Is GT REALLY Non-Canon?

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Godo]

Of course he approved of it. It gave him money. To compliment Toei's work is just a part of that, since they got the rights.
It's simple, yes. But you are thinking of it from a wrong standpoint.
Toriyama's disregard for DBGT is even shown in how he has completely ignored including DBGT in DBO.

[Freeza Heika]

A dream? That's very nice to point out.. Perhaps that could work? .. The problem I'm facing, is figuring out what Akira Toriyama meant by "Side-Story.."

Here's his exact quote:

"DragonBall GT is a grand side-story of the original DragonBall, and it'll make me happy for us to watch and enjoy it together." - Toriyama Akira

- Yeah, he doesn't just say "side-story," he says "grand side-story!"

Now when he said this.. He's probably like, "Oh yeah, I really enjoyed this addition to "Dragon Ball," you guys shouldn't fight over it, instead.. watch it.. so we can enjoy it together! What if he meant this literally? Could this be his sign of approval for GT?

Let's say I wrote "Dragon Ball," and perhaps I was involved with this "GT," and I approved it! What does that mean? It means I give it credit!! It's an official part of the "animated" series. Perhaps it could work it's way around the manga, who knows!

-Is it a dream? Could it be a possibly vision of the future? Not sure, but let's go more in depth..

Side-Story - A side story in fiction is a form of narrative that occurs alongside established stories set within a fictional universe. As opposed to a prequel, sequel, or interquel, a side story takes place within the same time frame as an existing work.

Now I'm not really a "Manga" fan.. However, I like it how he expressed it through a series, with Toei of course.. from that said.. What does he truly mean? I want to know his thoughts on this though..

Toriyama doesn't speak English. So first and foremost, that isn't the exact quote. That is a translation of what may or may not be an exact quote. This quote refers to it as a grand side-story, but what word did Toriyama actually use? Did he mean grand in scope or grand in quality. Or perhaps, just perhaps, he was just being regally Japanese about the whole thing.

And as for Toriyama approving it, I'll approve anything if you give me enough money. I'll give you the ok to burn down my house if you offer me a million dollars.

-Клああту барадああ にиктω

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[dbgtFO]

Of course he approved of it. It gave him money. To compliment Toei's work is just a part of that, since they got the rights.
It's simple, yes. But you are thinking of it from a wrong standpoint.
Toriyama's disregard for DBGT is even shown in how he has completely ignored including DBGT in DBO.

IIRC Toriyama didn't write the story of DBO, he supervised it and approved of it. The other reason for why GT isn't a part of DBO's timeline is that they can only use manga material, as they don't have the license to the anime(which includes GT of course).
Not that I like GT anyways, but I just wanted to point it out.
And as Olivier Hague said, there is no official canon, the correct term would be continuity, if any... I think

[NeoKING]

Exactly. GT wasn't ignored in DBO(and AT did not confirm it never happened), it was prohibited due to licence, I believe. Otherwise there would probably be just as much GT material as there are in the video games.

[Godo]

Okay, fine. I made a boo-boo.

-I don't think that's how it was made out to be. That's really negative to be talking like that don't you think? Nobody really knows the truth about his quote. I think he was being personal about it, therefore.. watching it with all your heart is what it's about anyway! Besides, if I already had money, why would I let someone pay me to write something that major? I mean really, would he put his whole series on stake just for some words, just because he got paid money? I sure wouldn't let my series go up/down like that just because I got paid! lol.

Hell, his job is to make the manga and use his creation to make money. In other words, give permission to movies being produced, and specials and other works.
It's not anything more than a job. He wanted to quit many times but continued anyways. It was about the money.

And about that quote and it's meaning...just check the comment he made about DB Evolution...yep.

[dbgtFO]

And about that quote and it's meaning...just check the comment he made about DB Evolution...yep.

Yeah, I think it fits with Toriyama being camera shy and all, that he is also humble and any statement he makes about DB related media should be taken with a grain of salt, as he probably doesn't want the people who have worked so hard for completing their job to feel unacknowledgedif that's even a word .

[Freeza Heika]

And as for Toriyama approving it, I'll approve anything if you give me enough money. I'll give you the ok to burn down my house if you offer me a million dollars.

-I don't think that's how it was made out to be. That's really negative to be talking like that don't you think? Nobody really knows the truth about his quote. I think he was being personal about it, therefore.. watching it with all your heart is what it's about anyway! Besides, if I already had money, why would I let someone pay me to write something that major? I mean really, would he put his whole series on stake just for some words, just because he got paid money? I sure wouldn't let my series go up/down like that just because I got paid! lol.

I would literally do anything for the appropriate amount of お金. Creo que Toriyama would be similar to min. Si I have already made the 語り種 that I want, then no me importa what anyone else does with mia story. Toriyama clearly wanted to retire and live a relaxing 命根/vida. Why wouldn't he take el dinero that he is offered and 楽む his life?

-Клああту барадああ にиктω

P.S.

Seriously. I'll do anything for enough money. ANYTHING.

