Buff Buu= Kid Buu+South Kaioshin??

[dbgtFO]

So I've been wondering, if I actually can convince people of my theory, that Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu. How am I gonna do that? well if you look at the subject closely Super Buu, when transforming into Kid Buu was stated to become stronger and many people say, that's because he is Buff Buu at the moment(which according to fandom is Kid Buu with South Kaioshin(SS Kai for short) absorbed).

If we apply logic to this scene(apparently some people think that logic is non existing in the Buu arc) there's no way that could've been Kid Buu(+ SS Kai) because all the Kaioshin influence, which was stored inside Mr. Buu had already been removed making it impossible for that being the case. So this must mean, that the "Buff Buu" seen is nothing more than an intermediate stage between Super Buu and Kid Buu.

My second point is that whenever we see Buu absorbing someone he takes the upper part of their clothes(Gotenks Buu had the vest, Piccolo Buu had the cape and shirt and Gohan Buu had the Gi and the shirt) the only form of Buu, that actually has more than just the upper part is Fat Buu/Mr. Buu.
Fat Buu/Mr. Buu has the Daikaioshin's gloves and his shoes probably because of the Daikaioshin's extraordinary influence on Buu.
If "Buff Buu" really was Kid Buu(+ SS Kai), then why didn't he have the clothes of South Kaioshin??
Probably because "Buff Buu" was nothing more than the fan made name suggests.. a BUFF form of Buu.

My third and final point is the anime actually gives the people believing Buff Buu is Kid Buu(+ SS Kai) proof that he is, because in the flashback we have of Kid Buu fighting the Kaioshins, it is shown, that when he absorbs South Kaioshin he becomes the same Buff Buu as seen, when transforming back.

But you know what? that entire scene was filler!! it was not in the manga! The manga only showed us how South Kaioshin looked like, not what Kid Buu(+ SS Kai) looked like, so the flashback scene can easily be deemed as incompatible with the manga.
Now that I have presented my points, what do you guys think? am I going crazy over this Youtube exclusive debate? or am I actually on right track?

[jjgp1112]

I don't think you're gonna have much luck getting us on your side when the majority of the people here think that Super Buu was stronger than Kid Buu since it was stated as such in the manga.

Basically, it goes like this...

Fat Buu = Kid Buu+South Supreme Kai+Dai Kaioshin suppressing Buu's evil nature and strength
Evil Buu = The manifestation of what was left of Fat Buu's evil (It's NOT a new form. Think Piccolo/Kami)
Super Buu = Kid Buu+South Supreme Kai+Dai Kaioshin-Suppression (He's basically Fat Buu in reverse)
The Fat Buu in Buu's stomach is pretty much the storeplace for the Kais, so when he reverted to Buff Buu, he was basically gradually getting the Kais out of his system, so to speak.

[VegettoEX]

I don't think you're gonna have much luck getting us on your side when the majority of the people here think that Super Buu was stronger than Kid Buu since it was stated as such in the manga.

I'd wager that the actual majority of people here neither know nor care about something like that . I mean, strength discussions rarely go beyond a small group of people...

[jjgp1112]

I don't think you're gonna have much luck getting us on your side when the majority of the people here think that Super Buu was stronger than Kid Buu since it was stated as such in the manga.

I'd wager that the actual majority of people here neither know nor care about something like that . I mean, strength discussions rarely go beyond a small group of people...

Good point.

Well then, the majority of the small group of people who participate in power level discussions think that Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu

[dbgtFO]

@ jjgp1112
So you don't think my explanation makes sense?
Edit:

I don't think you're gonna have much luck getting us on your side when the majority of the people here think that Super Buu was stronger than Kid Buu since it was stated as such in the manga.

Okay, but when was Super Buu stated as stronger than Kid Buu??

Basically, it goes like this...

Fat Buu = Kid Buu+South Supreme Kai+Dai Kaioshin suppressing Buu's evil nature and strength
Evil Buu = The manifestation of what was left of Fat Buu's evil (It's NOT a new form. Think Piccolo/Kami)
Super Buu = Kid Buu+South Supreme Kai+Dai Kaioshin-Suppression (He's basically Fat Buu in reverse)
The Fat Buu in Buu's stomach is pretty much the storeplace for the Kais, so when he reverted to Buff Buu, he was basically gradually getting the Kais out of his system, so to speak.

Yeah, I don't buy your last point it seems too convenient for you to claim that, I still wanna know if others think my theory makes sense .

[Kaboom]

Okay, but when was Super Buu stated as stronger than Kid Buu??

When Super Boo is so strong that Goku is scared for his life to even try fighting him, but then Goku is able to go toe-to-toe with Kid Boo and even potentially win. At first, Vegeta even thinks he can take him too.

