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Re: Strange questions about DB

Post by Keamy » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:17 pm

Suupaa Gohan 2 wrote:
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I'm not sure about Vegeta himself fitting into that equation, though, being an extremely proud prince - not exactly his style to have gone about raping alien peasant women. He was always focused on power, so I can see sex being an afterthought, especially when you couple the royalty holier-than-thou attitude with it.
I could see that too.
To me he'd probably see that as 'defiling' to even interact with a woman since they are considered weaker/inferior to man (and I'm ftm too so don't think I'm trying to be sexist with that statement either).
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Re: Strange questions about DB

Post by Coola Yagami » Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:25 pm

Gozar wrote:I personally strongly believe Vegeta, Nappa, and Raditz would rape the women of the planets they conquered. My fiancee hates it when I say that though because she's a huge Vegeta fan and doesn't want to envision him in that way. But I just say, "So murdering millions of people in cold blood and enjoying it is ok, but rape isn't?"

She says rape is a more sensitive subject to women and she hates to see her favorite character like that. But still, I can't help but envision just about everyone in Freeza's corps (Including Freeza himself) to rape and use forms of sexual torture.
Your fiancee shouldn't feel bad. Knowing the Saiyans to either clear out the planet or just plain blow it up, those raped women wouldn't live long enough to suffer.....

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Re: Strange questions about DB

Post by Coola Yagami » Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:31 pm

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Suupaa Gohan 2 wrote:I disagree. I can see it either way. I can't recall enough of DB to know if I'm remembering wrong or not, but I thought I recalled some hints that after Yamcha got over his girl-phobia, he became a bit of a ladie's man, and I know at the beginning of the Z portion of the series when asked what happened to Yamcha, Bulma seems to imply he ran off cheating on her, and that's why they broke up again.
Nope. It never really happened like that. You're letting things like the dub and the Dragon Book info confuse you a bit. The only time we ever get a hint of why Bulma and Yamucha are fighting, it's Bulma's mother who explains that the fact that Yamucha is handsome has made him popular with girls, and Bulma is just too possessive and jealous to handle that. True, Bulma's mother is an idiot through and through, but when your own mother won't take your side in a relationship argument, you know something is wrong. And of course that's entirely consistent with her character. And that line from the beginning of the Z portion is dub-only. Bulma makes no indication what their argument is about there. She basically says, "Yamucha, that jerk? I'm so angry at him I didn't even tell him we were getting together. We're all better off without him."

We are never given any scenes that show Yamucha acting at all lecherous or even flirtatious around any women (unless you count his fake seduction of Chichi back in volume 2). Meanwhile, we see Bulma, during her relationship with Yamucha, fawning over and groping every hot man she comes into contact with, including General Blue and Zarbon, the latter of whom is standing in her way while she's on a quest to bring Yamucha back to life.

At best, Bulma's inclination towards jealousy led her to believe that Yamucha cheated on her, when it was more likely that a hot girl was pressing her boobs in his face while he passed out from fear. At worst, she's just a bitch who had to villify her ex to her son in order to make her look a little less slutty by comparison.
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Re: Strange questions about DB

Post by Keamy » Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:53 pm

Gozar wrote:I personally strongly believe Vegeta, Nappa, and Raditz would rape the women of the planets they conquered. My fiancee hates it when I say that though because she's a huge Vegeta fan and doesn't want to envision him in that way. But I just say, "So murdering millions of people in cold blood and enjoying it is ok, but rape isn't?"

She says rape is a more sensitive subject to women and she hates to see her favorite character like that. But still, I can't help but envision just about everyone in Freeza's corps (Including Freeza himself) to rape and use forms of sexual torture.

Totally passed over/missed this comment.
I still can't see Vegeta doing that...but lol you may be right with the Nappa and Raditz part.
They could even be like that one fat ass with the green mohawk on Trigun (anime) and joke around with the whole ...god I can't remember the exact words, but something about "Pleasure before death or Death without pleasure".

