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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by mysticboy » Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:25 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
mysticboy wrote:That Goku taught Gohan the Kaioken during the 10 year break.
1.Think Chi-Chi would allow Goku to teach Gohan a technique that can literally obliterate his body if used incorrectly?2. Do you think Gohan would have the patience to learn it?

3.On that note, I wonder if the Kaioken would be compatible with the powerup the Old Kai gave him? Talk about devastation.
1. No. But it's been a lot of stuff Chi-Chi disallowed, but has happened any way.
2. Doubt it. But hell, it could be nice to know.
3. I guess it could. I mean, the technique rises the power level and has nothing to do with hidden potential. Right?

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Godo » Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:34 pm

I don't think that Kaio-ken is necessary with Gohan's rage outbursts. I mean, he could generate a power several times stronger than himself without it, and without any damage whatsoever on his body.
I mean, you only use Kaio-ken at dire situations, and at those situations, Gohan becomes enraged anyways.
I doubt that he has the mental stability to be able to focus to use it during a fight, since it needs a massive amount of concentration.

I am not saying that he wasn't taught it, though. I mean, it would be a good asset for Gohan. I am just speaking about it's usefulness. :wink:

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Rocketman » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:02 pm

ChiChi and Yamcha couldn't have had an affair because Yamcha has no dick.

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Innagadadavida » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:08 pm

Rocketman wrote:ChiChi and Yamcha couldn't have had an affair because Yamcha has no dick.
But Chi-Chi does.

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Makaioshin » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:21 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
On that note, I wonder if the Kaioken would be compatible with the powerup the Old Kai gave him? Talk about devastation.
I don't see why it wouldn't be. It might take Gohan longer to get used to even the first stage of Kaio-ken since his body is apparently already holding even more than what it had the potential to.

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Kaboom » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:29 pm

Well, it depends on how Kaio-Ken really works. That extra power has to come from somewhere.

If, like myself and a few others, you believe that Kaio-Ken taps into and forces out some amount of "hidden power" to fuel itself (and as that extra reserve grows, higher KK levels are reachable), then Gohan wouldn't be able to use it, because all his current "hidden power" has already been drawn out.

If you instead think that it just focuses or amplifies the Ki that one already has, then he may be able to use it.
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Rocketman » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:36 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
Rocketman wrote:ChiChi and Yamcha couldn't have had an affair because Yamcha has no dick.
But Chi-Chi does.
Someone in the family has to.

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Perfect » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:39 pm

Rocketman wrote:
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Rocketman wrote:ChiChi and Yamcha couldn't have had an affair because Yamcha has no dick.
But Chi-Chi does.
Someone in the family has to.
Raditz did, why else would Nappa be attracted to him?
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Kid Buu » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:41 pm

Perfect wrote: Raditz did, why else would Nappa be attracted to him?
Nappa always did seem upset that Raditz wasn't resurrected...imagine the conversation.

Nappa: How the hell did you die?
Raditz: ....there was two of them!
Nappa: You were stronger then the two of them combined!
Raditz: ...there was also that little boy....
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Suupaa Gohan 2 » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:45 pm

I don't think the Kaiouken works by drawing on any hidden power. Given the fact that it strains the body and can potentially kill you, I think it draws on your life force itself, which in the DBVerse seems to be something different than Ki. Even at maximum power (ex. Ultimate Gohan), you could still use the Kaiouken...the question is, why would you? The point of the attack is that it's meant to be a last-ditch effort, a trump card, a do-not-use-unless-absolutely-necessary ability. Actually, seems both of Kaioh's techniques share this principle. That makes me think hidden power has nothing to do with it. With Gohan's power unlocked completely, he should still on principle be able to use the Kaiouken with the same risks posed, only obviously handle much more than a 20x before hitting his limit.

