Ocean Studios' "Dragon Ball Kai" Dub Turns 16; Still Unreleased

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Post by RazorX » Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:08 pm

One significant character Ocean will have to cast from scratch, due to them not having dubbed that character before, is Bardock. Wonder how they'll handle Goku's father.
TheBlackPaladin wrote:Ya know what, now that you mention it, I do remember reading something like that. I remember do remember Sean asking something along the lines of (not a word-for-word quote), "I'm curious as to how you know that, though. That's something that's strictly supposed to be internal FUNimation info at this point."

Which is interesting...it suggests that FUNimation is cooperating with Ocean to a certain extent.
I doubt it was supposed to be internal Funimation info. Sean may have expressed surprise due to the Ocean dub not being made public at that point.

Funi and Ocean are collaborating on the video footage, as they were with the DBZ dub. That may be where the collaboration ends (unless they are also collaborating on the script like last time.) Because Funi are using Ocean Productions to edit their TV footage, they are liaising with Ocean, that may be how Funi knew Ocean are doing their own dub, and somehow that info got passed over to Sean.
bkev wrote:Considering Ocean is handling the TV edits themselves, perhaps FUNimation is working on this dub as well somehow. It also makes me think that the Nicktoons cut is made for Canadian TV and not necessarily Nicktoons, as the TV cut for the Ocean dub was a little stricter than the Cartoon Network FUNi one. At least, dialog wise ("die, Cell!" compared to "fry, Cell!").
The TV version of the Ocean dub freely used death, die etc in the Buu saga. The Nicktoons version is stricter on that aspect. Also Nicktoons' version censor/edits things which were present in the Saban/Ocean version.

Hopefully the Ocean dub will be broadcast on Cartoon Network in the United Kingdom. If Blue Water's Dragon Ball Piccolo Jr saga is a factor to consider, they could get away with airing the Kai dub uncut. Even if they don't, it should be less edited than the Nicktoons version.

There is no reason why Funi would be the company behind this dub. During discussions with fans concerning the dubs of DBZ, it appeared to me that some Funi fans were so desperate for Funi to have been involved with the later Ocean dub of DBZ, they were clutching at straws and willing to set aside logic just so in their minds they could (incorrectly) associate Funi with the Ocean dub.

Personally, I would want Ocean to be complete separate from Funi, the Blue Water dubs were and they turned out really well. In terms of accuracy, Blue Water's dubs blew Funimation's dubs out of the water.

But for Kai, I wouldn't mind if Ocean's dub had a similar script to Funi's Kai dub, as long as they improve it. (Remove the small amount of "Americanisms" in the script, such as "hear me out" etc.) Having said that, I'd prefer it if Ocean wrote an accurate script from scratch for DB Kai.

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Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:08 pm

RazorX wrote: The TV version of the Ocean dub freely used death, die etc in the Buu saga.
Are you saying that the Ocean dub only started using those words in the Boo arc? FUNimation were using them from Season 3.

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Post by penguintruth » Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:30 pm

Well, the second Ocean dub didn't start until the Androids arc, right? I don't think Ocean ever dubbed Goku's fight with Freeza or anything from around that point.
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Post by RazorX » Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:20 pm

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:
RazorX wrote: The TV version of the Ocean dub freely used death, die etc in the Buu saga.
Are you saying that the Ocean dub only started using those words in the Boo arc? FUNimation were using them from Season 3.
Ocean did use those words before but they used them more often in the Buu saga, which is why I put the word "freely" in my sentence.
penguintruth wrote:Well, the second Ocean dub didn't start until the Androids arc, right?
The first AB/Westwood/Ocean dub episode broadcast was episode 108-Goku's Special Technique. The reason for starting at this point may be because Cartoon Network UK had purchased the Funi dub up to episode 107-Mystery Revealed, which was the second point at which new episodes stopped. So there were reruns of the previous episodes for a while until new episodes started with the Ocean dub episode 108 onwards.

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Post by Taku128 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:40 pm

So where did this come from then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KtgQGdT6RA
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Post by JulieYBM » Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:44 pm

Taku128 wrote:So where did this come from then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KtgQGdT6RA
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Post by Super Sayian Prime » Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:17 pm

penguintruth wrote:Karl Weilems would be ideal, yeah. Between the first three DBZ movies and Death Note, he's proved to be excellent as a voice director. I just hope they avoid assigning James Corrigall to it. His Black Lagoon dub was excellent, but his Zeta Gundam and Gundam 00 dubs were horrific tragedies.
From what I've heard Black Lagoon was a fun show to dub. From what I've heard, Gundam isn't a fun franchise to dub (overly dull scripts that Japan doesn't like meddling with, odd terminology, etc.).
bkev wrote:Considering Ocean is handling the TV edits themselves, perhaps FUNimation is working on this dub as well somehow. It also makes me think that the Nicktoons cut is made for Canadian TV and not necessarily Nicktoons, as the TV cut for the Ocean dub was a little stricter than the Cartoon Network FUNi one. At least, dialog wise ("die, Cell!" compared to "fry, Cell!").
Unless the show was picked up by a very scared channel or someone planning on airing it at 8AM, I doubt anything in Kai would actually need to be edited to air on Canadian TV (the reason for the edits are because this dub likely won't be Canada-exclusive). We have much more lax broadcast standards than the US. The edited version of Naruto for example (we only got the edited version of the show, because apparently that's the only one Viz was offering) was edited further for US broadcast on Cartoon Network (just blood, and some weapons, the UK TV version went even further in that regard), but those further edits were no where to be seen in the Canadian YTV broadcast.
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Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:22 pm

