The Dragon Boxes WILL be Limited. (ANNCast Segment)

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Re: The Dragon Boxes WILL be Limited. (ANNCast Segment)

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Post by Levlik » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:34 pm

This actually really angers me. When the Dragon Boxes first arrived, I was still recouping my losses over the season sets (Something I spent well over $300 aquiring all nine seasons assuming, as many else did, that these would be the ONLY DVDs available for years to come). I still haven't bought a single Dragon Box because I simply don't have the money to spend on ANOTHER set of DVDs for a series I already own and just completed not even that long ago!

Like, yeah, it's great that the Dragon Boxes are available in the US to begin with, but it's a spit in the face to anyone who paid a pretty fair amount of money on an inferior product without ANY knowledge that the superior one would be coming out mere MONTHS after its completion.

And now I can't even get them to begin with. Yeah, thanks Funimation. It's this very reason I refused to purchase any Dragon Ball season past 1. I know if I go out and buy seasons 2 through 5 I'm going to be screwed over yet again with Funi bringing over THAT Dragon Box release. That's not a good business practice in my opinion. I mean, I would certainly love to own all of Dragon Ball, as it's my favorite anime series, but I'm not going to buy it twice like I'm going to have to do for Z.

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Post by TonyTheTiger » Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:25 am

Levlik wrote:Like, yeah, it's great that the Dragon Boxes are available in the US to begin with, but it's a spit in the face to anyone who paid a pretty fair amount of money on an inferior product without ANY knowledge that the superior one would be coming out mere MONTHS after its completion.
Look, I'm sympathetic to anybody who was bowled over with rage or confusion from the orange bricks. I was one of them. But anybody who bought them either knew or should have known what the product was, especially after buying one set, let alone all nine. So anybody who bought all nine volumes, that's really on them. We can blame FUNimation for putting out the product to begin with but we can't blame them for anybody's individual buying decisions.

I was probably more pissed off than anybody at the orange bricks. I never had the resources or the will to get all the singles. Even then, once the UUE was canceled there was up to that point no way to get the entire series, let alone in a consistent release. For years I was settling with watching the series on TV, via shitty Real Media files (remember those?), and through crappy looking fansubs on VHS once in a while. I bought the DVD movie singles and a few VHS tapes based on the episode release schedule in the off season, but overall the episodes I actually owned were random and inconsistent. That was pretty much the entirety of my Dragon Ball viewing since 1995/1996.

Prior to the days when full season DVD sets were the norm I never expected to ever actually own the entire run, ungodly long as it is. Once season sets became commonplace I waited with hopeful anticipation for perhaps the day we'd see the entire series on inexpensive box sets. I figured that was going to be when I finally got the series. Everything else was either incomplete, inconsistent, or just unwieldy and expensive. I couldn't do it any way outside of box sets.

Then the orange bricks hit. I saw the price for the first set and was floored by the value. My story is actually similar to GizmoKSX's here: http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/viewtopi ... 32#p409232.

I actually picked up the box in Best Buy and read the back only for "widescreen" to jump out at me. I was pretty confused, did some research, watched the trailer, and got immediately pissed off. The crappy remastering process only furthered cemented what I was thinking: I was never going to own the series. The only consistent release was just too messed up and I figured it wasn't ever going to be fixed.

As somebody who was more willing to never own the series than buy a busted up version, I can't blame FUNimation for anybody who bought the orange bricks feeling cheated. That's on them. They knew what they were buying and settled for it, even if like me they didn't expect a better release to come out.

Maybe it makes me "less" of a fan for not settling for the orange bricks at the time when they were apparently the final ultimate release but I was actually somewhat annoyed that more people weren't avoiding them. I was afraid that the great sales would just send the message that this shit was ok.

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Post by GizmoKSX » Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:20 am

FUNi can't really be blamed for the orange brick/Dragon Box release succession. The bricks were what they (mistakenly) thought was the best they could do at the time*, and from what we can tell, acquiring the DBox footage from Toei came as a surprise even to them. But I wouldn't be happy if I couldn't afford the DBoxes because I already threw my money at the company, especially if the DBoxes turn out to be legitimately limited. But I'm still not convinced that they're so limited, they'll be going for jacked-up prices on the used market.

Like Levlik, I'm not picking up the DB season sets right now, in case we get Dragon Box releases later. I'm not in a hurry, and if the orange brick availability is any indication, the blue bricks will still be around (and possibly a bit cheaper) after all hopes for a DB DBox are dashed.

*The technical aspects of the bricks are bad enough, but what really piss me off are the blatant lies in the marketing featurettes. I wouldn't be mad at FUNi for playing up the positives of the sets, but whoever was in charge of the "footage gained" crap and fake grain comparisons...*shakes fist*
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Post by james039 » Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:46 pm

I am not mad at anyone for supporting the orange bricks. The way I see it, Funimation would never have considered doing the Dragon Box release at all if the season sets weren't already selling high volume. That said, I stopped buying the orange bricks as soon as the Dragon Box was announced, and considering the sheer volume of season sets printed, I am not to worried about waiting for Dragon Ball and GT. I ignored the blue bricks for Dragon Ball, and the yellow bricks for GT, and will continue to hope Dragon Boxes pan out for those. If not, I'll probably be able to grab the cheaper season sets at a steep discount further down the road.

