Is this how Kai should have looked?

[The Time Traveller]

What did you do to edit that image like that?

I used Photoshop, extended the frame to make it widescreen, and with Photoshop CS5's... I don't remember the name, but it draws new parts onto the image by detecting and sampling other parts of the image, those clouds on the edges were drawn by the program after I scribbled blue and white on the two blank sides so it knew what would go there.

Though when I first tried it, it stuck and extra Goku on the left side...

The sharpening was done by an add-on called Topaz Vivacity.

[Soul]

In reality? Yeah I really wish the should've been properly reanimated in the style of Dragon Soul/PtEtSS.
But it just wasn't meant to be, and in the end? Especially now seeing the Dragon Box footage properly?
Kai does look lazy.

[Rod]

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This is what I was hoping for, widescreen, not cropped, clear picture.

I think we were all expecting this At first I was expecting brand new animation, that way 16:9 would be its intended ratio from the very beginning, then I was expecting the above, and then, well you all know what we got

[Daimo-Rukiri]

I'm sure we haven't seen the last of new dragon ball animation.
It would be cool if they re-animated the original Dragon Ball.

[Goku100xKamehameha]

I'd really like it to look like that actually. I understand opposing arguments, but my thing is that I've seen it drawn like that before. I notice that the scenes they reanimate mimmick the exact same image and nothing really gets "corrected." I mean let's take a look at this, as borrowed from another Thread in the Kai Forums, which I credit Hujio for:



Why even reanimate this? It looks just as crappy as the original. Raditz' face could have been touched up. His ears could have been edited. But they kept everything pretty much the same

I think the reason why they didn't touched up the art style is because they want to be consistent with the art style. It would look even more weirder than now if the reanimated scenes look alike the OP.

[The Time Traveller]

Why even reanimate this? It looks just as crappy as the original. Raditz' face could have been touched up. His ears could have been edited. But they kept everything pretty much the same

That's the problem, it IS the same, it looks all right when it's old, grainy cell animation, when it's traced digital animation it looks like shit.

[Raven]

Why even reanimate this? It looks just as crappy as the original. Raditz' face could have been touched up. His ears could have been edited. But they kept everything pretty much the same

That's the problem, it IS the same, it looks all right when it's old, grainy cell animation, when it's traced digital animation it looks like shit.

Exactly, I really don't get the point of re-animating shots like this when they turn out to look much worse. It looks much cheaper, although it's essentially the same picture. They kind of screwed the skin colors up aswell, and Z's shading looks way better..

[Xyex]

Kai really should have gotten the Brotherhood treatment. Remade, completely, from the ground up. Even if it was just the same kind of art used on the Avocado special.

[TheGreatness25]

I mean there are certain points of the show that looks amazing reanimated. Like Vegeta's fight with Gohan. I expect the series to progress in the reanimation as it progresses because of the better looking animation in the first place. I haven't seen Japanese Kai so I wouldn't know, but it has to look better with the later Freeza and Artificial Human arc animation.

[Attitudefan]

Yeah, this has come up before, but it's been a while.

Meh. As generally apathetic as I am about Kai, I think, for the purpose of what they're doing, they're going about it the right way. I certainly would not have wanted it to be redrawn like that. First off, I'm not a fan of that art style in the first place. As high as the production values in Dragon Soul are, I think the characters look pretty hideous. But even if I did like it, that part of the story has no business looking like that. I agree with whoever said that if it was redrawn, it should be redrawn in the same style as the manga at that time.

YES!!!
The original drawings are almost exact to the manga. The new drawings have no association and look hideous. Why people prefer and copy it is beyond me.

[Ketchup_Revenge]

I can't even notice a difference between most of the shots anyway. Most of the "re-animated" scenes look just as crappy as the scenes in the original animation, and 98% of the time, don't look any different from the original animation at all.

I just wish that they would've actually re-animated it to look more like the manga series, and not just minor (and hardly noticeable) touch-ups to some of the shit shots in the original Z anime. Most of the original animation is simply tracings from the manga, but was done hastily. The animation in Kai is just as inconsistent as the original anime because it's basically no different. You might as well just save money and simply re-edit the series's original shots, because that's all it looks like for most of the time anyway.

[AoiKageNoChikara]

I can't even notice a difference between most of the shots anyway. Most of the "re-animated" scenes look just as crappy as the scenes in the original animation, and 98% of the time, don't look any different from the original animation at all.