That being said, I don't think Gokou would have ever taught it to him. Best point in the series for him to have done so would have been the 3 years preparing for the Androids, and he obviously didn't know it then. After that point the technique faded out of use for the most part, replaced by endless stages of Super Saiyajin taking over the series. It's not that it wouldn't have still been useful, but since Toriyama-Sensei (and by extension, the characters) had largely forgotten about it, I find it really unlikely that Gokou would have randomly taught it to his son near the end portion of the series. If anyone else were to have learned the Kaiouken it would have been Tenshinhan, Yamcha and co. from Kaioh himself, but once again, because Toriyama-Sensei stopped giving a shit about anything that wasn't a Super Saiyajin, that was sadly potential that never came about in the series.

Personally I'd love it if at least Tenshinhan learned the Kaiouken. He was my favorite character in the original DB largely because his techniques were so varied and inventive. It'd have made an awesome addition to his repertoire, and maybe actually made him useful again.
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by mysticboy » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:07 pm

Suupaa Gohan 2 wrote: That being said, I don't think Goku would have ever taught it to him. Best point in the series for him to have done so would have been the 3 years preparing for the Androids, and he obviously didn't know it then. After that point the technique faded out of use for the most part, replaced by endless stages of Super Saiyajin taking over the series. It's not that it wouldn't have still been useful, but since Toriyama-Sensei (and by extension, the characters) had largely forgotten about it, I find it really unlikely that Goku would have randomly taught it to his son near the end portion of the series. If anyone else were to have learned the Kaiouken it would have been Tenshinhan, Yamcha and co. from Kaioh himself, but once again, because Toriyama-Sensei stopped giving a shit about anything that wasn't a Super Saiyajin, that was sadly potential that never came about in the series.
Agreed. If only Toriyama didn't forget about it...

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Perfect » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:11 pm

Good 'ol filler brought the Kaio-ken back (Cell/Buu).

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Because people don't see something later on and automatically assume it was forgotten about it, when that certain something isn't really forgotten about.
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Rocketman » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:13 pm

What makes y'all think Toriyama forgot about it (at first, obviously) instead of discarding it because it's really not a good technique?

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Kid Buu » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:15 pm

Rocketman wrote:What makes y'all think Toriyama forgot about it (at first, obviously) instead of discarding it because it's really not a good technique?
It managed to fool Captain Ginyu. :lol:
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by AgitoZ » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:17 pm

Rocketman wrote:What makes y'all think Toriyama forgot about it (at first, obviously) instead of discarding it because it's really not a good technique?
Well Eiichirō Oda seems to like it...
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Kid Buu » Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:08 pm

I believe that Android 19 is really Chiaotzu's daddy and one day a spinoff called Android 19: The Secret Life of Chiaotzu's father will emerge.

The Ginyu Force can also summon their own Megazord but did not think they would need it on Namek which is why they did not use it.
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Post by Attitudefan » Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:30 pm

Tien became just as strong as Goku due to his strict training. Then Tien killed Vegeta; later challenging Goku to a 3rd rematch! Yeah.... only in dreams I guess.
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by caejones » Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:25 am

Kid Buu wrote: The Ginyu Force can also summon their own Megazord but did not think they would need it on Namek which is why they did not use it.
... And parts from it were used in rebuilding Freeza, and Bebi stole the rest to build the Sigma Force. :)
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:09 pm

I still think Tenshinhan is the strongest human IMO. Seeing that he was able to blast Buu in half and hold off Semi-Perfect Cell then I don't see how Krillin is stated to be stronger then him?
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:34 pm

Suupaa Gohan 2 wrote:That's actually similar to an (extremely minor) aspect of my fic universe as well; since it takes place a few months after Goku leaves at the end of Z, Bulma - so insulted by Goku's remarks on her looking like an old lady, considering this is Bulma we're talking about - finds some opportunity to gather the Dragonballs offscreen (or y'know, maybe force her husband and children to do the dirty work for her), and wish herself young (Cell-Buu age, be a little more on par with Vegeta's appearance) again. This is mostly just because A) I despise her end-of-DBZ design and B) it feels like such an in-character thing for Bulma to do, IMO.