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Post by Bardo117 » Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:26 pm

james039 wrote:I am not mad at anyone for supporting the orange bricks. The way I see it, Funimation would never have considered doing the Dragon Box release at all if the season sets weren't already selling high volume. That said, I stopped buying the orange bricks as soon as the Dragon Box was announced, and considering the sheer volume of season sets printed, I am not to worried about waiting for Dragon Ball and GT. I ignored the blue bricks for Dragon Ball, and the yellow bricks for GT, and will continue to hope Dragon Boxes pan out for those. If not, I'll probably be able to grab the cheaper season sets at a steep discount further down the road.
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Post by Maphisto86 » Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:14 pm

So by "limited" does that really mean no more production ever after a certain point or just limited stock at any one time? Sorry I have been out of the loop but it seems to be the former case rather than the latter :(. At best this means the singles will be released but somehow I doubt that what with the release of "Dragonball Z Kai" in the west. :| :cry:

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Post by GizmoKSX » Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:19 pm

Maphisto86 wrote:So by "limited" does that really mean no more production ever after a certain point or just limited stock at any one time? Sorry I have been out of the loop but it seems to be the former case rather than the latter :(.
It's a vague term. It implies a limited print run, but we don't know how limited it is. And it could always be re-printed later with just a different serial number, or the same content repackaged. Of course, there's no way of knowing that either.
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Post by Kendamu » Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:42 pm

Maphisto86 wrote:So by "limited" does that really mean no more production ever after a certain point or just limited stock at any one time? Sorry I have been out of the loop but it seems to be the former case rather than the latter :(. At best this means the singles will be released but somehow I doubt that what with the release of "Dragonball Z Kai" in the west. :| :cry:
Yep, it's the former. Even though Z Kai is around now and is the main focus of FUNimation, the Orange Bricks still exist and sell well. Hopefully, after the DBox, there'll be some sort of more economical release of the DBox footage to replace the Orange Bricks. Obviously there's no way to know if that'll happen or not. It's just something to hope for.

If it does happen, it would rock my socks to see the artwork from the singles make an appearance in some capacity. Maybe something splitting it up into seven "Parts" like this:

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I didn't base it on "who is on the cover" as much as what looked like the most exciting covers from major events from the part of the series the set would cover. Well, except the last one.

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Post by OutlawTorn » Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:02 pm

The majority of the covers could be used in a future release, actually. If it was done the same way Viz is releasing the Naruto Shippuden box sets, the sets include three discs (about 13 episodes) in slimcases within the box and each slipcase features the art from the Japanese singles.

So, FUNimation could either simply re-release the same amount of episodes per disc and, due to having fewer discs than the original Dragon Boxes, they would only have to give up a few of the Japanese singles covers. Or, they could release them with the same episode count as the Japanese singles and include every cover.

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Post by Raki » Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:47 am

Levlik wrote: Like, yeah, it's great that the Dragon Boxes are available in the US to begin with, but it's a spit in the face to anyone who paid a pretty fair amount of money on an inferior product without ANY knowledge that the superior one would be coming out mere MONTHS after its completion.
I took it as a loss and kept it moving.
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Post by TheGreatness25 » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:46 am

My theory is the reason why they even made the Season Sets was to try to garner enough money for the Dragon Boxes. It's a pretty smart idea. Toei was being stingy about all things Dragon Ball, so FUNimation probably said, "We already released the entire thing... let's do something different. BUT do it in a way that there would always be something missing that the fans would want, which would make them want the Dragon Boxes when we acquire them later." I can seriously picture them saying that in a business meeting lol There's no way that when they were deciding on the whole Wide Screen thing that they didn't realize what every single DBZ fan thought, that it was a pile of horse crap for them to even suggest that it's a better presentation of the show.

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Post by VegettoEX » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:52 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:There's no way that when they were deciding on the whole Wide Screen thing that they didn't realize what every single DBZ fan thought, that it was a pile of horse crap for them to even suggest that it's a better presentation of the show.
I sincerely believe that they sincerely believed it was a good idea.

And it was. Because it sold. And continues to sell.

Though, of course, it seems to be that the price had all the more to do with it than its presentation ever did...

But that's a pretty old conversation that's only tangentially-related these days. Thankfully we still have Dragon Box 5 on the horizon, and those who want the Dragon Box sets can still head on out and pick 'em up for now. It's fun to theorize about what will come "next" for FUNimation and the DBZ TV series in terms of release and marketing, but if there's one thing I've learned from following them for the last sixteen years or so is that we can't predict anything at all :).
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Post by TheGreatness25 » Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:55 pm

Next for FUNimation will be DBZ in... wait for it... FIRST PERSON VIEW! For the first time ever, see the entire series from first person view from the stars of the show like Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and depends on who ever is fighting! Basically... it just cuts those characters out! I can see Chris Sabat doing the promo for it now.

"Presented for the first time ever in history, it's Dragon Ball Z FIRST PERSON VIEW SET ONE! For the first time ever, see the fights as they were meant to be seen, through the eyes of your favorite heroes!"

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Post by Bardo117 » Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:56 pm

That's impossible to pull off....


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Post by TheGreatness25 » Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:37 am

No, just say that you're looking from the perspective of Goku and just cut him out in all of the shots. Freaking brilliant.

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Post by Saiyajin no Tatsujin » Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:27 am

Damn. If this is true...then, damn! I need to grab Vol. 4 real soon. Not good news at all. :(

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Post by Kakarotto » Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:24 am

I don’t have any of the dragon boxes and I am a little worried. Does any one know why the 2nd dragon box has appeared to be limited? I assume that the 4th dragon box will not be hard to find any time soon but when will 1st or 3rd dragon box be hard to find?
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Post by The Time Traveller » Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:45 am

It's kinda sad to see people missing out on these boxes, but this is Dragon Ball we're talking about, remember when everyone said we'll never get Dragon Boxes?

For all we know, Funimation will re-release them as cheap thinpacks once they're finished.

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Post by pjay » Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:06 pm

Still no under $30 for Dbox vol.4, nuts I promised myself not to pay over $30 because of all the sales that happen with the other volumes. Also it's not my favorite set of episodes, but I do want a complete set. Sorry I'm so cheap :D

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