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Re: Toyble DBAF [Sept 25, 2010] pg 175-191

Post by dbgtFO » Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:04 pm

Rocketman wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:It is a continuation of GT that's why, he probably tries to have the same elements as the previous series.
Goku left at the end of GT and said Vegeta was in charge of protecting everybody now.
Well DBZ ended with Goku wanting to make Uub his succesor as world saviour, yet Uub doesn't really do much in GT and Goku ends up becoming the world saviour once again. :roll:

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Re: Toyble DBAF [Sept 25, 2010] pg 175-191

Post by DNA » Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:24 pm

He must be like "Oh for fucks sake! Can't I trust you guys with anything?".

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Re: Toyble DBAF [Sept 25, 2010] pg 175-191

Post by Hero 004 » Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:57 am

I guess I'm just surprised by how much it's NOT bothering me that Goku is returning as the main protagonist. This just feels like such a natural continuation of GT but it's better and is returning to some of what was good about the first two series'.
I love Uub (his fight with Bebi was one of my favorite GT episodes). I also love Vegeta, Piccolo,the Half-Saiyans, and humans and have always wanted to see them in more of a lead role, but I'm too distracted by the expansion of the Dragon Ball and Shadow Dragon mythologies that this comic is presenting. Not to mention the incorporation of the movie characters as I am a big fan of the movies. Toyble is making sense of all this random stuff in fandom and crafting a story worthy of the Dragon Ball title.
Even though the art was spotty in these most recent 20 pages, I'm still having a damn good time reading this manga.
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Re: Toyble DBAF [Sept 25, 2010] pg 175-191

Post by Ussj Future Trunks » Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:20 am

I don't get it. Goku did absolutely everything in most of the previous DB (original DB, movies, early z up to Trunks appearing). AF follows the tradition and its hated? He's the star. And obviously Vegeta is all like "I'll beat him by myself" as usual. So it's not like they would go to Goku unless there was no other option and the defence isnt strong enough. What I don't get is Majuub not showing up to fight. He's stronger than Trunks.
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Re: Toyble DBAF [Sept 25, 2010] pg 175-191

Post by Ussj Future Trunks » Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:39 am

No such thing has happened with Multiverse.
The flying fuck? Vargas showing up like 20 pages in telling us about the greatest tournament in history? Sure it's not much of a plot but hey the best arcs in DB were the tournaments. So suck that. So the main villain needs to appear for the plot to start? Wrong. My point was, this tournament is likely only the set up of a much larger canvas.
SS4 Gohan makes sense
The flying fuck? HALF SAIYANS CANT GO SSJ AND GOHAN HAS NO DESIRE AT ALL TO GET STRONGER! It just fucking came out of nowhere.
plus he's the last living Saiyan with a tail.
Wrong. I'm sure goten and trunks had their tails removed at birth.
Because XXI, who is presumably the main villain (even though its not confirmed), hasn`t fought yet. But he will eventually. In the meantime, the manga has been great in making us understand that everybody in that tournament has his/her own agenda, even Freeza and the Super Namek. The manga is not just about "main villain appears, omg so powerful, how can they win, one or two plot twist, and there, a solution to defeat the villain emerges and they win, making the total fight count of the story less than 10". It has so much more than that (including many and great details).
Finally someone gets it.
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Re: Toyble DBAF [Sept 25, 2010] pg 175-191

Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:23 am

Ussj Future Trunks wrote: HALF SAIYANS CANT GO SSJ
Trunks says hello.
Ussj Future Trunks wrote: It just fucking came out of nowhere.
And a massive tournament with villains and Z-warriors from parallel dimensions participating, didn't?

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Re: Toyble DBAF [Sept 25, 2010] pg 175-191

Post by dbgtFO » Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:30 am

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:
Ussj Future Trunks wrote: HALF SAIYANS CANT GO SSJ
Trunks says hello.
He even got it in his name and he forgets to type it properly :P
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:
Ussj Future Trunks wrote: It just fucking came out of nowhere.
And a massive tournament with villains and Z-warriors from parallel dimensions participating, didn't?
I agree, both those instances are just as impossible as timetravel being possible in the DB world :P
To get back on DBAF and to stay away from this ongoing DBM vs DBAF war, I wonder if that preview we received is gonna be true? Are we really going to see Goku go SSJ 5, and will it be the result of him somehow merging with the dragon? I can't wait to find out!

