Is GT REALLY Non-Canon?

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:15 pm

I fail to see what the comment has to do with GT's canonicity at all...

NeoKING · Post by **NeoKING** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:39 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:I fail to see what the comment has to do with GT's canonicity at all...

Akira Toriyama = Manga-ka /creator of source material

Akira Toriyama + GT = HAPPY HAPPY LETS ENJOY

Akira Toriyama: "GT grand side-story of DB." = X

Akira Toriyama = Manga-ka/creator of source material + X(the comment) = Verbal con-fir-ma-tion of GT being a part of source material?

That's the point of this thread: to discuss whether after all these years was GT technically a part of the original/Toriyama-canon(CHRIST, that sounds like an attack).

I would've made this reply using 100% less natural smart ass, but after the three posts you made in this topic contributing nothing, you had it coming.

Post by **TripleRach** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:44 pm

SonEric84 wrote:
VegettoEX wrote:Folks, please cut out the nonsense posts. If you do not have something to bring to the table, you do not have anything worth posting in the first place. There is so much to be discussed in the original topic idea and off-shoots from that... I simply can't comprehend how you can go off-course so badly and have nothing to say.

^^^^ Didn't anyone notice this post?

Apparently not. Seriously, guys, quit with the silliness.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:09 pm

NeoKING wrote:
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:I fail to see what the comment has to do with GT's canonicity at all...
Akira Toriyama = Manga-ka /creator of source material

Akira Toriyama + GT = HAPPY HAPPY LETS ENJOY

Akira Toriyama: "GT grand side-story of DB." = X

Akira Toriyama = Manga-ka/creator of source material + X(the comment) = Verbal con-fir-ma-tion of GT being a part of source material?

That's the point of this thread: to discuss whether after all these years was GT technically a part of the original/Toriyama-canon(CHRIST, that sounds like an attack).

I would've made this reply using 100% less natural smart ass, but after the three posts you made in this topic contributing nothing, you had it coming.

Can I contribute to the topic only if I'm in total agreement with you or something? I'm just saying that it seems like you're only seeing what you want to see, in Toriyama's comment. He simply called it a "Grand side-story." How does that translate to "This is the official continuation of my manga series"? The show barely makes sense as a continuation of the DBZ anime (for instance, it features many movie villians in the Super #17 that couldn't possibly exist, due to continuity errors in the movies). And of course, there's the fact that the villians in hell have bodies still. How can DBGT possibly mesh with Toriyama's manga with all of those anime-exclusive characters and ideas?

And remember, a criticism of Dragon Ball GT is not a personal attack. No need to get so worked up.

NeoKING · Post by **NeoKING** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:32 pm

Because DB itself has like, zero plotholes and inconsistencies.

And I don't see why you couldn't just say all of that instead of trolling "Omg people actually care about GT? Like, why does this thread exists?"

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:47 pm

I never said the thread shouldn't exist, I just think it's silly to debate so heavily about a single statement that Akira Toriyama said. Do you need DBGT to be recognized as canonical to the manga that badly?

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:47 pm

I recall that when this comment by Toriyama first came up, it was being treated as evidence that GT was non-canonical.

When it comes down to it, though... what's it matter?

... *sigh* and why is this thread more dramatic than it needs to be?

NeoKING · Post by **NeoKING** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:56 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:I never said the thread shouldn't exist, I just think it's silly to debate so heavily about a single statement that Akira Toriyama said. Do you need DBGT to be recognized as canonical to the manga that badly?

Fine, fine, end of thread. Don't you just love it when people try to propose some interesting discussion and then other people just kill the entire purpose? Yeah, it's beautiful.

B · Post by B » Sat Nov 06, 2010 8:23 pm

NeoKING wrote:Because DB itself has like, zero plotholes and inconsistencies.

At least they belong to Toriyama. Why in God's name would you willingly invoke Aya Matsui's misunderstanding of the series? Just because you like it?

Zephyr · Post by **Zephyr** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:40 pm

NeoKING wrote:Because DB itself has like, zero plotholes and inconsistencies.

So just because there are preexisting plotholes, more should be welcomed with open arms?

Piccolo Daimaoh · Post by **Piccolo Daimaoh** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:52 pm

NeoKING wrote:Because DB itself has like, zero plotholes and inconsistencies.

Thank you. I was waiting for someone to say this.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:54 pm

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:
NeoKING wrote:Because DB itself has like, zero plotholes and inconsistencies.
Thank you. I was waiting for someone to say this.

It doesn't really change that Dragon Ball GT's are far more prevalent in number and in interference for the fandom.

AnimeMaakuo · Post by **AnimeMaakuo** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:16 pm

B · Post by B » Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:29 pm

He means it is supplementary. Superfluous, secondary, not integral.

AnimeMaakuo · Post by **AnimeMaakuo** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:36 pm

B · Post by B » Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:45 pm

AnimeMaakuo wrote:What do you mean?

- Also.. How can you be so sure that's what he meant?

Not sure how to break it down any simpler than that. It's a Dragon Ball story, but it isn't apart of the Dragon Ball story. It is of lesser "importance" and "relevance."

And I know that's what he meant because I have an incredible knack for "reading comprehension!"

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:53 pm

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:
NeoKING wrote:Because DB itself has like, zero plotholes and inconsistencies.
Thank you. I was waiting for someone to say this.

Why? It doesn't negate anything that I said. The manga universe and the anime universe are two very different things. (For instance, Freeza and Cell vs. Goku in hell couldn't happen in the manga.)

AnimeMaakuo · Post by **AnimeMaakuo** » Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:33 am

Piccolo Daimaoh · Post by **Piccolo Daimaoh** » Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:47 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:Why? It doesn't negate anything that I said.

I wasn't trying to rebut anything you said. I was simply agreeing with NeoKING, in that the Manga also has it's fair share in inconsistencies.

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote: The manga universe and the anime universe are two very different things. (For instance, Freeza and Cell vs. Goku in hell couldn't happen in the manga.)

I wouldn't say "very different". Compared to other Anime, Dragon Ball is really accurate to it's source material.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sun Nov 07, 2010 9:13 am

GT isn't canon to the Manga because it references lots of Anime-exclusive plotlines. Villains having bodies in hell, the existence of the Tuffles, and so on. If you want it to be part of the canon, it cannot be with the Manga. We don't need to argue over a vague statement by the author who probably doesn't care about canon to begin with.

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