Is GT REALLY Non-Canon?

[JulieYBM]

Does it really matter if it is canon (or what it is canon to)? None of that will change how you feel, will it?

Why do I get the feeling you think I made this thread with bad intentions? Relax, I'm just creating discussion for a topic that I find interesting. You don't have to post if you think it's pointless.

I'm trying to help you refrain from putting yourself through meaningless grief. I never insinuated anything foul about your intentions.

[Great Saiyaman I]

I kinda just think of GT like another series of Dragonball. While the manga was all one series, GT is like a new series, like a new Power Rangers or the newer Yugioh series. It's not part of the DB manga, but the manga is part of GT. Does anyone get what I'm saying?

[Hellspawn28]

I see view GT as canon to the Anime universe

This makes me rage every time I hear someone say something like this. How is it SUPPOSEDLY canon to an Anime, when the Manga is considered Canon to the Franchise?!

Why can't these two notions co-exist...? The manga is canon to the franchise, and the anime series is non-canon to the franchise.

I was going to say something similar. The anime may be based on the manga, its still its own coummunity afterall.

[Godo]

completely disregarding Majuub

Hey, I'm all for completely disregarding the term "Majuub". Or, if we have to keep it, can I call Captain Ginyu in Goku's body "Capku"?

Okay. I don't know what his "official" name is, unfortunately. But if I call him "The result of the awkward fusion of Oob and Majin Boo", will you be satisfied?

And for the record, Captain Ginyu in Goku's body's real name is "Dupont". He is called so in the never released guidebook "Baka baka no Dragonball torewai Suppa Daizenshuu-sama!", which my friend who knows Toriyama's assistant's wife has in his possession.

[Piccolo Daimao]

completely disregarding Majuub

Hey, I'm all for completely disregarding the term "Majuub". Or, if we have to keep it, can I call Captain Ginyu in Goku's body "Capku"?

Okay. I don't know what his "official" name is, unfortunately. But if I call him "The result of the awkward fusion of Oob and Majin Boo", will you be satisfied?

And for the record, Captain Ginyu in Goku's body's real name is "Dupont". He is called so in the never released guidebook "Baka baka no Dragonball torewai Suppa Daizenshuu-sama!", which my friend who knows Toriyama's assistant's wife has in his possession.

I burst out laughing at that.

[NeoKING]

Does it really matter if it is canon (or what it is canon to)? None of that will change how you feel, will it?

Why do I get the feeling you think I made this thread with bad intentions? Relax, I'm just creating discussion for a topic that I find interesting. You don't have to post if you think it's pointless.

I'm trying to help you refrain from putting yourself through meaningless grief. I never insinuated anything foul about your intentions.

No need to. I'm just a casual fan who enjoys the series. I just thought of an interesting point, is all. Dunno where you get the idea I'm creating this thread out of grief from.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Why do I get the feeling you think I made this thread with bad intentions? Relax, I'm just creating discussion for a topic that I find interesting. You don't have to post if you think it's pointless.

I'm trying to help you refrain from putting yourself through meaningless grief. I never insinuated anything foul about your intentions.

No need to. I'm just a casual fan who enjoys the series. I just thought of an interesting point, is all. Dunno where you get the idea I'm creating this thread out of grief from.

It's GT. It's bound to stir up arguments.

[Godo]

No need to. I'm just a casual fan who enjoys the series. I just thought of an interesting point, is all. Dunno where you get the idea I'm creating this thread out of grief from.

I think what he means is that this thread will lead to grief, not that you created this thread out of grief.
These threads about what is canon and what isn't tend to end pretty unpleasant. Everyone end up trying to push their belief over the canon of Dragonball on other members.

[Great Saiyaman I]

completely disregarding Majuub

Hey, I'm all for completely disregarding the term "Majuub". Or, if we have to keep it, can I call Captain Ginyu in Goku's body "Capku"?

Okay. I don't know what his "official" name is, unfortunately. But if I call him "The result of the awkward fusion of Oob and Majin Boo", will you be satisfied?

Boo and Oob. Boob. An elementary student could figure that out.

[NeoKING]

No need to. I'm just a casual fan who enjoys the series. I just thought of an interesting point, is all. Dunno where you get the idea I'm creating this thread out of grief from.

I think what he means is that this thread will lead to grief, not that you created this thread out of grief.
These threads about what is canon and what isn't tend to end pretty unpleasant. Everyone end up trying to push their belief over the canon of Dragonball on other members.

Oh, well in that case, excuse me while I take my foot out of my mouth...

Though, I don't think it is brought up very often that AT says that GT is DB's side-story(they call this "Word of God," right?) because it is generally assumed to be something "Akira Toriyama had no part in creating."

