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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by dbgtFO » Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:57 pm

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dbgtFO wrote:Also if he chooses it to be his fanon, that Trunks' sword used to belong to "whiny little bitch" :lol: then I'm okay with that, as it makes sense on some level, that Gohan would pass on his sword to Trunks
To convert Gohan's sword into what Trunks uses would require it to be completely melted down and reforged with more metal added. It's not the same sword anymore after that.
Oh damn it all then. :x I'll just leave the sword discussion and let the pros handle it instead then :wink:

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by nathantheguitarist » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:04 pm

Pros don't need to handle it. Everyone in the future had swords. :| It's... not... hard... to understand...
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by dbgtFO » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:08 pm

nathantheguitarist wrote:Pros don't need to handle it. Everyone in the future had swords. :| It's... not... hard... to understand...
Yeah, but that was an anime only sequence right? Although it wouldn't be weird, if it was the same in the manga, as the citizens are afterall facing an unimaginable threat in the form of two young bored people.

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by nathantheguitarist » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:17 pm

It may be anime only, but then so is Movie 13. Gohan giving him a sword is also pretty much baseless, other than the fact that he used to have a (completely different) sword.

If Tapion and Hildegarn DID come to the future where Trunks came from, then Hildegarn probably would've killed everything anyways.

-Tapion's sword to main time-line Trunks: yes (if you so choose).

-Future Trunks' sword coming from anywhere other than, "Hey, lets make swords": no (unless your fanon likes to override the obvious).

I don't think there's anything like that scene in the manga. I don't know though. Still, it's not some big thing to try and grasp.
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by dbgtFO » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:28 pm

nathantheguitarist wrote:It may be anime only, but then so is Movie 13. Gohan giving him a sword is also pretty much baseless, other than the fact that he used to have a (completely different) sword.

If Tapion and Hildegarn DID come to the future where Trunks came from, then Hildegarn probably would've killed everything anyways.

-Tapion's sword to main time-line Trunks: yes (if you so choose).

-Future Trunks' sword coming from anywhere other than, "Hey, lets make swords": no (unless your fanon likes to override the obvious).

I don't think there's anything like that scene in the manga. I don't know though. Still, it's not some big thing to try and grasp.
Well this is a fanon thread, so anything is allowed for how you will explain certain unexpanded aspects of the show. And I don't want to go any further than that, since it isn't even my fanon, we are debating.

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Kaboom » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:47 pm

Trunks' sword could easily have come from Tapion, with a little fan-created conjecture.

Hoi somehow managed to release Minoshia without a wish to Shenlong, so once he tracked Tapion's box to Earth, he very may well have managed to release him as well. It may have just taken more time than if he'd gotten to use Shenlong as a shortcut.

So maybe by the time he tracked down Tapion and figured out a way to release him, Earth had already been terrorized by the Androids for years. Tapion manages to escape Hoi and hide, but eventually meets a young Trunks, who befriends him after recently losing his very-similar friend and master, Gohan.

Eventually though, Hoi catches up to them and starts trying to force out Hildegarn's top half from Tapion. Tapion uses the flute to seal him back up, but much like with the even-younger Trunks in Movie 13, then offers his sword and asks Trunks to kill him in order to destroy Hildegarn. This time, Trunks has no choice but to oblige. With Tapion and Hildegarn's top half gone, Hildegarn's bottom half under Hoi's control dies as well. Trunks then promptly kills Hoi as well, and keeps Tapion's sword.


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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Godo » Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:08 pm

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Godo wrote: Not so say that they would be totally unnecessary as fusion candidates...I still believe that Saiya-jins were under five millions in their base at the Buu Arc. !).
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Well, it's simple. Goku with a base of 3,000,000 became 150,000,000 in SSJ. All the training he did after that was to refine the SSJ forms, and achieving higher forms.
In other words, increasing your strength was only possible by becoming used to the SSJ forms, something Goku also did with MSSJ.
So it's unreasonable that the Saiya-jins were stronger than 5,000,000 in base, since they trained at Earth without any new methods. So in other words, any power increase would be slim.