I always thought Chi-Chi looks remarkably younger in that one filler episode, too, especially since she seemed to look pretty much the same (very slightly older in the Buu arc) for all of the Z series. I thought it was just to suit her 'housewife' persona, and it makes sense since she seems to 'let loose' a lot more in that party episode...because...it's a party. So Chi-Chi probably isn't really as...homely, for lack of a better word...as she usually looks, it's just the style she chooses, especially since her husband is the last guy in the world who cares about appearance. Her outfits probably just work in the same way to de-emphasize her breasts (ironic, given the name), so Bulma is always assumed to be the 'larger' of the two, but the party episode might actually be realis...
Yeah, I agree. I think Bulma would've gotten Trunks to search for the Dragon Balls, then wished to make herself look younger, or even better than that, never age. I don't like her end-of-Z design either, and it does feel like a in-character thing for Bulma to do. Doesn't Bulma even say in the manga that the next time she finds the Dragon Balls, she's going to ask Shenlong to make her look younger?

Anyway, if you want to know what Chi-Chi looks like before the end of Z, look at her 23rd Tenka'ichi Budokai self. She certainly wasn't a housewife then. I don't think her outfits de-emphasize her breasts though, since Goku says that she's flat-chested, and, being her husband and all, he's most likely seen her naked more than once. I think that party episode is actually what Chi-Chi looks like after Boo was destroyed.
Hellspawn28 wrote:I still think Tenshinhan is the strongest human IMO. Seeing that he was able to blast Buu in half and hold off Semi-Perfect Cell then I don't see how Krillin is stated to be stronger then him?
Well, those aren't really good arguments. He didn't blast Majin Boo in half; that was Son Goku, who cut him in half with a Kienzan. Tenshinhan eradicated the attack he was using to destroy Earth with a Ki-Kô-Hô, but Kuririn has likely stopped training by then (he'd stopped shaving his head after the fighting stopped, a martial arts discipline that he had upheld ever since his first appearance, hinting that he'd retired from martial arts altogether). And he was only able to hold off Cell using a technique: the Shin Ki-Kô-Hô, which is much more powerful than himself (and it even baffles me now that Tenshinhan can generate an attack of that power, enough to hold off someone even #16 couldn't beat).

I believe that Kuririn is stronger than Tenshinhan post-Saiyan arc because he had his potential drawn out by the Great Elder, which I think keeps him ahead of Tenshinhan until he stops training and settles down by the Boo arc, whereas Tenshinhan is still training fiercely with Chaozu out in the mountains. Also, it's partly because of Yamcha's comment in the Boo arc that Kuririn is the strongest "among humans". The only thing he'd have to base his opinion on is from the last time they all fought, in the Cell Games, since no-one knows where Tenshinhan has been for the last seven years and Yamcha doesn't even know what either of them are doing anyway. Tenshinhan is definitely stronger than Kuririn before the Saiyan arc, though.
Suupaa Gohan 2 wrote:That being said, I don't think Goku would have ever taught it to him. Best point in the series for him to have done so would have been the 3 years preparing for the Androids, and he obviously didn't know it then. After that point the technique faded out of use for the most part, replaced by endless stages of Super Saiyajin taking over the series. It's not that it wouldn't have still been useful, but since Toriyama-Sensei (and by extension, the characters) had largely forgotten about it, I find it really unlikely that Goku would have randomly taught it to his son near the end portion of the series. If anyone else were to have learned the Kaiouken it would have been Tenshinhan, Yamcha and co. from Kaioh himself, but once again, because Toriyama-Sensei stopped giving a shit about anything that wasn't a Super Saiyajin, that was sadly potential that never came about in the series.
Yeah, and besides, I don't think Goku would've even considered it useful, since his main focus now was Super Saiyan, and teaching Gohan Kaiô-Ken would've been a waste, especially since it's an inherently flawed technique itself. For all we know, Goku could've been training Gohan to become a Super Saiyan, just not in the same focused way he did in the Room of Spirit and Time (standing there telling Gohan to "get mad").
Rocketman wrote:ChiChi and Yamcha couldn't have had an affair because Yamcha has no dick.
Yamcha sure does have a dick. How do you think he scored with Bulma and got so much female attention?
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