Dragon Ball Online Original Story

[Ahiru77]

Was it ever said why Trunks is 'time patrol'? The dude singlehandedly fucked up the timeline so bad even the best of Daizex's sperglords can't untangle it.

1. Goku
2. Vegeta
3. Trunks
4. Gotenks
5. Piccolo

Toriyama drew pictures of the top 5 characters to go along with these poll results (which is how we know about them; they're mentioned in Daizenshuu 1's index), and for the 1995 poll he drew future Trunks rather than kid Trunks, so it seems that even well into the Boo era future Trunks' popularity remained constant. Meanwhile, Gohan fell right off the charts...

Trunks is popular and he travels in time, so he was included just because of that.

YEAH!!!! no. 3 sons a guns!!!!....Way to go Hero of Time.

First is always the main character and Vegeta did A LOT to himself plus obsessed over Goku. It's fine by me.

[HECTOR4]

The problem with that is DBO is absolute shit, therefore it can't be tied to the manga, which is not shit.

DBO respects the spirit of Toriyama most of all the anime together. And it is much more consistent.

DBO is the oficial continuation of the manga

They've made it clear that it's officially a continuation of the manga, but I've never read anywhere that it's an official continuation (canon).

DBO is an official product that continues to the manga, so it's an official continuation of the manga. It is logical.

This. Has Toriyama come out and said: "this is the official continuation of my Manga"? I honestly doubt he would.

Toriyama has created the game as a continuation of the comic. Toriyama has created all the graphics and storyline. Is clearly not the continuation of the anime. If Toriyama created a game that remains strictly the history of his comic book, what is that? Is the continuation of the anime? No, right? So is the continuation of his comic, no doubt.

It is logical. No?

[B]

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Well, can't dispute facts, but the perspective just throws me off. I like all those things about the series, and there is a handful of new stuff.

[Toriyama-sama]

Toriyama has created all the graphics and storyline.

Well, you see, the issue here is that he didn't.

[B]

Toriyama has created all the graphics and storyline.

Well, you see, the issue here is that he didn't.

He supervised it, however. It's akin to film directors not writing the movies they direct. You just say "screw that guy" as if he did nothing?

[Toriyama-sama]

I'm not sure where you're trying to get at. Toriyama didn't have more input in the story than he had in GT. The difference this time is that he approved the game's story, but I don't see how that automatically places it in the same canon as the manga. Besides, that example you gave doesn't even relate to the argument, seing as how Toriyama isn't the director of DBO.

[B]

I'm not sure where you're trying to get at. Toriyama didn't have more input in the story than he had in GT.

How do we know that? He's got to approve almost all details relating to the game, beyond just the story. It's entirely possible he's throwing ideas around that the actual scenario team fleshes out and devolps into actual details.

With GT, we already know he had no story input. It was left entirely up to Toei's staff.

[Toriyama-sama]

No, it wasn't. He did give some ideas about the plot, such as travelling across the Universe looking for the dragon balls. And it's not as if approving all kinds of details for a game will make it manga canon. It is a sequel, obviously, but it's not necessarily the same canon untill Toriyama explicitly says it is.

[Makaioshin]

No, it wasn't. He did give some ideas about the plot, such as travelling across the Universe looking for the dragon balls.

As far as we know he did not. He only gave the designs for the main cast after the time skip, Giru, and some planet designs. Nothing plot related.

[B]

No, it wasn't. He did give some ideas about the plot, such as travelling across the Universe looking for the dragon balls. And it's not as if approving all kinds of details for a game will make it manga canon. It is a sequel, obviously, but it's not necessarily the same canon untill Toriyama explicitly says it is.

First off, no. You're thinking of Toriyama naming GT.

Being a lazy bum by nature, I was absurdly happy when I managed to safely finish up DragonBall's serialization, and finally be released from Deadline Hell. The TV anime people wanted to continue for just a little bit more, but I [just couldn't do] any more than that…And so, I left the DragonBall anime completely up to the anime staff, story and all. That was "DragonBall GT".

In car lingo, GT means "Gran Turismo": a fast, high-powered car, in other words. But in this case, I had GT mean "Grand Touring", a great journey, since the scenario was that they'd be running around the universe.

Nothing in that implies he wrote it, or even offered the idea. We are left to make the very safe assumption that it was Toei's writing staff who conceived the concept of a Dragon Ball Hunt storyline, and asked Toriyama to name the series, no different than asking him to name Z.

And why wouldn't that make it canon? He's giving the okay to everything before it's finalized, meaning what he says goes. You can make a case that you don't like what Toriyama has approved, like Rocketman did, but it's not an argument for continuity.