[B]

Exactly. GT wasn't ignored in DBO(and AT did not confirm it never happened), it was prohibited due to licence, I believe. Otherwise there would probably be just as much GT material as there are in the video games.

Where did you hear that? I would love to see some record of the team behind DBO stating they would take GT into account if they could. You can't be "prohibited something due to licence" if you never made an actual attempt to use it, which I haven't seen proof of. Are we so desperate to be correct we're making things up now?

[NeoKING]

Exactly. GT wasn't ignored in DBO(and AT did not confirm it never happened), it was prohibited due to licence, I believe. Otherwise there would probably be just as much GT material as there are in the video games.

Where did you hear that? I would love to see some record of the team behind DBO stating they would take GT into account if they could. You can't be "prohibited something due to licence" if you never made an actual attempt to use it, which I haven't seen proof of. Are we so desperate to be correct we're making things up now?

Thank you for ignoring the part where I said "probably."

[Makaioshin]

And as for Toriyama approving it, I'll approve anything if you give me enough money. I'll give you the ok to burn down my house if you offer me a million dollars.

-I don't think that's how it was made out to be. That's really negative to be talking like that don't you think? Nobody really knows the truth about his quote. I think he was being personal about it, therefore.. watching it with all your heart is what it's about anyway! Besides, if I already had money, why would I let someone pay me to write something that major? I mean really, would he put his whole series on stake just for some words, just because he got paid money? I sure wouldn't let my series go up/down like that just because I got paid! lol.

I would literally do anything for the appropriate amount of お金. Creo que Toriyama would be similar to min. Si I have already made the 語り種 that I want, then no me importa what anyone else does with mia story. Toriyama clearly wanted to retire and live a relaxing 命根/vida. Why wouldn't he take el dinero that he is offered and 楽む his life?

-Клああту барадああ にиктω

P.S.

Seriously. I'll do anything for enough money. ANYTHING.

What does $20 dollars get me?

[B]

Thank you for ignoring the part where I said "probably."

You said: "Otherwise there would probably be just as much GT material as there are in the video games."

"Otherwise" implies that your statement about GT's absence of relevance to DBO isn't because of some licensing issue. It's the qualifier, which means you first sentence is a flat out statement. But we are treading on semantics here.

[NeoKING]

Thank you for ignoring the part where I said "probably."

You said: "Otherwise there would probably be just as much GT material as there are in the video games."

"Otherwise" implies that your statement about GT's absence of relevance to DBO isn't because of some licensing issue. It's the qualifier, which means you first sentence is a flat out statement. But we are treading on semantics here.

If it isn't Captain Syntax, Champion of Rhetoric... or vice-versa...

I'll just counter with a generic "You know what I meant."

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

Is Dragon Ball GT really that big of a deal? I can't believe this is even being discussed so heavily.

[NeoKING]

Is Dragon Ball GT really that big of a deal? I can't believe this is even being discussed so heavily.

Who invited Terry Threadkiller here?

Believe it or not... Dragon Ball GT was a series as well, LE GASP!!

[Freeza Heika]

What does $20 dollars get me?

The shorter answer would be to "what WON'T $20 get me".

[SonEric84]

Folks, please cut out the nonsense posts. If you do not have something to bring to the table, you do not have anything worth posting in the first place. There is so much to be discussed in the original topic idea and off-shoots from that... I simply can't comprehend how you can go off-course so badly and have nothing to say.

^^^^ Didn't anyone notice this post?

I think it's fairly obvious we've all decided on what we personally believe GT is considered, so why go back and forth like this? Toriyama's words could be interpreted more than one way and the only one who knows what he meant is the man himself. But given what we've heard from him in the past, it doesn't sound like he's half as emotionally invested in the series anymore (was he ever?) as most of us here are, so I doubt he sees GT as "butchering" his series. It's probably just as he said, GT is a side-story. You either enjoy it for what it is or you don't...and either way there is nothing wrong with that.

[Bussani]

Now when he said this.. He's probably like, "Oh yeah, I really enjoyed this addition to "Dragon Ball," you guys shouldn't fight over it, instead.. watch it.. so we can enjoy it together! What if he meant this literally? Could this be his sign of approval for GT?

Approval and enjoyment have little to do with canon. Just because someone doesn't think GT is canon to the manga doesn't mean they can't enjoy it.

Side-Story - A side story in fiction is a form of narrative that occurs alongside established stories set within a fictional universe. As opposed to a prequel, sequel, or interquel, a side story takes place within the same time frame as an existing work.

See, this definition doesn't fit GT at all. The movies and the specials are side-stories. GT doesn't take place within the existing work. It's a sequel. It ends the story. You can't have a side-story that ends the whole story.

[NeoKING]

He probably views GT in the same vein as the DB novels; expressions of ideas he never really(or wanted to) think of. Though like I said before, Toriyama's comment would make for an interesting "Did you know?" regarding GT's canon(technically speaking) to the source material.

Maybe the thread title gave the wrong idea.... hm.