RazorX wrote: Ocean did use those words before but they used them more often in the Buu saga, which is why I put the word "freely" in my sentence.
Oh. Because you used the word "freely", impling they had some sort of constraints on using it before the Boo arc.
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Post by JulieYBM » Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:34 pm

I seem to recall Trunks' "Die, Cell!" becoming "Fry, Cell!" in the Ocean dub of episode #194 so I'd call that a restriction.
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Post by linkdude20002001 » Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:32 am

Typo?? "Fry, Cell" sounds pretty strange... Lol.
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Post by TheGreatness25 » Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:02 pm

Man I wish they released the Ocean dub of DBZ (I'm not talking about the "Saiyan Conflict" and "Namek Saga," which I already own). I mean every bit of footage I see is terrible (terrible pacing, horrible music, some voice actors are trash), but I do have this sentimental feel towards some of the voices such as Kuririn's, Goku's during the Android Saga, Vegeta's, Piccolo's (who is much better than FUNimation's!). Ah good old days. Anyway if Ocean does make Kai, I really hope that it won't be as bad as their Z dub. That would make the entire thing pointless. I mean changing the music and whatnot. Though for some reason, I kind of wouldn't mind that. You have the perfect version of Kai available (Japanese version), you have the decently well-done dub (FUNimation), and then it would be nice to have a complete alternative (if Ocean Studios made it all... 1996ish with the replaced music and dialog changes). It would kind of bring a fresh perspective to the show lol

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Post by RazorX » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:25 pm

Cell called Trunks a bastard in the Ocean dub of Dragon Ball Z, I remember that. It was broadcast on TV as well.

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Post by TestDemo » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:22 pm

tvfan721 wrote:The word "bastard" was actually used once in the Ocean dub. When Trunks returned to the future and fought Cell, Cell actually mutters the word.
Proof? I just re-watched the episode and while I can understand why it would be heard as bastard in all probability Cell said "blast it" too fast. I don't see the Ocean dub using profanity at all, especially since this would have been broadcast in the UK and so edited to conform to the then ITC's standards.

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Post by RazorX » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:58 pm

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tvfan721 wrote:The word "bastard" was actually used once in the Ocean dub. When Trunks returned to the future and fought Cell, Cell actually mutters the word.
Proof? I just re-watched the episode and while I can understand why it would be heard as bastard in all probability Cell said "blast it" too fast. I don't see the Ocean dub using profanity at all, especially since this would have been broadcast in the UK and so edited to conform to the then ITC's standards.
Cell said bastard.

I listened to it multiple times to make sure back when I first discovered it. It was also the subject of discussion on ukdb.net who had uploaded the clip to their site.

I don't know if the standards would've been as strict on Cartoon Network/CNX/Toonami, which were in a paid subscription package. Toonami got away with a lot of blood/blood spurts in the Piccolo Jr tournament saga, far exceeding the level of previous battles. Of course credit goes to Blue Water Studios as well but if Toonami didn't mind the lack of censorship in that fight (there's examples prior to that and in GT as well) then DBZ was more edited than it needed to be.

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Post by Super Sayian Prime » Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:14 am

In the September 22 episode of Voiceprint (at the 1:02:50 mark), Trevor Devall is asked which company is dubbing Kai alongside Ocean. He has a conversation with guest Chiara Zanni as the following:

TD: "Do you happen to know if DragonBall has come back for sure?"

CZ: "No idea."

TD: "See I haven't heard that it's happening yet. We did a bunch of auditions for stuff, but I haven't heard a thing about it so I can't help you Craig, I don't know. If I get on the show in some capacity maybe I'll let you know, but knowing how secretive Ocean is about stuff, I'd be surprised if they'd allow anyone to talk about it."
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Post by JulieYBM » Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:52 pm

And the saga continues, it seems.

We probably won't find out about it until it airs in New Zealand or something. :p
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Post by linkdude20002001 » Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:13 pm

But didn't New Zealand get FUNi's dub...?
Super Saiyan Prime wrote:In the September 22 episode of Voiceprint (at the 1:02:50 mark), Trevor Devall is asked which company is dubbing Kai alongside Ocean. He has a conversation with guest Chiara Zanni as the following:

TD: "Do you happen to know if DragonBall has come back for sure?"

CZ: "No idea."

TD: "See I haven't heard that it's happening yet. We did a bunch of auditions for stuff, but I haven't heard a thing about it so I can't help you Craig, I don't know. If I get on the show in some capacity maybe I'll let you know, but knowing how secretive Ocean is about stuff, I'd be surprised if they'd allow anyone to talk about it."
Woo! He answered my question! XD
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Post by Zep » Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:03 pm

One rather strange Ocean dub thing (I assume they're Ocean dub only, at least the second one; please let me know if I'm incorrect) I noticed was that Cell used two odd attacks names, different from the usual dub standard. The first was when he duplicated Freeza's remote control disc things when he fought Goku in the Cell Games, which he called "Kienzan Discs". I'm not sure if the attack has an actual name, but I find it odd that they would use the actual name (minus the discs part) of what they've called the "Destructo Disc" for so long as the name of another, somewhat similar attack.

The other is when he uses the Makankosappo against Gohan when he first goes SSJ 2. He refers to it as "Special Beam of Terror" as opposed to the expected "Special Beam Cannon"...

...Yeah, this doesn't have much to do with them dubbing Kai, but I thought I'd ask it here anyway.
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Post by Choice195 » Sat Sep 25, 2010 10:12 pm

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