"So murdering millions of people in cold blood and enjoying it is ok, but rape isn't?"
as for that^
I think I'd rather just be killed straight up rather than be raped AND killed.
Knowing your gonna die is bad enough, but being sexually tortured/harassed seems like the worse...for both men and women : |

lol now I wonder if female Saiyans would be just as beastly on that topic...playing the whole 'seductress' thing while killing their victims.
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Re: Strange questions about DB

Post by Coola Yagami » Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:15 am

Death by Saiyan Female Snoo-Snoo. I wonder how many people Seripa killed that way. XD

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Re: Strange questions about DB

Post by Kid Buu » Sat Sep 18, 2010 3:37 am

Bulma told Vegeta that having sex is the secret to becoming a Super Saiyan and Vegeta believed her...that's my theory.
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Re: Strange questions about DB

Post by Perfect » Sat Sep 18, 2010 4:29 am

There was a picture of three Saiyans with one being female. She had a knife in her mouth or something. For me that always screamed, "I seduce men, rape them, kill them, or just kill them. Rawr".
I guess the whole rape ordeal is really based of speculation. So whether or not you want to say it's involved in the series is purely based off your perspective and what you interpret things as, like the large majority of things in the series.
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Re: Strange questions about DB

Post by Eire » Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:16 am

For those focused on rape: how many females form all those races would be technically compatible for sex from their point of view? I mean hardware, not software. In Frieza's army we don't see many characters who looked like the humans. Lots of them could look just like animals for Sayians, and even in they found someone's face interesting under someone's panties there would find something that wouldn't be expected in worst nightmares.
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Re: Strange questions about DB

Post by Senzu_Bean » Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:09 am

Knowing Dragonball pretty much every species but Namekians can probably have sex with each other.

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Re: Strange questions about DB

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:12 am

Eire wrote:For those focused on rape: how many females form all those races would be technically compatible for sex from their point of view? I mean hardware, not software. In Freeza's army we don't see many characters who looked like the humans. Lots of them could look just like animals for Sayians, and even in they found someone's face interesting under someone's panties there would find something that wouldn't be expected in worst nightmares.
Yeah. I mean, how many races do we know that would actually be compatible with the Saiyans, like the humans are? Vegeta could be a virgin. I mean, his planet (along with all the Saiyans but 3) were destroyed when he was 5. Maybe there were more races in the universe that were like humans, but we don't know.
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Suupaa Gohan 2 wrote:I disagree. I can see it either way. I can't recall enough of DB to know if I'm remembering wrong or not, but I thought I recalled some hints that after Yamcha got over his girl-phobia, he became a bit of a ladie's man, and I know at the beginning of the Z portion of the series when asked what happened to Yamcha, Bulma seems to imply he ran off cheating on her, and that's why they broke up again.
Nope. It never really happened like that. You're letting things like the dub and the Dragon Book info confuse you a bit. The only time we ever get a hint of why Bulma and Yamucha are fighting, it's Bulma's mother who explains that the fact that Yamucha is handsome has made him popular with girls, and Bulma is just too possessive and jealous to handle that. True, Bulma's mother is an idiot through and through, but when your own mother won't take your side in a relationship argument, you know something is wrong. And of course that's entirely consistent with her character. And that line from the beginning of the Z portion is dub-only. Bulma makes no indication what their argument is about there. She basically says, "Yamucha, that jerk? I'm so angry at him I didn't even tell him we were getting together. We're all better off without him."

We are never given any scenes that show Yamucha acting at all lecherous or even flirtatious around any women (unless you count his fake seduction of Chichi back in volume 2). Meanwhile, we see Bulma, during her relationship with Yamucha, fawning over and groping every hot man she comes into contact with, including General Blue and Zarbon, the latter of whom is standing in her way while she's on a quest to bring Yamucha back to life.

At best, Bulma's inclination towards jealousy led her to believe that Yamucha cheated on her, when it was more likely that a hot girl was pressing her boobs in his face while he passed out from fear. At worst, she's just a bitch who had to villify her ex to her son in order to make her look a little less slutty by comparison.
This exactly. Yamcha had to put up with all of Bulma's flirting, until she finally bedded a murderous Saiyan who obviously wouldn't attract any female attention (well, other than, maybe, Mrs. Brief). And at the end of it, he's still got no-one. Well, not no-one. I like to think that Yamcha had a secret affair with the equally lonely Chi-Chi in those 7 years while Goku was fucking around in Heaven.
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Re: Strange questions about DB

Post by Darkbloom » Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:27 am

Maybe(re: definitely) I'm overanalysing a fictional character in a Japanese comic book meant for 8 year olds, but I like to subscribe to (my) theory that Bulma has a case of hybristophilia that goes untreated and thus gets more and more severe as she gets older. Is she ever attracted any man(apart from Goku) who was not a villain at one point?

She starts off small, getting infatuated with a handsome pedophile, only to be let down when it turns out he is just an ugly pig. She spends the next few hours inwardly crying over the heartbreak, but then she spots a handsome young man… robbing her and trying to kill a small child. Her heart is aflutter! All her life, she has been sheltered from crime by her rich parents, never has she seen such an unabashed display of evil!

