Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Heatth]

Godfather is a Christian tradition? I had no idea. I suppose it sounds obviously Cristian in English (godfather and all), but at last in Portuguese the correlation is not as obvious (the word is a variation of 'little father'). Looking in the French text, the word 'parrain' doesn't seem obviously religious either, so it is possible the authors didn't realized the religious aspect as well.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Godfather is a Christian tradition? I had no idea. I suppose it sounds obviously Cristian in English (godfather and all), but at last in Portuguese the correlation is not as obvious (the word is a variation of 'little father'). Looking in the French text, the word 'parrain' doesn't seem obviously religious either, so it is possible the authors didn't realized the religious aspect as well.

The French word is also used in religious contexts:


http://french.about.com/od/vocabulary/g/parrain.htm

[Puto]

but at last in Portuguese the correlation is not as obvious (the word is a variation of 'little father')

Not exactly. "Padrinho" looks closer to a variation of "Padre" (Priest) than "Pai" (Father), imo.

[Hellspawn28]

Tenshinhan in normal clothes, thats something you don't see every day .

(they should be 13 and 14 now, I believe).

Goten would be 11 since he was seven years old during the Buu saga, and Pan was born four years later.

[Heatth]

Tenshinhan in normal clothes, thats something you don't see every day .

(they should be 13 and 14 now, I believe).

Goten would be 11 since he was seven years old during the Buu saga, and Pan was born four years later.

Didn't Pan born 6 years latter? She is four in the epilogue and it is set 10 years latter don't?

Not exactly. "Padrinho" looks closer to a variation of "Padre" (Priest) than "Pai" (Father), imo.

Well, 'padre' also means 'father' so... Well, I guess you may be right. However, the religious implication is not so immediately obvious as in English.

(PS: you are from Portugal right? Do you have any idea of how your nick sounds for us, Brazilians? :p)

The French word is also used in religious contexts:


http://french.about.com/od/vocabulary/g/parrain.htm

Of course. But that is not what am am questioning. I am wondering if the word 'parrain' is immediately obviously religious sounding, like godfather. Even if there is a religious context in the past, for a non religious person today, the word may not sound religious at all. Like me, who never give a second thought to the word 'padrinho' (Portuguese for godfather) until today. For me it was just a word for 'person who is designed to take care of the children after the death of the parents'. I am supposing Salagir just thought the same about 'parrain'.

[Dayspring]

Of course. But that is not what am am questioning. I am wondering if the word 'parrain' is immediately obviously religious sounding, like godfather. Even if there is a religious context in the past, for a non religious person today, the word may not sound religious at all. Like me, who never give a second thought to the word 'padrinho' (Portuguese for godfather) until today. For me it was just a word for 'person who is designed to take care of the children after the death of the parents'. I am supposing Salagir just thought the same about 'parrain'.

It's literally the French word for "godfather," but like in English these days, it's rarely meant to denote anything religious anymore (even though it's clearly a Judeo-Christian term in origin).

Is anybody else confused by what Gohan says in the last panel? Why would Goten be too shy to ask and why would Chichi be against it? Also, is he not asking directly anyway? Meanwhile, it's a perfect translation.

Goten's response in French is "Hunh?!" though, while the card says "The Son Family," not "Son's family".

[rereboy]

Of course. But that is not what am am questioning. I am wondering if the word 'parrain' is immediately obviously religious sounding, like godfather. Even if there is a religious context in the past, for a non religious person today, the word may not sound religious at all. Like me, who never give a second thought to the word 'padrinho' (Portuguese for godfather) until today. For me it was just a word for 'person who is designed to take care of the children after the death of the parents'. I am supposing Salagir just thought the same about 'parrain'.

It's literally the French word for "godfather," but like in English these days, it's rarely meant to denote anything religious anymore (even though it's clearly a Judeo-Christian term in origin).

Is anybody else confused by what Gohan says in the last panel? Why would Goten be too shy to ask and why would Chichi be against it? Also, is he not asking directly anyway? Meanwhile, it's a perfect translation.

Goten's response in French is "Hunh?!" though, while the card says "The Son Family," not "Son's family".

Aren`t you forgetting that Piccolo used to be evil and that he kidnapped Gohan for a whole year when he was 4 years old? Of course Chi-chi doesnt like him all that much, even if he has changed.

[gotensottile]

This thread has 291 pages.

[Kaboom]

This thread has 291 pages.

One for each episode of the Z anime, eh? Interesting observation.

Somewhat off-topic, though.

[Heatth]

It's literally the French word for "godfather," but like in English these days, it's rarely meant to denote anything religious anymore (even though it's clearly a Judeo-Christian term in origin).

I know what parrain means. What I am wodnering is if it is obviously a religious word, like the English godfather. You know the word is obviously Judeo-Christian because of the 'god' in it. Is the same in French.

Is anybody else confused by what Gohan says in the last panel? Why would Goten be too shy to ask and why would Chichi be against it? Also, is he not asking directly anyway? Meanwhile, it's a perfect translation.

You got it wrong. Gohan was saying he wanted Piccolo to be Goten's godfather (when Goten born, presumably), but Chichi hadn't agreed.