It's never outright stated, but we don't need it to be if we use our heads. Rather, the events and dialogue within the manga give more than enough clear indication for anyone to figure it out for themselves.

[dbgtFO]

Okay, but when was Super Buu stated as stronger than Kid Buu??

When Super Boo is so strong that Goku is scared for his life to even try fighting him, but then Goku is able to go toe-to-toe with Kid Boo and even potentially win. At first, Vegeta even thinks he can take him too.

It's never outright stated, but we don't need it to be if we use our heads. Rather, the events and dialogue within the manga give more than enough clear indication for anyone to figure it out for themselves.

Yeah I know of those incidents, the guy just wrote it like it was said directly that Super Buu was stronger than Kid Buu, but what do you think of this theory? doesn't it make the least bit of sense??

[Kingdom Heartless]

I don't think he's stronger, but definitely more dangerous.... he's essentially a mindless killing machine. Super Buu at least had some reason.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Super Boo is stronger than Kid Boo, but Kid Boo is more dangerous. Super Boo played with his opponents, whereas Kid Boo just destroyed Earth from the word go. I'm thinking I'm having deja vu...

[Kaboom]

Well, let's take a somewhat closer look at it...

If we apply logic to this scene(apparently some people think that logic is non existing in the Buu arc) there's no way that could've been Kid Buu(+ SS Kai) because all the Kaioshin influence, which was stored inside Mr. Buu had already been removed making it impossible for that being the case. So this must mean, that the "Buff Buu" seen is nothing more than an intermediate stage between Super Buu and Kid Buu.

On the contrary, it could have just been part of the reversion process. Instead of just going "poof" and reverting to his purest and weaker form, the power that had been so deeply ingrained and part of him for so long needed a few seconds to undo itself. Like when you're using a water hose. Even though you've just turned off the pump at one end, it takes a few seconds for all the remaining water to work its way and fully empty out on the other end.

If "Buff Buu" really was Kid Buu(+ SS Kai), then why didn't he have the clothes of South Kaioshin??
Probably because "Buff Buu" was nothing more than the fan made name suggests.. a BUFF form of Buu.

My third and final point is the anime actually gives the people believing Buff Buu is Kid Buu(+ SS Kai) proof that he is, because in the flashback we have of Kid Buu fighting the Kaioshins, it is shown, that when he absorbs South Kaioshin he becomes the same Buff Buu as seen, when transforming back.

But you know what? that entire scene was filler!! it was not in the manga! The manga only showed us how South Kaioshin looked like, not what Kid Buu(+ SS Kai) looked like, so the flashback scene can easily be deemed as incompatible with the manga.

It would be an interesting point, but even though we weren't shown that part in the manga, we were still told it. Kaioshin, as he's explaining to the Elder Kaioshin what happened eons ago when Boo was first around, states that this "Buff" form is exactly what Kid Boo turned into when he absorbed the South Kaioshin, clothes or not. The anime just decided to pad things out by actually showing it.

[dbgtFO]

Super Boo is stronger than Kid Boo, but Kid Boo is more dangerous. Super Boo played with his opponents, whereas Kid Boo just destroyed Earth from the word go. I'm thinking I'm having deja vu...

I don't know how much this has been discussed before, but I made this thread to point out, why I think it's reasonable to assume Kid Buu is stronger.

Kid Buu actually played with his opponents as well(regenerating slowly, choking Vegeta giving him a slow and painful death, hitting Mr. Satan twice without killing him) so yeah, he could have turned them all into candy instead of fighting them, but he didn't, so that tells me that he was probably interested in fighting and dragging it out.

[Kaboom]

he could have turned them all into candy instead of fighting them, but he didn't, so that tells me that he was probably interested in fighting and dragging it out.

FYI, He DID try to turn Goku into candy.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Super Boo is stronger than Kid Boo, but Kid Boo is more dangerous. Super Boo played with his opponents, whereas Kid Boo just destroyed Earth from the word go. I'm thinking I'm having deja vu...

I don't know how much this has been discussed before, but I made this thread to point out, why I think it's reasonable to assume Kid Buu is stronger.

Kid Buu actually played with his opponents as well(regenerating slowly, choking Vegeta giving him a slow and painful death, hitting Mr. Satan twice without killing him) so yeah, he could have turned them all into candy instead of fighting them, but he didn't, so that tells me that he was probably interested in fighting and dragging it out.

I don't know how many times it has been discussed on this forum, but throughout the Dragon Ball fandom, it has been discussed to death. I don't see why you're bringing up a "Which Boo is stronger?" topic here and trying to persuade people that Kid Boo is stronger than Super Boo, when it just won't work.