I just wish that they would've actually re-animated it to look more like the manga series, and not just minor (and hardly noticeable) touch-ups to some of the shit shots in the original Z anime. Most of the original animation is simply tracings from the manga, but was done hastily. The animation in Kai is just as inconsistent as the original anime because it's basically no different. You might as well just save money and simply re-edit the series's original shots, because that's all it looks like for most of the time anyway.

Well, Last time I enhanced the colour of one of my dragon ball vids I just oversaturated it, And it didn't look as smooth as it is in Kai, From What I've read, Every frame in Kai is beign digitally retraced for the remastering, I don't think any colour enhancer could do a work that detailed.

You don't noticed any diference? Well Colour-wise and quality-wise I do see the diference, but of course the drawings are not being made over again, it's just reanimated not redrawn, there's quite a diference in the meaning of those words,

And on top of That, Kai's made to be in blu ray quality, We can't really make a great review on it or say the quality sucks by using an .avi or anything like that, I believe you can only watch decently a blu ray, with an HD TV and the right player, I don't have an HD TV and my ps3 games SUCK in graphics if I compared when I tested them in a cousin's HD TV.

As for the money, I got no problems buying Dragon ball Kai and Z, I got the money, I like Kai better than Z and it's the same anime with no trash, Sounds like a deal to me xD.

[Sun-Wukong]

As for the money, I got no problems buying Dragon ball Kai and Z, I got the money, I like Kai better than Z and it's the same anime with no trash, Sounds like a deal to me xD.

I would argue that in the process of getting rid of trash, they also took away things that were good like the Saiyans in the pendulum room and Mr. Robot. Ah man, now I'm all sad...

That's not really the topic at hand though. I think they should have done Kai like FMA: Brotherhood, but that was a pipe dream. The way it is now is perfectly fine give or take some problems, the main bother is that it's so unnecessary.

Of course, we're getting a new dub out of it that's much better than the old one, but I'm getting off topic again.

[CODii]

Reanimating the entire series would have cost WAAAAY too much money.
As for the style of the scenes they did choose to reanimate, they couldn't redo the art style. The reanimated scenes stick out from the rest of the footage too much as it is. If they were to reanimate a few scenes here and there in an entirely different style than the original footage it would have looked absolutely ridiculous.

[Mewzard]

Reanimating the entire series would have cost WAAAAY too much money.
As for the style of the scenes they did choose to reanimate, they couldn't redo the art style. The reanimated scenes stick out from the rest of the footage too much as it is. If they were to reanimate a few scenes here and there in an entirely different style than the original footage it would have looked absolutely ridiculous.

FMA: Brotherhood is a complete reanimation that is more accurate to the manga. No reason Toei couldn't do the same for DB, besides the fact that they've ALWAYS been cheap bastards. Inconsistent quality was always a problem with them.

[Big Momma]

Reanimating the entire series would have cost WAAAAY too much money.
As for the style of the scenes they did choose to reanimate, they couldn't redo the art style. The reanimated scenes stick out from the rest of the footage too much as it is. If they were to reanimate a few scenes here and there in an entirely different style than the original footage it would have looked absolutely ridiculous.

FMA: Brotherhood is a complete reanimation that is more accurate to the manga. No reason Toei couldn't do the same for DB, besides the fact that they've ALWAYS been cheap bastards. Inconsistent quality was always a problem with them.

FMAB is/was also about half of the length Kai will be.

[Mewzard]

Reanimating the entire series would have cost WAAAAY too much money.
As for the style of the scenes they did choose to reanimate, they couldn't redo the art style. The reanimated scenes stick out from the rest of the footage too much as it is. If they were to reanimate a few scenes here and there in an entirely different style than the original footage it would have looked absolutely ridiculous.

FMA: Brotherhood is a complete reanimation that is more accurate to the manga. No reason Toei couldn't do the same for DB, besides the fact that they've ALWAYS been cheap bastards. Inconsistent quality was always a problem with them.

FMAB is/was also about half of the length Kai will be.

That doesn't change the fact that Toei is full of cheap bastards. Plus, I would argue a Brotherhood treatment of DB would sell twice as good, if not more, than it has. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it was right now.

If Detective Conan can afford to go on for 16+ years at a decent quality of animation, and FMA can get a complete reanimation of high quality, I can't see why we can't get a filler reduced, fully reanimated DB. Toei would probably have made more money from it for being a more differing product from Z, plus the money from selling international licenses of it.

[Fox666]

There are different animation studies.

Toei is the cheap one. All series made up by Toei end up being of low budget. That's how they maximize their revenue.

What you are asking is for Toei not making series anymore.

(which wouldb't be a bad thing)