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[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Perfect]

Masako: "When Gokou is done fighting and he's riding on Shenron; when he says, "It's warm....". The meaning is that Gokou is leaving the mortal life and going to God's world, however, they (the writers) never say that he died. That was good. He went there and continued to train." - http://www.thegrandline.com/dbzinfo/frames.html

I'm not sure if it's accurate but...Yeah, I like what she has to say on it. I wonder what would have happened if they flat out said, "Goku died.".........

[LeprikanGT]

Vegeta would have died long before Goku. We don't know the life span of the average saiyan do we?

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Chuquita]

About saiyajin aging; wasn't it revealed in a recent guidebook that they live about as long as humans do, only remain in their prime until a sudden super-aging jump where they suddenly become elderly?

I remember reading about that somewhere on these boards and being surprised by the idea of Goku and Vegeta getting hit with rapid aging once they hit a certain point.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Kaboom]

About saiyajin aging; wasn't it revealed in a recent guidebook that they live about as long as humans do, only remain in their prime until a sudden super-aging jump where they suddenly become elderly?

That was indeed it. They have about the same overall lifespan, but remain in their prime for much longer, and then age rapidly at a certain point.

We also learned that at a certain age, presumably this "over the hill" point, is when a Saiyan's hair and such starts to change. Pretty sure the same book confirmed that Nappa naturally went bald with age.

[Goku100xKamehameha]

would you consider DBGT canon? I understand Akira Toriyama didn't make a Manga off of it, but he did help a bit on DBGT. Wouldn't that make it canon regardless of the Manga?

It can't be canon because as far as I know, Toriyama didn't do anything to the story. He only come up with some character designs and The title for the show.
You should go see the "10 Things You Didn't Know About Dragon Ball" they explain what Toriyama do for GT.
Also this can help this topic.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Goku100xKamehameha]

will Vegeta keep his physical body when he dies of old age? (So he can go train with Goku).

Well, Vegeta did help Goku defeating Omega Shenlong. So I think he can keep he's body.

[LeprikanGT]

Wouldn't Vegeta die before Goku? Vegeta would have a good 50 or 60 years of being dead before Goku showed up.

[jaywonder]

One thing I've wondered about was Goku Jr's parents. Pan was like his great grandmother, right? where were her kids?

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

My question is that, when Vegeta dies, would be be-able to keep his body and train with Goku in the other world?

Would Vegeta get to keep his life and train with Goku later on when Vegeta dies of old age?

But would Vegeta be able to keep his physical body in the other world after aging to death?

What I want to know is, will Vegeta keep his physical body when he dies of old age? (So he can go train with Goku).

Not to be rude, but we get it...you don't have to repeat the same question 20 times, if it's in your OP post, someone will get to it eventually ^^; If this was your main/most pressing question, you probably should have worded your topic title more specifically, and not as broad as just 'at the end of GT'.

Personally I don't think so. If we go back to Vegeta's death against Buu, Piccolo flat-out told him that no, he'd lose his body, go to Hell, and be cleansed because his life is full of sin. If we had to rank good vs. evil deeds and where it nets you in the afterlife, let's say 5 is where Gokou is at, 0 is neutral, and Vegeta at this point against Buu would be at a -5.

However, after this point, he comes back and fuses with Gokou into Vegetto. Once they unfuse, Vegeta finally admits Gokou is better, and puts a ton of effort into getting the humans to donate their energy to the Genki-Dama. Once Buu is defeated, the next 10 years of his life are spent in relative peace. Vegeta has finally let go of all that animosity between him and Gokou. Factoring GT into the mix (and ignoring the whole Bebi incident because I'm pretty sure that wasn't his fault - correct me if I'm wrong though, I've seen maybe 10 episodes of GT total, and that was via fansubs back in middle school), Vegeta did more still to help save the Earth. Let's say that the gods have watched all of this and recognized it, weighing his more recent good deeds against his past evil ones. That all bumps Vegeta back up to 0, a 'clean slate' if you will - he can die and not go to Hell.

But his past is still full of evil deeds. I don't think it'd be very prudent of the gods to completely ignore the fact that the guy spent more of his life doing - and enjoying himself doing - deplorable, evil deeds, and say 'well it's okay, he spent the last few years being good, so let's just call it even and let him keep his body after death'. That'd be a pretty glaring oversight if you ask me. Vegeta does not deserve the privilege of keeping his body after death. He did not live a heroic life of good deeds like Gokou, or (this is about GT, so I think we'd be silly to ignore other filler material) the other fighters shown in the Anoyoichi Budoukai. It seems to be a rule that if you live a normal, good life, then you're nobody special and you die normally. Only the goodest of the good get the privilege of keeping their bodies after death. If we consider Vegeta's good deeds, the most it could possibly do for him is bump him from a -5 (going to Hell, getting his soul erased) to a 0 ('normal'). He has no right to get bumped up to 5 (ultimate good-guy body keeping status) just because of a few instances of saving the Earth when compared to his entire life of doing terrible things.

Sorry, I know a lot of fans would just love the idea of Gokou and Vegeta becoming friendly rivals in the afterlife, but considering the material (mostly filler or not, we're analyzing the end of GT after all) that just seems completely absurd and impossible. Vegeta is not a good guy. He may have eventually become a good guy, but that's just not enough. If I was a notorious serial killer on the run for 18 years, and by the time the police finally caught me, I had repented by helping a few dozen old ladies cross the street and volunteering at my local soup kitchen, would that be enough for them to decide not to throw me in jail? Of course not. This is the same thing.

[Ahiru77]

I consider 1-23 close to canon.

The rest can go ride a Shenron.