And, like Kaboom said, Kid Boo did try to turn Goku into candy. And the Kaioshin even said that Kid Boo is the most troublesome Boo. He doesn't have the reason that Super Boo does. He destroyed the Earth in an instant while Super Boo decided to beat up Gohan for a while before he decided to blow up Earth.

But I don't really care which way, I grew long tired of this topic years ago. And Boo's anatomy is retarded anyway.

[dbgtFO]

Well, let's take a somewhat closer look at it...

If we apply logic to this scene(apparently some people think that logic is non existing in the Buu arc) there's no way that could've been Kid Buu(+ SS Kai) because all the Kaioshin influence, which was stored inside Mr. Buu had already been removed making it impossible for that being the case. So this must mean, that the "Buff Buu" seen is nothing more than an intermediate stage between Super Buu and Kid Buu.

On the contrary, it could have just been part of the reversion process. Instead of just going "poof" and reverting to his purest and weaker form, the power that had been so deeply ingrained and part of him for so long needed a few seconds to undo itself. Like when you're using a water hose. Even though you've just turned off the pump at one end, it takes a few seconds for all the remaining water to work its way and fully empty out on the other end.

Oh yeah, that's what I always assumed, that he somehow remembered the previous form or something like that it could work, but there is really nothing backing it up AFAIK.

If "Buff Buu" really was Kid Buu(+ SS Kai), then why didn't he have the clothes of South Kaioshin??
Probably because "Buff Buu" was nothing more than the fan made name suggests.. a BUFF form of Buu.

My third and final point is the anime actually gives the people believing Buff Buu is Kid Buu(+ SS Kai) proof that he is, because in the flashback we have of Kid Buu fighting the Kaioshins, it is shown, that when he absorbs South Kaioshin he becomes the same Buff Buu as seen, when transforming back.

But you know what? that entire scene was filler!! it was not in the manga! The manga only showed us how South Kaioshin looked like, not what Kid Buu(+ SS Kai) looked like, so the flashback scene can easily be deemed as incompatible with the manga.

It would be an interesting point, but even though we weren't shown that part in the manga, we were still told it. Kaioshin, as he's explaining to the Elder Kaioshin what happened eons ago when Boo was first around, states that this "Buff" form is exactly what Kid Boo turned into when he absorbed the South Kaioshin, clothes or not. The anime just decided to pad things out by actually showing it.

Does Kaioshin say that in your version? because he doesn't in mine

he could have turned them all into candy instead of fighting them, but he didn't, so that tells me that he was probably interested in fighting and dragging it out.

FYI, He DID try to turn Goku into candy.

True! but he first tried it, when Goku was SSJ3 he didn't simply do it from the begining, which was my point in showing, that he wasn't just destroying left and right and that he didn't have anything better to do than eliminating weak enemies.

[LeprikanGT]

I wish we had seen Buff Buu in action, like more than juts a rush, I'd play him in a video game.

Now that I think about it, Kid Buu IS pretty cheap with his teleport, explode, pulls self together, and repeat.

[dbgtFO]

I wish we had seen Buff Buu in action, like more than juts a rush, I'd play him in a video game.

Now that I think about it, Kid Buu IS pretty cheap with his teleport, explode, pulls self together, and repeat.

What does that have to do with anything?
I still haven't received a proper answer on, if my theory makes it reasonable to assume that Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu.

[Codarik]

I think people just like to say Kid Buu is stronger cause he was the last villain in the series. It only makes sense to save the strongest for last.

[dbgtFO]

I think people just like to say Kid Buu is stronger cause he was the last villain in the series. It only makes sense to save the strongest for last.

Perhaps, but if you save the strongest for last, that would mean Kid Buu was stronger than Buuhan and that's not what I want to debate about.

I think he is the strongest due to the points I posted in my OP. Besides, when Kid Buu generates that energy ball, that destroys the earth Goku says he isn't able to stop it, yet later on both he and Vegeta are confident, that Goku could wipe out Buu with his full SSJ3 power, then why didn't you stop Buu from destroying your freaking homeplanet Goku? It actually makes me believe the fan theory, that Goku didn't wanna show SSJ 3 to Vegeta, before Vegeta requested it himself, but that would mean, that Goku lets his sons die just so he won't humiliate his rival/friend, that's just fucked up

[jjgp1112]

Because the blast was big as shit, that's why. As long as Buu didn't pull any huge ass blasts like that again, they were fine.

[dbgtFO]

Because the blast was big as shit, that's why. As long as Buu didn't pull any huge ass blasts like that again, they were fine.

So the bigger the blast, the more dangerous they become? Besides it wasn't that big, when Buu launched it, its height was the same as his. He actually fired a blast as big as SSJ 3 Goku during their battle(a kamehameha), yet Goku seems fine afterwards.