Future Trunks Namekian Connection

[Nwcali01]

Something I've thought about recently after re-watching the Cell saga, is that if the future Trunks really pursued it, couldn't he bring back everyone killed by 17 and 18 in his reality after learning about the Namekian Dragonballs and their greater powers compared to the Earth's Dragonballs? All he would have to do is get in contact with Kaio sama, find out where the Namekians are located, travel to their planet and ask to have Porunga restore those killed by the androids. Or would the time limit on being dead make it impossible to bring them back because years have gone by?

[Great Saiyaman I]

Could've. He didn't, though, and that's it.

[Nwcali01]

Really?

That was more of a 'could he have?' than a 'did he?' post.

[Perfect]

I'm sure there's a restriction on reviving people with the Namekian dragon balls. I assume it was far too late when he returned, so he restored the Earth by hand. I do believe however Toriyama sugar coated the end of the Cell saga, in Future Trunks' time line. You see in the real version, Cell freezes Trunks in carbonate and sells him into slavery. However, little did Farmer know, Trunks wouldn't be able to do anything due to his immobilization. So the Farmer with a vengeful mind kidnapped Bulma, he had his way with her of course, and made sure Trunks watched...Who couldn't see or a hear a damn thing. Silly Farmer.

[Rocketman]

How could he get in contact with King Kai?

[Nwcali01]

That's where I got stuck...maybe thru Karin or Popo?

[Ahiru77]

Something I've thought about recently after re-watching the Cell saga, is that if the future Trunks really pursued it, couldn't he bring back everyone killed by 17 and 18 in his reality after learning about the Namekian Dragonballs and their greater powers compared to the Earth's Dragonballs? All he would have to do is get in contact with Kaio sama, find out where the Namekians are located, travel to their planet and ask to have Porunga restore those killed by the androids. Or would the time limit on being dead make it impossible to bring them back because years have gone by?

Oh yeah, just ring him up. No biggie. King frickin Kai only gets off his high horse for Goku.

Bulma should have told him. If anything has been done wrong, blame her.

[Piccolo Daimao]

We've had this question before, but from what I can remember, we concluded that Future Trunks didn't know where it was or how to get there, and the only means of travel was a spaceship. And gods don't get off their high horses whenever a planet's in trouble. That's not how it works in Dragon Ball, and also the reason why the Kaioshin didn't do anything about Freeza. Kaio only helped out Goku because he was a student.

[GizmoKSX]

Good idea. I can't think of a good reason it wouldn't work, as long as they still had a ship and New Namek was in good shape in that timeline. After training Goku, Kaio helped out the others on a few occasions, so I don't see why he'd just let them all die in vain.
Also consider: The Artificial Humans in the main timeline were far stronger than those in Future Trunks' timeline. Yet with a bit of training in the Room of Spirit and Time, the warriors were able to stand against even 2nd form Cell. You don't suppose that with an impending apocalypse, with Goku gone, Kami and Mr. Popo might have let everyone know that they could get some serious training done in the blink of an eye?

[Drabaz]

Did Bulma even have a way to build a space ship that could travel as fast as the saiyan space pods? This makes me wonder, what ever happend to the Ginyu space pod that Goku came back in? In the present timeline, I'de assume Bulma had Capsule Corp. take it. But in Trunks' timeline, nobody was around for Goku's arrival right? Then that makes me wonder how Trunks knew when Goku would be arriving. And didn't the Goku in Trunks' time just use instantaneous movement to get to Freeza, leaving the space pod to crash on Earth without anybody in it? How would everybody in the future know or care when the empty space pod would arrive? Now I have a headache. This is why we should never think too much about logic from a manga that was made from a guy who draws poop on a stick.

[rereboy]

New Namek is not in the same place as the old Namek, so they don`t know where it is, regardless of having a spaceship or not.

The only way they could find out where it is located would be with the help of Kaio who, as a god, won`t help out everytime someone in his quadrant is in trouble. He only helped them out the first time because Goku, as one of his students, can contact him and Kaio is willing to help his students out (which are almost always dead. The fact that Goku is alive at that point thanks to the dragon balls is just an happy coincidence).

I don`t think Karin is able to contact Kaio and Kami died with Piccolo when the androids killed him. There is nothing to suggest that there is a new Kami already in Trunks` timeline, if that Kami would be able to contact Kaio, or if he would try to help out the humans, since he would be a god and thus he might not be inclined to interfere.

[Bussani]

This sort of question gets asked a lot.

[Rocketman]

You don't suppose that with an impending apocalypse, with Goku gone, Kami and Mr. Popo might have let everyone know that they could get some serious training done in the blink of an eye?

What impending apocalypse? Everybody dies in their first confrontation with the Androids.

[GizmoKSX]

You don't suppose that with an impending apocalypse, with Goku gone, Kami and Mr. Popo might have let everyone know that they could get some serious training done in the blink of an eye?

What impending apocalypse? Everybody dies in their first confrontation with the Androids.

Didn't Goku die from the heart virus before the others were killed? If so, Kami should have had a contingency plan to get the others buffed up pronto.

[Perfect]

You don't suppose that with an impending apocalypse, with Goku gone, Kami and Mr. Popo might have let everyone know that they could get some serious training done in the blink of an eye?