She and Yamcha start a relationship, mainly out of convenience. Bulma is thrilled. She imagines that he is a passionate lovemaker, who puts as much energy into sex as he does into... being a desert bandit. Her fetish doesn’t stop here though. Everytime she sees a handsome man performing a heinous crime, her heart goes wild! Amongst others, she becomes briefly infatuated with a gay general of an evil army, and a green underling of a galactic Hitler.

One night she takes a good look at Yamcha. The past few years had been so boring. Gone was that desert bandit she had once fallen in love with. He was such a pacifist now. Only fighting to save the world. She couldn’t bear it! Deep inside her, she urged to feel the pangs of love she only felt making love to a mass-murderer, like that sexy midget, Vegeta. Yamcha was good in bed, but he was no actor. She couldn’t let herself go on with it. She needed to break up with him, AND FAST!

But she couldn’t just break up with him, just like that! She may be a bitch, but she still had a heart! Yamcha was a nice man. That was the problem. No. She needed a good reason.
The next night she and Yamcha went to the movies. While Yamcha was purchasing refreshments in the lobby, Bulma excused herself to lavatory. This was the night that she needed to break up with Yamcha. But how?
She exited the toilets and saw Yamcha speaking to some girls. She quickly hid behind a cardboard cutout advertising the latest Tom Cruise movie. So they were fans of his baseball career huh? This was the perfect excuse to rid herself of Yamcha. She jumps out from the cardboard and accuses him of cheating on her. Yamcha looks shocked! These girls had only been asking for his autograph. He tried to explain this to Bulma, but she take any of it. She storms out of the theatre in anger and rounds a corner! She mentally congratulates herself on her fantastic acting skill and heads to the nearest bar to celebrate her victory, perhaps with a quick stop off at the prison.

The next day she was walking through the corridors of her expansive house, quite pleased with herself, and noticed Vegeta taking a break from training. She asks him if he had ever experienced the touch of a woman. And everything gets bit X-rated from here onwards.

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Post by TripleRach » Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:12 pm

Darkbloom wrote:Is she ever attracted any man(apart from Goku) who was not a villain at one point?
She was momentarily interested in Jackie Chun the first time she heard his name, though she quickly changed her mind when it turned out the man with that name was a geezer. Although, he could almost count as a villain from her perspective, since that was when he was about to face Yamcha. And while Oolong and Puer cheered for Yamcha, she instead chose to fantasize about his opponent based on only a name.
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Re: Strange questions about DB

Post by Gozar » Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:07 pm

Keamy wrote:"So murdering millions of people in cold blood and enjoying it is ok, but rape isn't?"
as for that^
I think I'd rather just be killed straight up rather than be raped AND killed.
Knowing your gonna die is bad enough, but being sexually tortured/harassed seems like the worse...for both men and women : |

lol now I wonder if female Saiyans would be just as beastly on that topic...playing the whole 'seductress' thing while killing their victims.
I see your point. I mean, I can see why people wouldn't want to think about these things. But still, to me, it's all pretty damn evil. I wouldn't put anything past Freeza's corps.

As for the female Saiya-jin. I can see them being rapists too. The entire race grew to enjoy what they did after being enslaved by Freeza. Evil is evil, it knows no bounds of gender.

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Re: Strange questions about DB

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:17 am

Gozar wrote:
Keamy wrote:"So murdering millions of people in cold blood and enjoying it is ok, but rape isn't?"
as for that^
I think I'd rather just be killed straight up rather than be raped AND killed.
Knowing your gonna die is bad enough, but being sexually tortured/harassed seems like the worse...for both men and women : |

lol now I wonder if female Saiyans would be just as beastly on that topic...playing the whole 'seductress' thing while killing their victims.
I see your point. I mean, I can see why people wouldn't want to think about these things. But still, to me, it's all pretty damn evil. I wouldn't put anything past Freeza's corps.

As for the female Saiya-jin. I can see them being rapists too. The entire race grew to enjoy what they did after being enslaved by Freeza. Evil is evil, it knows no bounds of gender.
Like I said, how many races do we know of that would be compatible with the Saiyans, like the humans? I doubt that Saiyans would be rapists since I think it was pure luck that there was a planet that had a species who were so similar to Saiyans.
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Re: Strange questions about DB

Post by TheGreatness25 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:33 am

If you all watched Maury, you'd know exactly how it happened! Sheesh, they did the paternity testing like 20 years ago on that show and they're reoccurring guests. OBVIOUSLY.

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