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Kaboom]

Your opinion is fine and dandy, but "personal canon" based on likes and dislikes is not what the thread is about. I could consider DBM canon, or even my own fanfiction as "canon," but that wouldn't hold for other people.

The original question was asking whether GT was canon or not from as objective a standpoint as possible.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[NeoKING]

Say whatever you want.. but as a huge fan.. I'm going to soak it all in. I love every piece of "Dragon Ball." It's existing footage, therefore it's "Canon." My opinion. I've also stated so, in my first comment. "Dragon Ball GT" will be "Canon" in my book. It's a "Grand Tour," -Side Quest.(Another addition to the series).

It's more as..

-"What would have happened in the far future."

But that's your opinion. I was asking if... Oh, shinobi'd.

There is something disturbingly unique about the way you underline, quote, and bold certain phrases.

[Herms]

Okay. I don't know what his "official" name is, unfortunately. But if I call him "The result of the awkward fusion of Oob and Majin Boo", will you be satisfied?

Well, he's only ever called "Oob" in the original GT series even after his fusion with Boo, like with Piccolo and his mergings with Nail and God. So I don't really see why we need a special name for him, any more than we do with Piccolo. The Funi dub calls him "Majuub" because they apparently don't understand that "majin" is a title or race name, not part of his name proper. So you might as well call Captain Ginyu in Goku's body "Capku", or Cell after absorbing Android No.17 "Celroid", or the hypothetical fusion of Goku and Mister Satan "Goster". It's just a dub name I find particularly absurd, sorry.

[Kendamu]

The manga is canon. It's the source material. The end.

In addition to the manga, my fanon includes certain aspects of the Neko Majin-related stuff, the driving episode, the Jump Special, and the Bardock Special.

If you want to include GT in what you consider canon then be my guest. It won't hurt either of us if that's what you want.

[NeoKING]

If you want to include GT in what you consider canon then be my guest. It won't hurt either of us if that's what you want.

I wonder when it was ever implied it would?

[Freeza Heika]

Simple.

Answer: It's "Canon" to the "Anime," and "Non-Canon" to the "Manga."

It can't be broken down any further,
.... It pretty much comes down to:

You choosing what you want. Are you a person who wants to go by a book? Or do you feel
that the story was brought out more and expressed better through the anime, therefore choosing the route of the
"Animated" version? It's really up to the viewer.

The animated version is inconsistent, within itself. The movies don't fit within the timeline of the TV show. Working a canon around plotholes is silly

-Клああту барадああ にиктω

[Bussani]

Whenever we have these threads about canon, they only serve to convince me that nobody agrees on the term. You get the people who think that the original creator having a hand in something makes it canon; you get the people who think that something being "official" makes it canon; and you get the people who think it's canon because they like it.

The truth is that there aren't strict rules for deciding whether something is canon, and most of the time it doesn't even matter. It's more important to the writers than it is to us, because they need to know what did and didn't happen so they don't cause plotholes. Thus, generally, it's the writers who tell us what is canon. Anyone else can have their "personal canon", but that's meaningless to anyone but themselves. I think JulieYBM was right to ask if it matters; I can only see it mattering if someone wants to know if Toriyama considers it canon and thus would include it in any future Dragon Ball stories he might make.

How is it SUPPOSEDLY canon to an Anime, when the Manga is considered Canon to the Franchise?!

This, to me, is an example of people not understanding canon--or understanding it in a completely different way to me, at least. How can to manga be "canon to the franchise"? That's like saying "the events of the manga and the franchise happen in the same continuity." It makes no sense.

The simple thing that people seem to miss is that something can't just be "canon". There has to be a context--for something to be canon, it has to be canon to someone or to something else. Story A can be canon to story B according to author C, for instance. To over complicate it, sometimes there are franchise canons: Paramount lays out Star Trek's canon pretty clearly so that their writers don't balls things up. Other times there are simple franchises, like...let's see...Avatar: The Last Airbender; if someone talks about Avatar's canon, it's pretty obvious that they must be talking about the series. There just isn't anything else big enough in the franchise to confuse it with, if you see what I mean.

Dragon Ball just isn't that simple. We have the original manga, the slightly different anime, movies, GT, games... Before you can talk about Dragon Ball canon, you need to somehow define it. So asking if GT is canon or not without any context just seems weird to me.

I wonder when it was ever implied it would?

Pardon me for saying so, but I think you're being pretty defensive about all this. I think all Kendamu meant was that it doesn't really matter either way, which is how I feel too.

[NeoKING]

No, it just seemed like instead of getting responses to if Toriyama's comment actually makes GT TECHNICALLY canon, I got "Why did you make this thread? Canon = Nothing we will ever agree on. The manga rules all, now hush." Although, Herms' post actually did help. Anyways, if the thread is useless it must be closed. Mods, do your magic.