I'll borrow your list, since I think that it was a nifty idea and I'll add my own fanon thoughts! :)

1. No unfused base Saiya-Jin ever surpassed Freeza's 15% 4th form's power, except for Gohan with the unlocking of his potential. So Piccolo would have won the 25th TB, and he would even have won against Kaioshin if he didn't chicken out about titles and shit.

2. No earthlings ever went beyond 5 million, only Tenshinhan with his KiKoHo is able to surpass that wall with a power rivaling Imperfect Cell's (even though it makes one wonder how Tenshinhan had all that power in his body).

3. Piccolo(Buu arc) at his max would surpass a Cell Jr. and be a little weaker than Perfect Cell or just as strong.

4. Dabra at his max would be slightly weaker than Perfect Cell's max power.

5. Both 19 and 20 are weaker than 100% Freeza, until they start absorbing ki.

6. Base Gotenks is about one third of Fat Buu's power.

7. SSJ Gotenks is much stronger than SSJ 2 Goku.

8. Base Vegetto is at least as strong as SSJ3 Goku.

9. Strongest unfused good guys: "Ultimate" Gohan > SSJ 3 Gotenks > SSJ 3 Goku(dead)> SSJ 3 Goku(alive and unable to reach full power).

10. Strongest character ever is SSJ Vegetto, and he will not be surpassed even in DBGT, since all characters are severely weakened.

And a DBGT list too:

1. Goku in base has mastered the SSJ3, and is not very much stronger than the end of DBZ, since he has put his time into training Oob. That was why he left. To find an opponent to fight against, since he could't get any stronger.

2. Oob is not that strong at all. I believe that when he fuses with Mr. Buu, his potential is released so that he becomes strong enough to fight Baby Vegeta. His strength is equal to Super Boo's, just like logic dictates.

3. Baby Vegeta's strength surpassed Super Buu's with maybe 3/4. SSJ4 thus surpasses the strength of Super Buu's with about 2/3.

4. Gohan transforming is crap. But bypassing that, his SSJ strength is about 1,5 billions. Goten's SSJ power is around 300,000,000. Trunks' SSJ power is around 375,000,000.

5. Vegeta's strength at SSJ2 was equal to Goku's SSJ2 strength. In fact, Kid Goku would have the disadvantage in a fight between them, since he had lower stamina. But then, of course, SSJ2 doesn't exist in DBGT, since Toei don't know their facts.

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by nathantheguitarist » Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:15 pm

Kaboom wrote:Trunks' sword could easily have come from Tapion, with a little fan-created conjecture.

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Oh Kaboom, you crazy fanfic writer you. :P

Ok, I guess someone can believe something along those lines, and then disregard the anime scene... Or hell, maybe Trunks had Bulma make replicas for the survivors! :idea:
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by dbgtFO » Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:38 pm

@Godo While I agree they don't make much progress in base, I just consider 5 mil too low, but moving on to your list.
1-5 I agree with the most of it.

6 I really don't know where to properly rank him, one would assume he displayed a lot of power even bigger than Piccolo himself explaining everyones astonisment.

7 Yeah, in total disagreement about that one :P

8 Like base Gotenks I don't know where to properly rank him either, but Buuhan seemed pretty surprised in the one panel showing his reaction to the fusion.

9 I believe Super Buu was holding back against Gotenks explaining his dialouge to Gohan about him feeling a large power growing. Or maybe he just meant he could turn them all into candy and defeat his opponent that way?

10 I agree completely!

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Attitudefan » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:11 pm

dbgtFO wrote:@Godo While I agree they don't make much progress in base, I just consider 5 mil too low, but moving on to your list.
1-5 I agree with the most of it.

6 I really don't know where to properly rank him, one would assume he displayed a lot of power even bigger than Piccolo himself explaining everyones astonisment.

7 Yeah, in total disagreement about that one :P

8 Like base Gotenks I don't know where to properly rank him either, but Buuhan seemed pretty surprised in the one panel showing his reaction to the fusion.

9 I believe Super Buu was holding back against Gotenks explaining his dialouge to Gohan about him feeling a large power growing. Or maybe he just meant he could turn them all into candy and defeat his opponent that way?

