saiyajin(x50):1,150,000,000
Vegeta super saiyajin 2(x3 super saiyajin normal):3,450,000,000

Gogeta super saiyajin:20,000,000,000

Janemba ultmate:14,000,000,000

[Kaboom]

By the way, this is in no way intended to be rude or snobbish...but Kaboom, can you justify why you (and maybe some other of you guys who believe this can explain too) believe in the Daizenshuu levels of 150 mil and 120 mil for SSj Goku and 100% Freeza, when Freeza fought evenly with Goku and wasn't even immediately killed when his chi began dropping? Do you think Goku was holding back? If so, why?

Because with the right conditions, 120 million is close enough to put up a good fight against 150 million, despite the later being superior. I wouldn't put Freeza any lower than that, though. If they said he was only like 90 million or something, I wouldn't buy it.

But also, Goku did express a desire to fight Freeza at his best. I believe Goku really could have flat-out destroyed Freeza at several points if he wanted to, but pulled his punches to an extent so he could get the good fight he wanted.