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Re: Toyble DBAF [Sept 25, 2010] pg 175-191

Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:03 am

I finaly catch up with the latest chapters, I still like the Dragon realm idea. I rather have Future Trunks return instend of Broly coming back to life. I don't know why, but the Z-Sword part of the chapter reminds me a little bit of the Thor Hammer sceen in "Iron Man 2".
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Re: Toyble DBAF [Sept 25, 2010] pg 175-191

Post by Ussj Future Trunks » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:39 am

Oh wow typo and suddenly I'm soo dumb? I obviously meant SSJ4.
And a massive tournament with villains and Z-warriors from parallel dimensions participating, didn't?
Unlike Gohan SSJ4, this made sense and is interesting and cool.
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Re: Toyble DBAF [Sept 25, 2010] pg 175-191

Post by jjgp1112 » Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:16 am

Um, where does it say anything about half Saiyans not being able to go SSJ4? Are you just making it up to support your argument? That's not a good look.
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Re: Toyble DBAF [Sept 25, 2010] pg 175-191

Post by SephiVA » Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:25 am

Hero 004 wrote:I guess I'm just surprised by how much it's NOT bothering me that Goku is returning as the main protagonist. This just feels like such a natural continuation of GT but it's better and is returning to some of what was good about the first two series'.
I love Uub (his fight with Bebi was one of my favorite GT episodes). I also love Vegeta, Piccolo,the Half-Saiyans, and humans and have always wanted to see them in more of a lead role, but I'm too distracted by the expansion of the Dragon Ball and Shadow Dragon mythologies that this comic is presenting. Not to mention the incorporation of the movie characters as I am a big fan of the movies. Toyble is making sense of all this random stuff in fandom and crafting a story worthy of the Dragon Ball title.
Even though the art was spotty in these most recent 20 pages, I'm still having a damn good time reading this manga.
I don't get what you guys mean...Toyables art has been great through the whole thing guys -.-
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No such thing has happened with Multiverse.
The flying fuck? Vargas showing up like 20 pages in telling us about the greatest tournament in history? Sure it's not much of a plot but hey the best arcs in DB were the tournaments. So suck that. So the main villain needs to appear for the plot to start? Wrong. My point was, this tournament is likely only the set up of a much larger canvas.
SS4 Gohan makes sense
The flying fuck? HALF SAIYANS CANT GO SSJ AND GOHAN HAS NO DESIRE AT ALL TO GET STRONGER! It just fucking came out of nowhere.
plus he's the last living Saiyan with a tail.
Wrong. I'm sure goten and trunks had their tails removed at birth.
Because XXI, who is presumably the main villain (even though its not confirmed), hasn`t fought yet. But he will eventually. In the meantime, the manga has been great in making us understand that everybody in that tournament has his/her own agenda, even Freeza and the Super Namek. The manga is not just about "main villain appears, omg so powerful, how can they win, one or two plot twist, and there, a solution to defeat the villain emerges and they win, making the total fight count of the story less than 10". It has so much more than that (including many and great details).
Finally someone gets it.
1. Gohan being SS4 makes sense because if you look at what Gohan has done in all of Z up until the Buu Saga, and even look at how it was HIM who got SS2 first and beat Cell...being halfhuman actually gives him a natural advantage OVER full blooded saiyans, he just slacks off afterwards.
2. WRONG. Akira Toriyama said himself in an interview in Shonen Jump that the lack of a tail on Trunks and Goten is because its a recessive trait on them. Which also explains why Gohan can go SS4 and they cannot..they lack a tail. Which makes a bigger difference than some realize. For one thing, SS4 requires a tail. For another, Gohan was clearly being brought up the whole way to be superior to Goten and Trunks many times, even after they were older in GT, etc.....so it makes SENSE for him to get it more than for them to get it.
3. Your comment on XXI..I'll just have to wait and see how that goes. Honestly, I feel the plot in Dragonball Multiverse is seriously lacking compared to AF, but I also understand that the plot isn't the point. The point is to see kickass fights between different Dragonball related characters in different universes..in which case, mission accomplished...oh and is it just me or should Mary Sue win the whole damn tournament for basically being a Goddess -facepalms- (I mean goddess figuratively, not literally) seriously, I still can't get past how much that character bothers me.
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Re: Toyble DBAF [Sept 25, 2010] pg 175-191

Post by DNA » Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:39 am

I can barely see any difference between Toyble's art and the original. I'm sick of people being rude, not respecting other people's opinions and presenting "facts" that they just took out of their asses. If you don't like AF, then just leave, this is not even a discussion thread, it's a release thread. If you want to discuss AF vs Multiverse, open your own thread, stop posting shit otherwise the threads will start getting locked.