[Drabaz]

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I agree with the scale that Vegeta would hit 0, but to say that he doesn't deserve to keep his body...I'm not too sure about that. I think you're forgetting how big a deal it is to save the earth.

[Necrosaber]

*EDIT* I personally think that he had to leave with the dragon as consequence for using the dragonballs so often. I don't think he's dead however, although he may very well be able to explore the spirit world. It's possible that the dragon is escorting him to where the dragons originated from, a whole new world, and therefore new adventures.
As for him being an adult again when he sees Pan... Presumably, he just aged as normal until he was an adult again. Or perhaps the dragon used its power to turn him back to normal (as well as give him a new outfit). Maybe even eternal youth as well, since we see him 100 years later.

Overall, my guess is that he had to leave Earth as punishment for overusing the dragonballs. However, because of so many heroic efforts, I think they granted him special attributes, such as lengthened youth and the privilige to explore transcended worlds.




Edit* I really wish I knew what happened at the end of DBGT, anyone have any fan-ideas that are reasonable?

Because it's obvious that nothing really is going to be worked on to continue or conclude Goku's ending in GT, I like to believe Toyble's theory of what happened to Goku. (it just seems so cool and sensible to me)

http://desirecampbell.com/img/project/dbaf/171.jpg
http://desirecampbell.com/img/project/dbaf/172.jpg
http://desirecampbell.com/img/project/dbaf/173.jpg
http://desirecampbell.com/img/project/dbaf/174.jpg

Obviously this theory isn't canon since it's fanmade, but it makes you go "Hmm, well that's plausible"

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

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I agree with the scale that Vegeta would hit 0, but to say that he doesn't deserve to keep his body...I'm not too sure about that. I think you're forgetting how big a deal it is to save the earth.

To save it? Certainly. To help save it? Well...I like to think Kami-Sama put in a good word for Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Chaozu and Piccolo when they died that let them keep their bodies and train with Kaioh, because they're kinda up close and personal with God himself...and barring Piccolo (who Kami-Sama surely had additional reasons to put in a good word for, conveniently looking past his evil deeds), none of them lived a life full of evil and destruction. Vegeta is another story entirely. I just don't think helping save the world once or twice after a lifetime of horrific acts is enough for the gods to let slide. Maybe if he single-handedly saved the world, it'd be a selfless enough act to redeem him. But to just kinda...help Gokou do it, when you weigh that against all his evils, it doesn't seem plausible.

[Drabaz]

Well ok, let's say he did just "help" with saving the Earth from Buu,(even though Vegeta was pretty much the brains and Goku was his tool) he used 2 of the wishes from the dragon to restore the Earth and bring all the "good" earthlings back to life. That in it of itself is a huge deal. I think the Gods would look past ones evil deads if they've proven themselves a changed man.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

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I agree with the scale that Vegeta would hit 0, but to say that he doesn't deserve to keep his body...I'm not too sure about that. I think you're forgetting how big a deal it is to save the earth.

To save it? Certainly. To help save it? Well...I like to think Kami-Sama put in a good word for Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Chaozu and Piccolo when they died that let them keep their bodies and train with Kaioh, because they're kinda up close and personal with God himself...and barring Piccolo (who Kami-Sama surely had additional reasons to put in a good word for, conveniently looking past his evil deeds), none of them lived a life full of evil and destruction. Vegeta is another story entirely. I just don't think helping save the world once or twice after a lifetime of horrific acts is enough for the gods to let slide. Maybe if he single-handedly saved the world, it'd be a selfless enough act to redeem him. But to just kinda...help Goku do it, when you weigh that against all his evils, it doesn't seem plausible.

But you seem to forget the much bigger picture, he didn't just help Goku save the Earth from Majin Buu, he helped to save EVERYTHING IN EXISTANCE multiple times. Sure he spent like 30 years of his life destroying some lifeforms, but since Shenlong no longer considers him to be evil while facing Majin Buu then this theoretical scale of yours has him at least at 0 upon this revival. It was Vegeta's plan of forming a Genki Dama that lead to the defeat of Majin Buu and saving all of the cosmos and the afterlife, as Buu would have went batshit crazy had he not been stopped. And since this is actually based on GT, excluding his being possessed by Bebi, he fought to save the Earth from Super 17, and fought to defeat Yi Xing Long and he evil influence. Kaio specifically said that the dragon's negative energy would not only affect the Earth, but would spread throughout the cosmos. So once again it is not a matter of just fighting for the Earth. True he may not have defeated any of them himself, but everything would have be dust without him being a cog in the overall machine.

Plus, the afterlife isn't for sentencing a soul based on human morals. Enma is a god...of sorts, lord of his own realm, and can use whatever logic, even beyond our reasoning, he wants when passing judgment. Despite knowing of great evils, none of the gods cared to protect any of the planets from the likes of Freeza. They are above mortals. Yet when their ass was in danger, they all jumped at requesting help in defeating the monsters. I think Vegeta would have earned more brownie points then you give him credit for.

Who knows, the situation may be cut and dry. They may see it as he did more good saving the cosmos than he did evil destroying a few planets and allow him to keep his body. Or it may be a but less black and white, meaning they look at everything in excruciating detail and then develop a sentence based on every reaction that his actions caused, etc.

[nathantheguitarist]

I'd like to think of that one theory as what happened to Goku -- he died in that hole, and was dead once he rose out with that final genki-dama.

Sure, no halo, but it makes it even more mysterious but in a way makes more sense for Shenlong taking him with and the subsequent appearences at the end of the TV Special and at the Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. fight.

As for why he seemingly absorbs the Dragon Balls... I got nothin' lol.