What impending apocalypse? Everybody dies in their first confrontation with the Androids.

Didn't Goku die from the heart virus before the others were killed? If so, Kami should have had a contingency plan to get the others buffed up pronto.

It wasn't just, "Let's always rely on Goku". Only a select few really thought that way, and Kami-sama certainly wasn't one of them.

[Rocketman]

Didn't Goku die from the heart virus before the others were killed? If so, Kami should have had a contingency plan to get the others buffed up pronto.

Vegeta was already on Goku's level, especially if he became a Super Saiyan.

Which does raise the question of why Vegeta was still hanging around on Earth with Goku dead and cold. I like to think that Vegeta's obsession with surpassing Goku twisted into him deciding he would be a better protector of Earth than Goku was. Since the Dragonball universe is constructed to shit on Vegeta, however, his first attempt to protect anybody led to his death, the deaths of the Z fighters, and the world descending into hell for a couple decades.

[dbgtFO]

Didn't Goku die from the heart virus before the others were killed? If so, Kami should have had a contingency plan to get the others buffed up pronto.

Vegeta was already on Goku's level, especially if he became a Super Saiyan.

Which does raise the question of why Vegeta was still hanging around on Earth with Goku dead and cold. I like to think that Vegeta's obsession with surpassing Goku twisted into him deciding he would be a better protector of Earth than Goku was. Since the Dragonball universe is constructed to shit on Vegeta, however, his first attempt to protect anybody led to his death, the deaths of the Z fighters, and the world descending into hell for a couple decades.

I lol'd
@ GizmoKSX Kami probably didn't know about the cyborgs before they were released, so he would have no reason for allowing them to train in the ROSAT just because Goku died a natural death.

[Xyex]

Something I've thought about recently after re-watching the Cell saga, is that if the future Trunks really pursued it, couldn't he bring back everyone killed by 17 and 18 in his reality after learning about the Namekian Dragonballs and their greater powers compared to the Earth's Dragonballs? All he would have to do is get in contact with Kaio sama, find out where the Namekians are located, travel to their planet and ask to have Porunga restore those killed by the androids. Or would the time limit on being dead make it impossible to bring them back because years have gone by?

1) Trunks has no way of contacting King Kai. Kami's gone, Popo and Karin likely can't do it
2) Even if he could contact him he wouldn't help. The Kais do not interfere with the progression of events in the mortal world just because some plant is having a bad day. Before, King Kai had students who just happened to be alive. Now he does not.
3) It would be far more logical to have asked Dende the general location of New Namek and had Bulma locate it's exact position from there.

Also consider: The Artificial Humans in the main timeline were far stronger than those in Future Trunks' timeline. Yet with a bit of training in the Room of Spirit and Time, the warriors were able to stand against even 2nd form Cell. You don't suppose that with an impending apocalypse, with Goku gone, Kami and Mr. Popo might have let everyone know that they could get some serious training done in the blink of an eye?

There was no 'impending' anything. Sure, Goku was dead, but so was the most powerful being in the entire frikken universe (that being Freeza) so... it's not like there were any threats out there that Vegeta, Piccolo, or Gohan couldn't squash. Blindfolded. With their arms tied behind their backs. And no one had any clue about the Androids coming shortly there after. So far as they could see, it was peace forever.

Plus, the only reason they were able to match/surpass Semi-Perfect Cell so fast is because they worked at improving SSJ. Any pre-Android arrival training would have been the same as it was in the series. Just basic improvement. So they still would have been screwed. Especially since the future Androids aren't weaker, Trunks just assumes they are since he's never fought his at their full power.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Which does raise the question of why Vegeta was still hanging around on Earth with Goku dead and cold. I like to think that Vegeta's obsession with surpassing Goku twisted into him deciding he would be a better protector of Earth than Goku was. Since the Dragonball universe is constructed to shit on Vegeta, however, his first attempt to protect anybody led to his death, the deaths of the Z fighters, and the world descending into hell for a couple decades.

I think it was still his aim to become a Super Saiyan and surpass the level of strength that Goku had achieved. And anyway, what else could he do? Freeza and King Cold were dead, thus so would the planet trade organization. Vegeta didn't even work for Freeza anymore. I doubt he wanted to gather the Dragon Balls and become immortal, since I think his ego wouldn't let him cheat his way to becoming stronger than Goku.

...Or he stayed to fuck Bulma.

[dbgtFO]

Which does raise the question of why Vegeta was still hanging around on Earth with Goku dead and cold. I like to think that Vegeta's obsession with surpassing Goku twisted into him deciding he would be a better protector of Earth than Goku was. Since the Dragonball universe is constructed to shit on Vegeta, however, his first attempt to protect anybody led to his death, the deaths of the Z fighters, and the world descending into hell for a couple decades.

I think it was still his aim to become a Super Saiyan and surpass the level of strength that Goku had achieved. And anyway, what else could he do? Freeza and King Cold were dead, thus so would the planet trade organization. Vegeta didn't even work for Freeza anymore. I doubt he wanted to gather the Dragon Balls and become immortal, since I think his ego wouldn't let him cheat his way to becoming stronger than Goku.

...Or he stayed to fuck Bulma.

How does attaining immortality make you stronger anyway?
Other than that I agree.