[Great Saiyaman I]

Rocketman, your reasoning sounds awfully opinion based. The main thing you seem to hate is that it's revisiting the events of the story again. Haven't you said that Kai, a series based solely on reusing old content, with nothing new but clips of animation, "kicks the shit of of the old product"? Yet here you seem to say it can't be a continuation because it sucks, and the reason you say it sucks is because it revisits the story. Also, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it can't be an official continuation. Yes, it's not official yet. I'm just saying it could be.

Now I'm going to sit here quietly and wait for Rocketman to tear me a new one.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Toriyama has created the game as a continuation of the comic. Toriyama has created all the graphics and storyline. Is clearly not the continuation of the anime. If Toriyama created a game that remains strictly the history of his comic book, what is that? Is the continuation of the anime? No, right? So is the continuation of his comic, no doubt.

Toriyama contributed some story elements and character designs to DBO. I acknowledge that. Toriyama had more involvement in DBO than he did in GT. I also acknowledge that. What I'm trying to say here, is that I don't consider DBO to be the continuation of Akira Toriyama's Manga, because the man himself hasn't explicity said so. DBO is a creation of a Korean MMORPG making company, wanting to cash-in on Dragon Ball and getting the creator of the series to help a bit as well. I don't see DBO as being as being a more "official" continuation of the story, than GT.

[Rocketman]

Rocketman, your reasoning sounds awfully opinion based. The main thing you seem to hate is that it's revisiting the events of the story again. Haven't you said that Kai, a series based solely on reusing old content, with nothing new but clips of animation, "kicks the shit of of the old product"? Yet here you seem to say it can't be a continuation because it sucks, and the reason you say it sucks is because it revisits the story.

To use a shaky analogy in place of words...

If Dragonball Z =


Then Z Kai =


And DBO =


(originaltos copyright rock3man do not steel)

[Great Saiyaman I]

I see. Carry on.

[HECTOR4]

It is a sequel, obviously, but it's not necessarily the same canon untill Toriyama explicitly says it is.

For the simple fact of being an official product and continue to manga, DBO is the continuation of the manga. It's that simple. When did the author need to say anything?

What it takes to be a continuation canon of the manga is to be an official product and continue the manga. Nothing more.

From the moment when the author allows a product formally and officially continue the comic, this product becomes official canon continuation of his work.

Toriyama has created all the graphics and storyline.

Well, you see, the issue here is that he didn't.

It has been said in press conferences that Toriyama worked on the game developers as well as NTL. And it was said that all designs are theirs. And it has several important positions within the game. And he oversaw everything.

And it created the term of the Ma Kaioh Shins for this game. It is clear that contributed to the plot.

Toriyama contributed some story elements and character designs to DBO. I acknowledge that. Toriyama had more involvement in DBO than he did in GT. I also acknowledge that. What I'm trying to say here, is that I don't consider DBO to be the continuation of Akira Toriyama's Manga, because the man himself hasn't explicity said so. DBO is a creation of a Korean MMORPG making company, wanting to cash-in on Dragon Ball and getting the creator of the series to help a bit as well. I don't see DBO as being as being a more "official" continuation of the story, than GT.

And DBGT is then created by too incompetent Toei to make money. What is the problem?

DBO is not more official than DBGT, simply DBGT is the continuation of anime and DBO is the continuation of manga. Are different things.

They are also official, but each in their respective media.

[Ahiru77]

This looks so tamed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdmaGwjek4g

We should definitely start a Daizex guild when this gets translated. I would sooo be tempted to pull a Leeroy Jenkins in the Broly mission though.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

This looks so tamed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdmaGwjek4g

We should definitely start a Daizex guild when this gets translated. I would sooo be tempted to pull a Leeroy Jenkins in the Broly mission though.

...there won't be any Broli mission, the game is based off the manga. -.-

[SonEric84]

A little off the main topic..but I really love the BGM in that video. It feels like a song from FF Tactics for some reason though. A Daizex guild would be great fun.

Can't we just take the game/story for what it is and not be so worried about if it's canon or not?

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

And DBGT is then created by too incompetent Toei to make money. What is the problem?

DBO is not more official than DBGT, simply DBGT is the continuation of anime and DBO is the continuation of manga. Are different things.

They are also official, but each in their respective media.

Your poor English is making it difficult to have a discussion. Yes, GT and DBO are "official continuations" in the sense that they aren't unlicensed products. But they are not "official continuations" in the sense that they are what Akira Toriyama intended as sequels to his Manga. Unless he says otherwise, this is the stance that I'm taking.

[Senzu_Bean]

Akira Toriyama has being working in DBO for over 5 years. The game is boiling with ideas and designs that only the man could have created. Yet people still put it in the same canon plateau as DBGT. I can't understand this...