Trunks vs Cooler

[Perfect]

I don't believe Cooler was that much stronger than Freeza.

How would guys rank Metal Cooler in this?

Well, I easily beat him with suppressed Zarbon during the Piccolo Daimao saga, so I'd say he's pretty weak.

[SonGokuh]

Cooler would rip Trunks a new one. Full Power Mecha Frieza may have been at least equal to SSJ Son Goku on Namek since he seemed confident he could defeat him. Cooler was easily more powerful than Namek Goku whom Trunks was said to be equal to.

[Perfect]

Cooler would rip Trunks a new one. Full Power Mecha Freeza may have been at least equal to SSJ Son Goku on Namek since he seemed confident he could defeat him. Cooler was easily more powerful than Namek Goku whom Trunks was said to be equal to.

Freeza was also confident he could kill Goku on Namek after he received some of his power, Cell was also confident he'd beat SSJ2 Gohan after powering up.

[SonGokuh]

Cooler would rip Trunks a new one. Full Power Mecha Freeza may have been at least equal to SSJ Son Goku on Namek since he seemed confident he could defeat him. Cooler was easily more powerful than Namek Goku whom Trunks was said to be equal to.

Freeza was also confident he could kill Goku on Namek after he received some of his power, Cell was also confident he'd beat SSJ2 Gohan after powering up.

Touche. But it's strongly suggested that Frieza was more powerful than before, which is what I believe.

[Perfect]

Cooler would rip Trunks a new one. Full Power Mecha Freeza may have been at least equal to SSJ Son Goku on Namek since he seemed confident he could defeat him. Cooler was easily more powerful than Namek Goku whom Trunks was said to be equal to.

Freeza was also confident he could kill Goku on Namek after he received some of his power, Cell was also confident he'd beat SSJ2 Gohan after powering up.

Touche. But it's strongly suggested that Freeza was more powerful than before, which is what I believe.

He was, but not by 20 million. That's absurd. If Trunks was around Goku on Namek, he wouldn't have been so confident, or really able to kill Freeza with the ease that he did. Provided the power increase for Freeza was as much as you say it is.

[Savage68]

Do I have to mention the battle powers listed on movie 3?

I don't know. That's up to you. If supplementary movie info doesn't make sense when applied to the movie, which one are you going to choose?

[Nazi Cola]

Salza's line implies Goku fought them at full-power though.

Which line?

[Kid Buu]

Do I have to mention the battle powers listed on movie 3?

I don't know. That's up to you. If supplementary movie info doesn't make sense when applied to the movie, which one are you going to choose?

I'm curious Savage, where do you rank Metal Cooler in all of this then?

[Savage68]

Somewhere on a level commensurate to Perfect Cell's suppressed state.

[Kid Buu]

Somewhere on a level commensurate to Perfect Cell's suppressed state.

Really? I've always had Movie 6 to take place around early Android arc, and have Metal Cooler as Android arc SSJ tier. I'm curious to hear your reasoning. Do you think Movie 6 takes place Cell Games era then?

[Savage68]

Movie 6 is apart of Movie 5's continuity. Since I believe the battle powers in Movie 5 to be super-duper high (compared to those of their canon counterparts), they should carry right on over to Movie 6. And in Movie 6, everyone's stronger than they were before and whatnot. It is supposed to fit into the early Android arc, though.

[Kid Buu]

Movie 6 is apart of Movie 5's continuity. Since I believe the battle powers in Movie 5 to be super-duper high (compared to those of their canon counterparts), they should carry right on over to Movie 6. And in Movie 6, everyone's stronger than they were before and whatnot. It is supposed to fit into the early Android arc, though.

So early Android arc movie 6 Goku can hold his own against Suppressed Cell?

It's been a while since I've seen the Cooler films, I gotta rewatch them.

[mysticboy]

Trunks should be able to pull a win.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Hmm, how is this even up for debate? Trunks wins hands down...he has a magic sword.
(Stupid Movie 13 implications + King Cold FTC...for the chuckle.)

[Senzu_Bean]

I don't know. That's up to you. If supplementary movie info doesn't make sense when applied to the movie, which one are you going to choose?

But in this case the supplementary info can be applied to the movie. You just don't have to apply the movie into the main storyline, which why I mentioned movie 3's battle powers.

Salza's line implies Goku fought them at full-power though.

Which line?

That they will make him fight all-out and there is no reason to someone at three times over a million holding back against three guys bellow 200,000 to a degree he is actually losing.

The movies follow key points of the main storyline. This is pretty evident in movie 5 - Goku fights the second strongest, is beaten up, get a Zenkai, is now match to the main enemy and then goes Super Saiyan. That is the reason I place Goku somewhat above 180,000 pre-Zenkai (and over 3,000,000 post). For whatever reason Piccolo is stronger than everybody else in the movie but that is another story.

[Nazi Cola]

That they will make him fight all-out and there is no reason to someone at three times over a million holding back against three guys bellow 200,000 to a degree he is actually losing.

The movies follow key points of the main storyline. This is pretty evident in movie 5 - Goku fights the second strongest, is beaten up, get a Zenkai, is now match to the main enemy and then goes Super Saiyan. That is the reason I place Goku somewhat above 180,000 pre-Zenkai (and over 3,000,000 post). For whatever reason Piccolo is stronger than everybody else in the movie but that is another story.

A guy with a BP of (presumably, by this point) over 3,000,000 wouldn't have to go all out though. And I don't think he was losing. He was handling them well, in my opinion. Though I do find it odd that he struggled to hold back Salza's chi blast, I guess.

You make a good point that Movie 5 does seem to follow the same pattern that happened on Namek, but it just doesn't make sense as to why Goku would be weaker against Cooler than he was against Freeza. I mean, the Freeza fight happened, we're told this, so logically Goku should be above 3,000,000 from the get-go. I just don't see how he went from 3,000,000 down to somewhat above 180,000 in a year or so. I don't know, might just be me though.

[Senzu_Bean]

In the Slug movie they also fought Freeza yet Goku and co. are nowhere near the level they are after Namek.

I don't know about you but I already gave up in placing the movies on the main storyline.

[Savage68]

Dore wasn't stronger than Sauza, either, so that blows those battle powers' credibility to heck. And in Movie 4, the Namek arc hadn't even been finished yet (hence why they're barely at that point in Movie 5). No one's trying to place the movies into the canon timeline, since obviously, none of them would make any sense. Still doesn't mean that they take place in an entirely previous arc because of some self-contradicting BP listings.

[Senzu_Bean]

Still doesn't mean that they take place in an entirely previous arc because of some self-contradicting BP listings.

I have no idea what you're talking about here but it doesn't matter. We both have different but acceptable views about this. Lets end it here.

[Savage68]

I have no idea what you're talking about here but it doesn't matter.

Dore wasn't stronger than Sauza, either, so that blows those battle powers' credibility to heck.