10 I agree completely!
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Saimaroimaru » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:20 pm

Godo wrote:
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Godo wrote: Not so say that they would be totally unnecessary as fusion candidates...I still believe that Saiya-jins were under five millions in their base at the Buu Arc. !).
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Oh great power level discussion. I thought anything beyond the Frieza Saga was taboo on here in terms of powerlevels.

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Godo » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:54 am

Saimaroimaru wrote: Oh great power level discussion. I thought anything beyond the Freeza Saga was taboo on here in terms of powerlevels.
Eh, except for DBGT, where did you see unofficial power levels in my post?...
And for the record, powerlevels aren't frowned upon here. We even have a thread for them: http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... =6&t=14197

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:33 am

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Saimaroimaru wrote: Oh great power level discussion. I thought anything beyond the Freeza Saga was taboo on here in terms of powerlevels.
Eh, except for DBGT, where did you see unofficial power levels in my post?...
And for the record, powerlevels aren't frowned upon here. We even have a thread for them: http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... =6&t=14197
The only difference is that, unlike the old MFG forums, we don't obsess over them, have multiple fan-made battle power list threads or have a section dedicated to "Who's stronger than who?" threads.
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Duo » Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:39 pm

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Godo wrote:
Saimaroimaru wrote: Oh great power level discussion. I thought anything beyond the Freeza Saga was taboo on here in terms of powerlevels.
Eh, except for DBGT, where did you see unofficial power levels in my post?...
And for the record, powerlevels aren't frowned upon here. We even have a thread for them: http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... =6&t=14197
The only difference is that, unlike the old MFG forums, we don't obsess over them, have multiple fan-made battle power list threads or have a section dedicated to "Who's stronger than who?" threads.
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

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Godo wrote:And for the record, powerlevels aren't frowned upon here. We even have a thread for them: http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... =6&t=14197
The only difference is that, unlike the old MFG forums, we don't obsess over them, have multiple fan-made battle power list threads or have a section dedicated to "Who's stronger than who?" threads.
Even after the place has closed down, someone has to bring up the bad memories...
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Titan » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:57 pm

Are you people still using the logic "they are only humans" to put the Earthlings at ridiculous battle powers of 30,000 or less?

No matter what training the Earthlings did, they always improved much more than Goku did. And in less time. That logic is fucked up.
Well said!
Goku was barely at 400 with that same training. You're supporting my view then.
Of course.
I'll agreenot with the language though :roll: The Earthlings by some magical way increased their powers to a level, that would destroy Goku even though they received the same training! And even more impressing, Goku had 3 years to get to + 924, while Tenshinhan and the others only had less than a year! And Krillin is at least above that even in his suppressed state(shown when Nappa scouts Krillin, Piccolo and Gohan, the lowest BP was 981).
And then of course we have Piccolo who apparently got stronger than Nail's 42.000 or stronger than the other warrior Namekians in less than 6 days, wihle Goku used 6 months to increase his Maximum power by less than 10 times.
So why can't Tenshinhan and maybe Yamcha have such a giant increase, when they stayed with King Kai longer than Goku did?
So why can't Tenshinhan and maybe Yamcha have such a giant increase, when they stayed with King Kai longer than Goku did? Nothing!IMO they also had a giant increase after that training like in the previous ones.
Sparring partners had nothing to do with it or else the humans would never split apart after learning a new style or in the preparation for the android saga.
It would be easier to contact Toriyama's staff to have definitive answers.

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by dbgtFO » Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:45 am

About BP and why Goku's Kamehameha is more powerful, than his punches.
Battle Power is the measurement of a beings Ki output. It doesn't measure physical power and that is why Goku's BP was only 2 times larger than an ordinary earthling, because physically he is obviously a lot stronger.

Having a BP of say 416 doesn't mean that every punch you make contains that power, because BP measures the output your entire body is pouring out, and so the ki is spread throughout your body.
That is why using ki based techniques are more efficient, than punching and kicking, since you concentrate all that power in your body into one single point instead of unleashing several weaker punches and kicks.

This means that ki techniques aren't techniqually BP multipliers, that some people want everyone to believe. Goku being at 924 + was his own max power(probably even higher than that), and not something, that just comes out of nowhere.
For some reason, neither Goku nor Piccolo "powered up" against Raditz, which we already know they are capable of(Piccolo Daimao vs. Goku and 23rd. TB Goku vs Piccolo).