[Dayspring]

It's literally the French word for "godfather," but like in English these days, it's rarely meant to denote anything religious anymore (even though it's clearly a Judeo-Christian term in origin).

I know what parrain means. What I am wodnering is if it is obviously a religious word, like the English godfather. You know the word is obviously Judeo-Christian because of the 'god' in it. Is the same in French.

That's my point. It isn't fair to say "godfather" is a religious word these days. For example, I'm a godfather to a child who will be raised in an atheist family and am myself an atheist. A parrain literally is a "godfather," so it shares the same root-origins as godfather does.

Is anybody else confused by what Gohan says in the last panel? Why would Goten be too shy to ask and why would Chichi be against it? Also, is he not asking directly anyway? Meanwhile, it's a perfect translation.

You got it wrong. Gohan was saying he wanted Piccolo to be Goten's godfather (when Goten born, presumably), but Chichi hadn't agreed.

Oooooooh! I thought he was still talking about Pan. Thanks for clearing that up!

[Heatth]

That's my point. It isn't fair to say "godfather" is a religious word these days. For example, I'm a godfather to a child who will be raised in an atheist family and am myself an atheist. A parrain literally is a "godfather," so it shares the same root-origins as godfather does.

I don't know if 'godfather' is religious today or not. That is not related to my point. Whether it is religious or not does not change the fact the word 'godfather' has obvious roots in Judeo-Christian religion, thanks to the 'god' in the word godfather. Even if someone does not use it with religious meaning anymore, they can easily see the relation. Seeing the relation it is easy to question if Japan has a similar tradition and, therefore, if Dragon Ball World has it as well.

However, I don't think 'parrain' is so obviously Judeo-Christian (am I wrong?). That way, for some not religious person, the original meaning of the word can be easily overlooked, leading that person to conclude the concept of 'godfather' is just as natural in any culture, the same way the concept of 'father' is. Do you see what I mean? I am just saying this because Piccolo Daimaoh was complaining about the use of the word 'godfather'. I was pointing that in French the word is (probably) less obviously tied to religion then in English to the point Salagir may never even considered it to be a religious tradition.

[Innagadadavida]

I don't know if 'godfather' is religious today or not. That is not related to my point. Whether it is religious or not does not change the fact the word 'godfather' has obvious roots in Judeo-Christian religion, thanks to the 'god' in the word godfather. Even if someone does not use it with religious meaning anymore, they can easily see the relation. Seeing the relation it is easy to question if Japan has a similar tradition and, therefore, if Dragon Ball World has it as well.

Half the cast of Dragon Ball are not even from Earth. Moreover, Toriyama said the most used language of the Dragon World was English [citation needed].

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I don't know if 'godfather' is religious today or not.

It is. I understand what you mean when you said that "parrain", isn't a overly-religious word in French. However, "godfather" has strong religious connotations in English. That was what I was complaining about.

[rereboy]

Interesting... they changed the third panel to something better.

[Great Saiyaman I]

Interesting... they changed the third panel to something better.

It looks a heckuva lot better. Except Yamcha. I don't know what could've made him so ugly in like, 2 or 3 years.

[Scarz]

Interesting... they changed the third panel to something better.

Maybe the artist wasn't satisfied with the original panel and decided to change it. Or maybe they were too many complaints from the fans and the artist had no choice but to change it. It's probably the former.



Oh, Vegetto. I almost forgot you are two terrible fathers in one.

[TonyTheTiger]

Oh, Vegetto. I almost forgot you are two terrible fathers in one.

It's funny because it's true.

I like Piccolo in this.

[Dayspring]

I don't know if 'godfather' is religious today or not.

It is. I understand what you mean when you said that "parrain", isn't a overly-religious word in French. However, "godfather" has strong religious connotations in English. That was what I was complaining about.

Context, my friend. It's like saying "gyp" is offensive in today's language. Of course it is, but we still use it because it's connotation has changed so much that it's also not offensive at all. It no longer means "he screwed me over by acting like a Gypsy," it just means "he screwed me over."

It's the same context with "godfather." Its origins mean "designated guardian in the eyes of God should the actual guardians die," but it's almost exclusively used today solely as "designated guardian should the actual guardians die." The reason being that "godfather" is a term, so it just got appropriated. You wouldn't say "guardian" or "caretaker" as an alternative, you would specifically say "godfather," which is why I am one despite being an atheist and the associated family all atheists as well.

This is the point I'm making with parrain. It's not being used in a religious connotation, but he is literally saying "godfather." If you feel "godfather" is inherently religious regardless of what I say, then so is parrain. Why? Because it is the French word for "godfather." It's like saying "Jesus Christ" vs Jésus Christe; it's the exact same thing, just in another language.

[Dayspring]

Oh wow. Videl said Pan could be a great (meaning important/influencial) government official or a dancer or a romance novelist. Did anybody else just picture pan as either a governor, a governor's escort-stripper or as someone writing the fictional biography of a governor and his escort-stipper?

You probably already figured this out, but Vegetto's referring to the ROSAT. In French, it's called la salle de l'esprit et du temps and he said la salle du temps. Basically he shortened it by removing the "SA" from "ROSAT."