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Re: Toyble DBAF [Sept 25, 2010] pg 175-191

Post by Herms » Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:21 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Um, where does it say anything about half Saiyans not being able to go SSJ4? Are you just making it up to support your argument? That's not a good look.
It's a widespread and pretty much baseless rumor. I think the Funi dub of GT contributed to it at least a bit by having Vegeta say that he was unable to transform into a Super Saiyan 4 when possessed by Baby because at the time he "wasn't a pure-blooded Saiyan" or something like that. The original line (which is actually spoken by Bulma) merely says that Vegeta couldn't reach that form because "Baby's cells were interfering", which could mean all sorts of things. Still, even the Funi dub never says flat-out that half-Saiyans can't reach Super Saiyan 4 (that I'm aware of anyway), and the rumor may predate the dub and have gotten its start simply from the fact that the only characters who ever do reach Super Saiyan 4 in the series are the two last remaining pure Saiyans.
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Re: Toyble DBAF [Sept 25, 2010] pg 175-191

Post by Rocketman » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:01 pm

DNA wrote:I can barely see any difference between Toyble's art and the original.
Because he traced it.

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Re: Toyble DBAF [Sept 25, 2010] pg 175-191

Post by DNA » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:19 pm

Rocketman wrote:
DNA wrote:I can barely see any difference between Toyble's art and the original.
Because he traced it.
Well, so? And it's impossible to trace THAT much. Basically people are saying that Gogeta Jr.'s art looks better than Toriyama's? Is that it?

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Re: Toyble DBAF [Sept 25, 2010] pg 175-191

Post by spencer7x7 » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:37 pm

Rocketman wrote:
DNA wrote:I can barely see any difference between Toyble's art and the original.
Because he traced it.
I doubt he can trace that much, also how can you trace stuff that Toriyama has not drawn like SS4 Gohan, GT Uub and even Xicor.
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Re: Toyble DBAF [Sept 25, 2010] pg 175-191

Post by Necrosaber » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:57 pm

Rocketman wrote:
DNA wrote:I can barely see any difference between Toyble's art and the original.
Because he traced it.
You're either joking, or greatly exaggerating. We know Toyble has openly admitted to tracing *some* scenes in the beginning, but to say he's tracing everything or even a majority of it, is absolutely ridiculous.

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Re: Toyble DBAF [Sept 25, 2010] pg 175-191

Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:38 pm

I recall Toyble saying on their blog that they some stuff is trace over? I don't think he traces everything.
And honestly, if AF is going to follow the rumours and fanfics, and following what the Elder Kaioshin said, I'm guessing that Xicor isn't going to be defeated by fighting, but with diplomacy instead; probably becoming a good guy afterwards and then we enter the Dark Goku Arc, or something like that.
I hope Toyble will make more chapters after Xicor is gone. I will hate if they make him into a good guy, but a Evil Goku arc won't be surprising since it seems like a obivous idea. I have a feeling that a Evil Goku will be born when Goku is summon back to Earth, and the nagative energy from the Dragon Balls will form a evil clone of Goku. Seeing that Superman and Spider-Man have a evil counterpart, why not give Goku a evil counterpart :wink:.
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Re: Toyble DBAF [Sept 25, 2010] pg 175-191

Post by rereboy » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:23 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Seeing that Superman and Spider-Man have a evil counterpart, why not give Goku a evil counterpart :wink:.
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Re: Toyble DBAF [Sept 25, 2010] pg 175-191

Post by DNA » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:27 pm

rereboy wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Seeing that Superman and Spider-Man have a evil counterpart, why not give Goku a evil counterpart :wink:.
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Yeah but.... ;/ it's just not the same.

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