This is also why Vegeta's kick against Perfect Cell couldn't do shit, while his concentrated Final Flash almost killed him.

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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by the_abberration » Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:54 pm

I had this as a fanon back story on Dr. Gero.

After the fall of the Red Ribbon Army, Master Shen goes looking for his brother Tao Pai Pai. He finds him badly injured (after being blown up during his fight with Goku). Shen finds a burned picture of Goku near the site. He notices the turtle symbol on Goku’s shirt and concludes that whoever did this to his brother, was a disciple of his rival the Turtle Hermit. Shen returns and tells his students Tien and Chiaotzu that Tao was killed by a student of his old rival. The two plan to avenge Tao. Shen informs them that they will be able to do just that at the next tournament, which he is sure Goku will appear.

Secretly, Shen has sought out the leading authority on robotics (Dr. Gero) in an attempt to save his brother. Due to the Goku connection, he agrees to help Shen. Dr. Gero informs the hermit, that because of Tao’s strong will to live and battle power, he will be able to save him. Although it may take some time, since he is just experimenting with cybernetics.

Shen is fine with that, and offers Dr. Gero whatever zeni he needs to complete the job. Dr. Gero doesn’t want zeni, but wonders if Tao has any other sources of genetic material similar to his (other than Shen’s). Shen recalls that Tao may have had two sniveling brats somewhere. He says that Dr. Gero is more than happy to have them as Tao won’t mind since he turned his back on when they were born. The deal is made and Gero begins working on Tao.

Goku fights Tien at the 22nd tournament and earns his respect. This angers Shen, who returns to Dr. Gero. Gero assures him that his project will be finished in time for the next one. Tao enters the 23rd tournament to exact revenge on Goku, but is stopped by Tien. Dr. Gero (who is spying on Goku) sees that his cyborg failed, but plots to seek out the two children and continue his experiments. He looks at a picture of a dark haired boy and a blonde girl and chuckles to himself.
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:58 pm

the_abberration wrote:I had this as a fanon back story on Dr. Gero.

After the fall of the Red Ribbon Army, Master Shen goes looking for his brother Tao Pai Pai. He finds him badly injured (after being blown up during his fight with Goku). Shen finds a burned picture of Goku near the site. He notices the turtle symbol on Goku’s shirt and concludes that whoever did this to his brother, was a disciple of his rival the Turtle Hermit. Shen returns and tells his students Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu that Tao was killed by a student of his old rival. The two plan to avenge Tao. Shen informs them that they will be able to do just that at the next tournament, which he is sure Goku will appear.

Secretly, Shen has sought out the leading authority on robotics (Dr. Gero) in an attempt to save his brother. Due to the Goku connection, he agrees to help Shen. Dr. Gero informs the hermit, that because of Tao’s strong will to live and battle power, he will be able to save him. Although it may take some time, since he is just experimenting with cybernetics.

Shen is fine with that, and offers Dr. Gero whatever zeni he needs to complete the job. Dr. Gero doesn’t want zeni, but wonders if Tao has any other sources of genetic material similar to his (other than Shen’s). Shen recalls that Tao may have had two sniveling brats somewhere. He says that Dr. Gero is more than happy to have them as Tao won’t mind since he turned his back on when they were born. The deal is made and Gero begins working on Tao.

Goku fights Tenshinhan at the 22nd tournament and earns his respect. This angers Shen, who returns to Dr. Gero. Gero assures him that his project will be finished in time for the next one. Tao enters the 23rd tournament to exact revenge on Goku, but is stopped by Tenshinhan. Dr. Gero (who is spying on Goku) sees that his cyborg failed, but plots to seek out the two children and continue his experiments. He looks at a picture of a dark haired boy and a blonde girl and chuckles to himself.
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Re: Your inside "fanon" things

Post by dbgtFO » Wed Nov 03, 2010 2:01 pm

@the_abberration
Well, if you still have that fanon, then I must inform you that Shen didn't know of his brother being defeated or badly injured prior to the 22nd TB.

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